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Interview with Avi[ReV] - Part 1 - Page 2

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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
February 07 2020 15:18 GMT
#21
On February 07 2020 23:45 Q~Bert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2020 23:32 Comedy wrote:
On February 07 2020 21:05 Qikz wrote:
I've argued with you about this before Avi, but I think it's perfectly reasonable that some people are able to understand something and not execute it. That's why coaches exist. There's coaches in sports or even eSports that have never played the game and they still have a deep understanding.

Just because you can't do something doesn't mean you can't understand the theory. I am far from a genius, but I definitely feel my understanding is way above the MMR I sit at and that's because I spend hours watching games/reading up on theory and what not. I just suck at actually playing the game itself. I don't know what you feel about my knowledge of the game, maybe you think I know jack shit and that's fair enough I guess :D

Great interview, can't wait for Part 2 Incomplete!


you are right, but when you are actually playing the games (many many games), there are so many different things that you feel while you are playing, little movements and mind games between you and your opponent, that it is extremely difficult to really know what it is like to play high level games untill you actually do it yourself.


Precisely. Being able to watch/cast games and seemingly understanding the position and builds/timings while having full vision of the map is not even in the same galaxy. And to reference the above's point on mind games and little movements (tactics) - these are very real and paramount variables in higher level games. Now to take into account analyzing all of this information (not including the psychological warfare when playing an opponent you have history with) in real time with fog of war and still maintaining your macro is a different animal. Even I can understand why pros are making the decisions they are making when watching an FPVOD, because I can devote everything to just watching rather than 300 apm.


Ah, I think I missunderstood Avi's point. I thought he meant it was impossible to have an understanding of the game better than your execution. When you're playing I think understanding even involves what to do when which is something I am awful at, but I think when casting/watching I think it's quite a bit easier to understand and analyse.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 15:53:27
February 07 2020 15:52 GMT
#22
i dont understand your point. the game is an incomplete information game. it’s relatively trivial to analyze with full map vision. thinking that you have any understanding when you’re awful in-game is like thinking you understand poker if you can see everyone’s cards. you dont know the basic framework for decision making, and wont be able to parse anything beyond the most superficial interactions between players

how is this still something that needs to be explained in 2020
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
February 07 2020 16:14 GMT
#23
its equally dumb to watch a soccer game and think u could be in there scoring if u just had a better physique, because u know that all u have to do is displace the ball behind the other guys and place it into the rectangle

the actual execution of that concept, e.g. weaving between defenders, introduces massive complexity and even more decisions. whats ur path? what are this guy's tendencies? is he off balance? who's open? if uve never been there and never had to make all those tiny decisions in rapid succession, ull never even realize that they exist
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SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
February 07 2020 17:00 GMT
#24
Good interview

"tomfoolery" was used in a sentence
TT1
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Canada10011 Posts
February 07 2020 17:46 GMT
#25
twitch chat wanted u to go mutas vs 2 base goons?? ajaja xdd
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United States43203 Posts
February 09 2020 21:06 GMT
#26
Anyone who doesn’t believe that segregated communities leads to MMR inflation would do well to remember the quality of foreigners hitting A- in TSL2 playing only foreigners.
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