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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 17 2018 05:54 GMT
#161
On March 16 2018 05:49 EndingLife wrote:
People who say Sky sucked obviously didn't watch him play much. His style was highly micro intensive, he was always underrated and he was the most entertaining Protoss player I've ever watched play the game.
Sadly.. Mini is now my new favorite.


Yea, he was definitely entertaining...and one of the best protosses I've ever seen at "bullshitting" wins. He'd win games that he had absolutely no business winning.

Needs to go if matchfixing...but I'm bummed ;(
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 17 2018 09:50 GMT
#162
On March 17 2018 14:42 jinjin5000 wrote:
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On March 16 2018 20:34 Qikz wrote:
I do wonder just how much pressure - both physical and mental these illegal betting groups run by the mafia put on the people they get involved with them.


If you were grabbed ahold by matchfixing broker and then pressured to do it, id imagine it was huge, but money involved was huge as well

The money is way too good. You matchfix, get that initial small amount, then bet on yourself across multiple betting sites, then tell your friends to bet for you and take cuts from there.

Imagine the scale of profit- and when you get caught, you "return" to normal society and pay only a small fine (comparitively) and winnings


Still jinjin, you forget that these are people who skipped places of education to get into progaming and progaming is all they really know how to do. It can't be easy to go back to normal society after progaming, that's why a lot of players end up casters and other things in eSports.
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heyitsMiro
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
83 Posts
March 17 2018 10:34 GMT
#163
On March 16 2018 19:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
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On March 15 2018 17:36 GTR wrote:
On March 15 2018 17:31 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
While this is terrible news i'd love to see a game where both players try to throw.


actually happened



This makes me rage so bad. I was the biggest fan and at that time seeing Savior's reactions i thought he was just being mentally troubled due to not being dominate anymore (like not being happy after winning games). Now knowing true reasons for those troubles i cant hold myself. What a disgrace.


Is there any source for this? I was almost 100% certain the story was savior acted as an enabler or a connection and didn't actually participate in the match fixing.
SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
March 17 2018 13:04 GMT
#164
On March 17 2018 18:50 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 14:42 jinjin5000 wrote:
On March 16 2018 20:34 Qikz wrote:
I do wonder just how much pressure - both physical and mental these illegal betting groups run by the mafia put on the people they get involved with them.


If you were grabbed ahold by matchfixing broker and then pressured to do it, id imagine it was huge, but money involved was huge as well

The money is way too good. You matchfix, get that initial small amount, then bet on yourself across multiple betting sites, then tell your friends to bet for you and take cuts from there.

Imagine the scale of profit- and when you get caught, you "return" to normal society and pay only a small fine (comparitively) and winnings


Still jinjin, you forget that these are people who skipped places of education to get into progaming and progaming is all they really know how to do. It can't be easy to go back to normal society after progaming, that's why a lot of players end up casters and other things in eSports.



yeah to most people being a starcraft progamer is like having the best job in the world. but it is not true. you skipped on a college degree, so you really can’t have flexibility in terms of work after your progaming years. Especially if you’re not a top
tier starcraft player.

If we’re looking from Sky’s perspective, matchfixing (really sad) would make perfect sense. he’s not a top tier player and there’s no way he can make it deep on asl5. so maybe he thought it was the way to make more money
SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
March 17 2018 13:10 GMT
#165
I found a link wherein stork,sea and larva got together. I think they were talking about the incident. how I wish live CC/subs is a working invention right now
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1426 Posts
March 21 2018 15:57 GMT
#166
On March 17 2018 22:10 Kawal wrote:
I found a link wherein stork,sea and larva got together. I think they were talking about the incident. how I wish live CC/subs is a working invention right now https://youtu.be/ce_bz1_sC3Q


I did translate sc2 portion of it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532108-stork-on-how-sc2-match-fixing-happened

Keep in mind these old progamers all had matchfixing classes and training from kespa days

SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
March 25 2018 15:19 GMT
#167
On March 22 2018 00:57 jinjin5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 22:10 Kawal wrote:
I found a link wherein stork,sea and larva got together. I think they were talking about the incident. how I wish live CC/subs is a working invention right now https://youtu.be/ce_bz1_sC3Q


I did translate sc2 portion of it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532108-stork-on-how-sc2-match-fixing-happened

Keep in mind these old progamers all had matchfixing classes and training from kespa days




thank you so much jinjin5000! now I understand what they said
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 28 2018 10:12 GMT
#168
On March 22 2018 00:57 jinjin5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 22:10 Kawal wrote:
I found a link wherein stork,sea and larva got together. I think they were talking about the incident. how I wish live CC/subs is a working invention right now https://youtu.be/ce_bz1_sC3Q


I did translate sc2 portion of it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532108-stork-on-how-sc2-match-fixing-happened

Keep in mind these old progamers all had matchfixing classes and training from kespa days


Thanks! That was an interesting read
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
523 Posts
March 28 2018 15:08 GMT
#169
On March 17 2018 13:36 youngjiddle wrote:
the sad thing is that these are grown men now doing this.

I would be a little more forgiving when it was a teenager like life, or other new talent entering other esports...

how pathetic brood war players are!

User was temp banned for this post.


It is sad, because they're in a position where they have presumably very little savings, earnings, and potential for earnings without either training or education.

Cheating is unforgivable, and a shitty option considering their pride and integrity is the only valuable thing left. But just consider why this is happening even now.

There will always be incentives to cheat, when the original scandal happened there was so much criticism centered around the moral failure of the cheaters, but not enough leveled at the organizational and structural failures that allowed and encouraged the match fixing to occur.

Pro gaming isn't free. These are people who are making very real sacrifices to their lives and they need something to show for it.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 28 2018 16:52 GMT
#170
Stork said he himself got an offer to matchfix during his progaming days, when he was at his height from someone he personally knows by phone. Stork said the offer was larger than his month's salary (thousands of dollars), but he immediately cut his friend off, and told his team of the situation

Good for Stork! I wonder how many other programers have a similar story. I find hearing about that a lot more encouraging. If you retell stories like that enough, players won't hesitate or be confused about what they need to do.
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
March 29 2018 09:06 GMT
#171
Ugh as if the scene hasn't suffered enough recently.
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HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 13:34:06
March 29 2018 13:22 GMT
#172
Edit: wrong thread -_-
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