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Hikki_Hibiki1
12 Posts
On December 05 2017 01:05 digmouse wrote: If it's some random Chinese player, sure. But this is one of the best Chinese Protoss players in BW and a legendary old school foreigner, dude deserves some respect. You'd think one of the best players would be able to beat someone playing with their foot then, huh? | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1779 Posts
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Chrysanthemum
55 Posts
What does amaze me is the level of vitriol we’re seeing in the defenses put forward for Larva by various people in this thread and elsewhere. The most common seems to be that Larva’s antics made the series more entertaining and that Lx would have lost anyways. Well, no shit? What’s that got to do with whether it was rude or insulting or offensive? Larva does these things on his stream all the time, but that’s a different context than doing it in a livecasted LAN showmatch where *everyone* knows he is the overwhelming favorite and where he has basically been given a free trip to the US to be handed a $10k check. Another is "maybe Lx should have won if he didn't like it" or "maybe Lx should get good instead of crying." Again...???? What's that got to do with whether it was insulting or rude? It seems incredibly difficult for some people to hold these two ideas in their mind simultaneously: that what Larva did was rude, but that they also found it entertaining. I guess the conclusion that follows--that you enjoyed something that many found to be meanspirited--is too much to admit? Therefore Larva was entirely justified and there is no issue whatsoever despite the objective fact that there seems to be a 50/50 split between that opinion and the opinion that it was rude and insulting? (and again--it doesn't need to be a split, because the two ideas can exist simultaneously). Come on. I honestly feel like if you can’t see this you’re either still a teenager who’s never had to interact in the adult world or you’re the kind of person who is completely socially oblivious and is a pain in the ass for those in your social orbit. | ||
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Hikki_Hibiki1
12 Posts
On December 05 2017 01:58 ICanFlyLow wrote: Do korean progamers have some idea that when they go overseas they can do whatever stupid thing they want? it's a video game showmatch dude | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:03 Chrysanthemum wrote: I think it’s pretty much inarguable that what Larva did was rude and disrespectful given that his opponent was not in on the joke. It’s patently obvious that it will be insulting in these circumstances. I don’t think Larva was being malicious, but it really reflects poorly on his self-judgment that this wasn’t apparent to him. What does amaze me is the level of vitriol we’re seeing in the defenses put forward for Larva by various people in this thread and elsewhere. The most common seems to be that Larva’s antics made the series more entertaining and that Lx would have lost anyways. Well, no shit? What’s that got to do with whether it was rude or insulting or offensive? Larva does these things on his stream all the time, but that’s a different context than doing it in a livecasted LAN showmatch where *everyone* knows he is the overwhelming favorite and where he has basically been given a free trip to the US to be handed a $10k check. Another is "maybe Lx should have won if he didn't like it" or "maybe Lx should get good instead of crying." Again...???? What's that got to do with whether it was insulting or rude? It seems incredibly difficult for some people to hold these two ideas in their mind simultaneously: that what Larva did was rude, but that they also found it entertaining. I guess the conclusion that follows--that you enjoyed something that many found to be meanspirited--is too much to admit? Therefore Larva was entirely justified and there is no issue whatsoever despite the objective fact that there seems to be a 50/50 split between that opinion and the opinion that it was rude and insulting? (and again--it doesn't need to be a split, because the two ideas can exist simultaneously). Come on. I honestly feel like if you can’t see this you’re either still a teenager who’s never had to interact in the adult world or you’re the kind of person who is completely socially oblivious and is a pain in the ass for those in your social orbit. Guy below you summed you up perfectly, "itz just a game dood" /s | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Hikki_Hibiki1
12 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:09 konadora wrote: still dont understand why legend is so butthurt when this was a showmatch A lot of people seem to be under the impression that this was some serious starleague and not just a fun "final boss" type showmatch mini-tournament at the end of a live event. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 05 2017 01:58 ICanFlyLow wrote: Do korean progamers have some idea that when they go overseas they can do whatever stupid thing they want? Hmm I see TONS of americans doing just that here in korea. Ofc not only americans, but I rarely meet people from other countries, so I can't really know. Most people do not have much respect when they travel tbh. | ||
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CoL_DarkstaR
Germany649 Posts
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digmouse
China6333 Posts
Video games dude. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Hikki_Hibiki1
12 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:38 digmouse wrote: If some of you don't think putting your literal foot on the table in a match, when your opponent literally sits a couple feet from you isn't a serious insult and doesn't deserve an apology then OK. Video games dude. Idk, maybe it's just because I'm really into fighting games but that doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:49 Hikki_Hibiki1 wrote: Idk, maybe it's just because I'm really into fighting games but that doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. Some fighting games and Smogon Pokemon are the only grassroots gaming communities left. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
If a Norwegian player did this to a Swedish player then props to him, maybe I'd be angry, not just laugh at it but I can't see why it shouldn't be up to the players to play anyway they like. BW is more than just gameplay, also a mental game. Getting into your opponents head is also a part of it just like in boxing or Chess. I'm thinking it must be a cultural thing. Is it? How's the relationship between South Korea and China? How do the players feel about eachother? I know that Koreans take great pride in their nation etc. Same thing in China, Is that playing a big part here? | ||
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HansenZ
49 Posts
Why Zotac invite Legend from China? It's not because of his skills, it's because of the huge China gaming market. After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure. Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy. Let's see what will happen Larva just put Zotac in a shitty position right now. Nice Job! | ||
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EightEthans
5 Posts
Second, as everyone said, Larva should get permission to do these things. Think about it, if Zach Galifianakis didn't communicate or inform those scripts(mostly insults) to his guest, will any guest attend the show Between Two Ferns With Zach Galifianakis? Feet on the table is a terrible manner in Asian culture. It is a way to insult others by all means. Just like Legend says, Larva can use anything in-game to show off, like massing nuke. but feet? no. If you want to perform this kind of insulting to make the match entertain you should communicate with your opponent first. Zotac's CEO is a big fan of Starcraft in China and I am curious what he will do next. | ||
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HansenZ
49 Posts
1.对韩国选手LARVA在比赛进行中做出的不文明行为，索泰官方对此持零容忍态度，对于此事给现场电竞选手Legend罗贤带来的困扰，以及给场外电竞粉丝带来的不愉快观赛体验，索泰官方郑重地向@罗贤999 本人致歉，也向关注此事的所有粉丝与媒体致歉！ 2.韩国选手LARVA的不文明行为确为其本人临时突发，并未提前报备主办方知悉，所谓“该行为征得主办方同意”的不实言论对ZOTAC索泰也造成了严重的困扰，关于这一点我们已与该选手进行了严肃沟通。我们承诺在此后的比赛中将加强赛场监管，杜绝类似事件的再次发生！ 3.针对此事ZOTAC索泰官方最终决定： 正式禁止韩国选手LARVA参与由ZOTAC索泰主办的任何ZOTAC CUP赛事！同时也郑重承诺，不会邀请任何拥有类似行为前科的职业或者非职业选手参加ZOTAC CUP索泰杯赛事，为净化电竞赛场，ZOTAC索泰将认真采纳所有理性建议！ 4.ZOTAC索泰官方非常、非常希望韩国选手LARVA就其本人赛场上的不文明行为，向其对战选手Legend罗贤公开道歉！ 最后，由ZOTAC索泰主办的ZOTAC CUP赛事创办已有十年历程，我们始终秉承着积极、文明、拼搏的核心电竞精神，旨在为广大电竞爱好者带来最纯粹的电竞体验。十年来，ZCUP索泰杯赛事承办过数千场比赛，其中从未发生过类似的不文明赛场行为，对此次突发事件我们深表歉意，也感谢所有网友的批评监督，纯净的电竞氛围是我们共同的期望！ 索泰将始终坚持与玩家们站在统一战线，致力于打造更好的游戏显卡产品，更致力于为所有的电竞选手以及粉丝，带来更多更精彩更完美的赛事！ | ||
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HansenZ
49 Posts
Zotac apologizes to Legend. And Larva lied on getting permission to do that. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
The game goes on a bit and Legend attacks again, this time Larva has 2 sunkens and enough lings, but it's still kinda 50\50 fight. When it becomes super fucking clear the attack has failed, Larva places his foot on the keyboard, presses A couple of times, presses S+D, end of game, end of story. The whole sequence: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/206578876?t=36m15s | ||
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