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Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
December 04 2017 10:47 GMT
#81
Haha, the drama! Take it easy guys. It's an insult, but you should take it by competing harder, and not by crying like a baby.
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2109 Posts
December 04 2017 11:27 GMT
#82
Larva made Legend lose face not in private but a public stream broadcasted to the world. This is one of the most wrong and worst things you can do in chinese and i think asian cultures to a large extend. Public humiliation is a big no in chinese culture. Imo i find it disrespectful of Larva everything considered.
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 11:36:21
December 04 2017 11:36 GMT
#83
Prediction on the progamer incidents thread in 10 years.

GTR will mention this
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10627 Posts
December 04 2017 11:39 GMT
#84
On December 04 2017 19:45 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 17:55 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
On December 04 2017 17:00 Jaeyun wrote:
Me and Hawk witnessed him shoving us aside and turning into a dragoon going on all fours all of the sudden and we were like what the hell.


larva #1


Taiwan #1

oh no now you've done it. Here come the screaming tears of "CAO NI MA"
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
December 04 2017 11:48 GMT
#85
Now that i rewatched the whole thing i gotta say it is disrespectful. HOWEVER i have one big concern: the whole tournament was set up in a very very disappointing way. I cannot understand how Zotac sponsors a tournament with people just goofing around (seriously, there were times when 90% of the commentary was off topic for hours, what the hell?) and turns SC:BW into a circus show.

Yes, there were some great games and yes Larva did some foolish things, but the whole tournament was set up like this. Overall i cannot think this will attract sponsors and it seriously put SC:BW as the most serious esport in a questionable light. We sure don't want ASL/OSL or whatever to turn into this, right? BW used to be the exact opposite. I love some random stuff from time to time, but please keep the game itself professional. This is what set the korean scene apart.

Just my two cents.
Invidentia
Profile Joined July 2013
Denmark30 Posts
December 04 2017 12:07 GMT
#86
On December 04 2017 20:48 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
Now that i rewatched the whole thing i gotta say it is disrespectful. HOWEVER i have one big concern: the whole tournament was set up in a very very disappointing way. I cannot understand how Zotac sponsors a tournament with people just goofing around (seriously, there were times when 90% of the commentary was off topic for hours, what the hell?) and turns SC:BW into a circus show.

Yes, there were some great games and yes Larva did some foolish things, but the whole tournament was set up like this. Overall i cannot think this will attract sponsors and it seriously put SC:BW as the most serious esport in a questionable light. We sure don't want ASL/OSL or whatever to turn into this, right? BW used to be the exact opposite. I love some random stuff from time to time, but please keep the game itself professional. This is what set the korean scene apart.

Just my two cents.


There is absolutely zero chance of ASL/OSL turning into this. Not even flash can beat the korean competition playing like this...
JaeyunSC
Profile Joined October 2017
3 Posts
December 04 2017 12:30 GMT
#87
On December 04 2017 17:19 LaStScan wrote:

I saw some of your games in the tournament. Did you study 6 min spire that i've always mentioned on stream? I know sometimes you were in the stream channel in the past.


Hi Scan! Yes but it was hard to muta at all in an offline tournament Nerves, not used to computers, settings, etc. I was really tired when it got to the second game as well but well played by Kawaii nonetheless.
s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China363 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 13:27:22
December 04 2017 13:13 GMT
#88
http://overseas.weico.cc/share/11154554.html?weibo_id=4181325612729298


https://weibo.com/zotac?is_all=1#_rnd1512393382616


zotac official report.

zotac officially say "larva get permisstion of his action " is not true.
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 04 2017 13:17 GMT
#89
On December 04 2017 21:30 JaeyunSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 17:19 LaStScan wrote:

I saw some of your games in the tournament. Did you study 6 min spire that i've always mentioned on stream? I know sometimes you were in the stream channel in the past.


Hi Scan! Yes but it was hard to muta at all in an offline tournament Nerves, not used to computers, settings, etc. I was really tired when it got to the second game as well but well played by Kawaii nonetheless.


I enjoyed watching you at ZOTAC. I love you.
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FoR_BlueS
Profile Joined December 2017
New Zealand21 Posts
December 04 2017 13:33 GMT
#90
I think the issue here is that LX is an old retired veteran who is simply looking for some fun in a nostalgic way. It isn't realistic to demand players from any country other than Korea to actually "get good" to reach Korean professional levels without an established tradition of progamers and practice environments, not to mention that the skill level of any player would decrease dramatically after they hit around 27-28, as this is the age where the brain starts to slowly deteriorate. Larva probably did it as a means of entertainment and probably didn't mean to humiliate his opponent, but there are certainly more mature, respectful and responsible ways to do that, such as drawing a heart on the minimap with missile turrets or something. I'm sure LX would laugh and give Larva a pat on the back if he drew a heart with command centres flying into LX's base.
The cynical reactions from many Westerners also reveal a concerning issue for the BW environment, our environment should be built upon honour and respect, reacting angrily to immature and disrespectful behaviour doesn't make anyone a "butthurt snowflake", it at most shows that they have a bit of compassion and respect. I'm pretty sure American players, or in my case, NZ players, would react in rage if our top player was humiliated in a live tournament. After all, players are still human beings with dignity, having more free time to practice (hence having more "skill") doesn't give anyone the right to publicly humiliate another player, no more than how having more money doesn't make you a better person.
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s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China363 Posts
December 04 2017 13:43 GMT
#91
On December 04 2017 22:33 FoR_BlueS wrote:
I think the.....


Lx birthday = Sep.7th,1984
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
December 04 2017 13:47 GMT
#92
Thats why i dont like larva antics. He was making himself looking and doing miserable things on strea, i thought he cannot become a popular streamer. It apeared that people in korea really enjoyed that retarded behavior and he became one of the top streamers. I was like "WTF, are the most retarded people in korea on afreeca?" So now we can see how this infantile insolence attitude doesnt fit well in real life, and why people need to stop supporting it? Larva extreme cases of "craziness" was always annoying and irritiating to me, i tried to find the fun in it but it was just miserable thing to watch.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Icarus2
Profile Joined March 2017
China109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 13:49:54
December 04 2017 13:49 GMT
#93
On December 04 2017 22:13 s_k_911 wrote:
http://overseas.weico.cc/share/11154554.html?weibo_id=4181325612729298


https://weibo.com/zotac?is_all=1#_rnd1512393382616


zotac official report.

zotac officially say "larva get permisstion of his action " is not true.


Rough Translation:
On Dec. 4, at Zotac Cup Masters SC:R International showmatches held by Zotac and Blizzard Entertainment, Korean Progamer Larva did something seemed to be humiliating his opponent. With regard to this accident, we announced things as follows:

  1. What Larva did in the match is very rude, Zotac will not stand for this. For the embarrassment Larva brought to Legend and his fans, Zotac will apologize to Legend and all the fans and media concerning this accident officially.
  2. What Larva did in the match has nothing to do with Zotac, nor did he tell the organizer in advance. What he said 'the organizer permitted this' is definitely not true and brought about trouble to us, we had a thorough conversation with the player on this. We promise we will improve regulation during the matches, in case something happens next time.
  3. With regard to this, Zotac finally determines that:
    Larva will be banned from any Zotac Cup events from now on! And we promise we will never invite any players who have done something similar before. We are open to all reasonable ideas.
  4. Finally, Zotac wishes that Larva will apologize to Legend for what he has done.


Since rest of the announcement is irrelevant, I will not translate.
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
December 04 2017 13:50 GMT
#94
Response from ZOTAC on Sina Weibo:
http://overseas.weico.cc/share/11154554.html?weibo_id=4181325612729298

Part.2

2.韩国选手LARVA的不文明行为确为其本人临时突发,并未提前报备主办方知悉,所谓“该行为征得主办方同意”的不实言论对ZOTAC索泰也造成了严重的困扰,关于这一点我们已与该选手进行了严肃沟通。

Translation with help of online tools:
Korean player Larva's uncivilized behavior was his temporary burst, he did not talk with ZOTAC in advance, so-called"I asked ahead of time with the organizers if I could do it or not and they said I could" false statement also caused serious problem on ZOTAC, ZOTAC has communicated with Larva seriously at this point.

Larva's statement http://m.afreecatv.com/dpfgc3/detail/0/28518609
Note: page gone now.

Translation by jinjin5000:

Title: To people trying to sturr up trouble from today's final behaviors ^^

I asked ahead of time with the organizers if I could do it or not and they said I could

If you are offended, you don't have to watch ^_^

The present reaction was resolved and everyone took pictures and they said it was cool

Don't worry ^^


Shame on Larva, again!
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FoR_BlueS
Profile Joined December 2017
New Zealand21 Posts
December 04 2017 13:50 GMT
#95
On December 04 2017 22:43 s_k_911 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 22:33 FoR_BlueS wrote:
I think the.....


Lx birthday = Sep.7th,1984


If that is the case, I can see how LX expected his opponents to be at least as mature as he is himself. I hope Larva could learn something from this incident.
PM for games, NZ timezone. ICCUP rank TvP/PvT A- , between C/B for other matchups.
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
December 04 2017 13:58 GMT
#96
Zotac invite the most infantile person of all the sc streamers well known for his retarded doings and get surprised with the result lol
Luv ya BroodWar!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7225 Posts
December 04 2017 14:00 GMT
#97
On December 04 2017 22:58 _Animus_ wrote:
Zotac invite the most infantile person of all the sc streamers well known for his retarded doings and get surprised with the result lol

do you have to admit that this is not very easy to do
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MindBreaker
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States574 Posts
December 04 2017 14:10 GMT
#98
After really looking at it it’s pretty clear that he didn’t intend to insult legend with his tomfoolery. He was just trying to put on a good show. Especially to foreigners (a new group to watch his stream). While it sucks that legend was the butt of the joke and I can’t blame him for being mad I don’t think larva intended for it to be like that. He should still probably apologize to him if he hasn’t. Also I’m somewhat doubtful about a statement only coming from the Chinese division of zotac. If it was anything other than trying to save face I think it would be a bigger announcement
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s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China363 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 14:27:56
December 04 2017 14:14 GMT
#99
china press:

tencent report:

https://view.inews.qq.com/a/ESP2017120402816201

acfun report:

http://mobile.acfun.cn/a/ac4117509

gamesky:

http://ol.gamersky.com/news/201712/986663.shtml?tag=wap

hupu:

https://m.hupu.com/bbs/20881413.html

sina:

http://gameapp.sina.cn/news/dianshi/2017-12-04/yx-ifyphkhm0480968.d.html?sinawapsharesource=newsapp&wm=3200_0001

ali213:

http://www.ali213.net/news/html/2017-12/334397.html

ithome:

https://www.ithome.com/html/it/337162.htm

bilibili:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av16943170/
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MindBreaker
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States574 Posts
December 04 2017 14:15 GMT
#100
On December 04 2017 23:14 s_k_911 wrote:
china press:

tencent report:

https://view.inews.qq.com/a/ESP2017120402816201

acfun report:

http://mobile.acfun.cn/a/ac4117509

gamesky:

http://ol.gamersky.com/news/201712/986663.shtml?tag=wap

hupu:

https://m.hupu.com/bbs/20881413.html

If only I could read mandarin
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