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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On December 04 2017 16:12 outscar wrote: Who the fuck is Incontrol so Larva should ask permission? Was he around when BW was dying and all those pros were teamless participating, streaming 24/7 to live? No! I'm just gonna put it right here: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/t9ltUIe.jpg) On December 04 2017 17:32 outscar wrote: Larva didn't want and aim to disrespect Legend and/or chinese players in any way. I don't understand why you're getting so offended. Even if I was chinese and even if he was doing these things to my favourite player I maybe will upset but don't instantly start hating on him. He was just trying to make it entartaining for everyone, it's his style if you watch his stream. And if you read Jaeyun's post above Larva told that he's showman and he's doing all stuns to satisfy his fans. So calling his fans retarded and shitting on him stupidity. So, if I understand correctly, you don't understand how people are offended by Larva's behavior, but you're offended by Incontrol's interview? Did I get that about right?  | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:25 opisska wrote: I didn't follow this at all, but I was told that despite of anything he has done for show, this Larva guy actually won, right? In such a case, this is completely stupid and the loser of the match should just suck it up. Lol of course he won. He is a top tier ASL pro vs a much older retired player. He could of won with one hand tied behind his back. Something he did for a bit lol. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
https://go.twitch.tv/zotac_cup/videos/all | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:41 MindBreaker wrote: Lol of course he won. He is a top tier ASL pro vs a much older retired player. He could of won with one hand tied behind his back. Something he did for a bit lol. Well I would have thought that one of the reason top tier players are top tier is their top tier usage of hands  But this really shows how big is the gap between top pros and everyone in BW! Anyway the point was, that if he had lost, that would be kinda questionable, because it would be essentially throwing the game, which is bad even for a showmatch. But I don't really understand why he is getting punished for winning like this if he is able of that. Yeah, some people are offended, the usual business - are people ever gonna realize that them being offended is just their problem and nobody else's? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:48 Wintex wrote: I don't think there would be 1 reaction if he did it to one of the other foreigners. It's just the chinese honor culture that makes it way more extra. It's honestly too good tho. If you lose to toes and nukes, it's a god damn shame, but it's a showmatch and nothing more. Or if he was Korean, people would get offended for giving too much of an aggressive interview. I think this narrative of "it's because he's Chinese" has to stop. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:44 opisska wrote: Well I would have thought that one of the reason top tier players are top tier is their top tier usage of hands But this really shows how big is the gap between top pros and everyone in BW! Anyway the point was, that if he had lost, that would be kinda questionable, because it would be essentially throwing the game, which is bad even for a showmatch. But I don't really understand why he is getting punished for winning like this if he is able of that. Yeah, some people are offended, the usual business - are people ever gonna realize that them being offended is just their problem and nobody else's? The crux of the argument is that supposedly he didn’t have permission to mess around like that. And at the end of the day rude and disrespectful behavior will always be looked down on (as it should be) but in larva’s defense I really don’t think he intended it as such. He was just trying to make a fun end to the event for the viewers. Unfortunately that had to come at legends expense | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1555 Posts
this is pretty frustrating moment right now. I will explain few hours from now Just look what country zotac is from and you will understand | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:50 aQuaSC wrote: Say what you want about ZOTAC's response, I'm not taking sides but outright ban feels like an overreaction, but how on earth you can think that what Larva did was not insulting? It was the biggest insult in any gaming competition I've ever seen (maybe I didn't see enough?). It was a SHOWMATCH, not a competition. Showmatches are there to have fun and goof around. That's how it was always been. Look at the all star proleague events, same concept. You think you would invite a famous streamer and expect him to play seriously without any showmanship from a streamer known for this kinds of stuff? If he were to do this in ASL, this would be a different story. What is more embarassing are the people making it out as the worst insult in human history. | ||
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s_k_911
China362 Posts
I see. korea web inven say: it is a permisstioned show. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:50 MindBreaker wrote: The crux of the argument is that supposedly he didn’t have permission to mess around like that. And at the end of the day rude and disrespectful behavior will always be looked down on (as it should be) but in larva’s defense I really don’t think he intended it as such. He was just trying to make a fun end to the event for the viewers. Unfortunately that had to come at legends expense No thats not the crux. We do not know if Larva just misunderstood what kind of shenaningans he would be allowed to. There are various degrees of BM. Rude and disrespectul behavior should always looked down up? Yeah apparently it doesn't apply to FBH or JD hatchery bm. If savior did a statement like Lx after FBH danced around like that, FBH would have gotten the same reaction Larva receives (and it was in a serious tournament, not this showmatch tournament). It rather depends on how the receiving end reacts to it. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:50 aQuaSC wrote: Say what you want about ZOTAC's response, I'm not taking sides though an outright ban feels like an overreaction, but how on earth you can think that what Larva did was not insulting? It was the biggest insult in any gaming competition I've ever seen (maybe I didn't see enough?). Yeah even for a showmatch it probably was a bit much, but the organizers didn't say anything after he played the first game, or the second, or when he finished the third. Telling him to relax a bit and stop going so hard on legend could have improved the situation instead of creating so many problems. I don't feel like the organizers thought it was a problem before Legend whined to the chinese twitterscape. | ||
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Therapist.
United States207 Posts
Gonna get mad if Larva beats you with his feet? Well, don't let him beat you with his feet, then! It can hardly be argued that Larva violated the integrity of the match, since he won all 3 games, so I don't see what problem there could possibly be. Gotta be a little more thick skinned and recognize when someone completely outclasses you, in my opinion. I don't think anyone in that tournament could reasonably be going up against Larva and expect to win. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:48 Wintex wrote: I don't think there would be 1 reaction if he did it to one of the other foreigners. It's just the chinese honor culture that makes it way more extra. It's honestly too good tho. If you lose to toes and nukes, it's a god damn shame, but it's a showmatch and nothing more. The "Chinese culture" argument doesn't make any sense either. I am all for the Chinese people's right to have any culture they want (as long as it is remotely compatible with basic human rights) - but that just means that they are supposed to act like that. You can't just say "my culture is that I get a benefit X" and then expect people to give you this benefit - in this case not making fun of you. It just doesn't make any sense. It's actually pretty interesting that we have the same problem in the West (with so many offense-taking groups) as they have in the East, shows how the human nature is universal. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1555 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 04 2017 23:54 duke91 wrote: It was a SHOWMATCH, not a competition. Showmatches are there to have fun and goof around. That's how it was always been. Look at the all star proleague events, same concept. You think you would invite a famous streamer and expect him to play seriously without any showmanship from a streamer known for this kinds of stuff? If he were to do this in ASL, this would be a different story. What is more embarassing are the people making it out as the worst insult in human history. To me it's just a matter of what it's called, I'm used to calling a match between two invited people a showmatch, the main event and the 'showmatch' could have names switched and it wouldn't matter since both were looking like a regular tournament, but whatever. Not trying to be embarassing or anything, I just think it was pretty insulting and I've never seen anything like it, pre/post-match bm or ceremonies are usual thing but I personally have little respect for "showmanship" of that kind, doing that and making up an excuse like "I wanted to make some fun for viewers" is like intentionally spitting on someone and saying that you had a bad taste in your mouth and well you stood in a bad spot at a bad time dude sry (well maybe it's me who's overreacting now :D I hope you get what I mean though) | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 05 2017 00:08 jinjin5000 wrote: apparently incontrol was angry at larva according to larva :thinking: Shouldn't be surprising, just watch the interview and you can see how mad he is. I know if I were legends I would feel very embarrassed/shit with what happened during his matches with Larva. That being said, Larva didn't get talked to after doing it in game 1 and there were no written rules about stuff like this. So while rude (although I found it funny at times as a viewer), I don't think Larva deserves a ban. I don't see Larva playing in any Zotac cups anyway as i'd be surprised if there were anymore big BW tournaments that a Korean can play in, but non the less I think it's a over reaction. Fun event and was fun watching Artosis/Tasteless/Day9/Incontrol casting the BW event. | ||
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