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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I had to laugh so hard when Geoff said "Maybe more research could be done". How could anybody think he was serious or mad? And yeah this is only blowing up now because of China being proud as usual. If the other player had been Draco or any of the western foreigners, everything would be fine. But since it's Asian culture I am surprised that Larva doesn't get it and did what he did. It was bound to produce drama, since it was Korea vs China. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:03 Chrysanthemum wrote: I think it’s pretty much inarguable that what Larva did was rude and disrespectful given that his opponent was not in on the joke. It’s patently obvious that it will be insulting in these circumstances. I don’t think Larva was being malicious, but it really reflects poorly on his self-judgment that this wasn’t apparent to him. What does amaze me is the level of vitriol we’re seeing in the defenses put forward for Larva by various people in this thread and elsewhere. The most common seems to be that Larva’s antics made the series more entertaining and that Lx would have lost anyways. Well, no shit? What’s that got to do with whether it was rude or insulting or offensive? Larva does these things on his stream all the time, but that’s a different context than doing it in a livecasted LAN showmatch where *everyone* knows he is the overwhelming favorite and where he has basically been given a free trip to the US to be handed a $10k check. Another is "maybe Lx should have won if he didn't like it" or "maybe Lx should get good instead of crying." Again...???? What's that got to do with whether it was insulting or rude? It seems incredibly difficult for some people to hold these two ideas in their mind simultaneously: that what Larva did was rude, but that they also found it entertaining. I guess the conclusion that follows--that you enjoyed something that many found to be meanspirited--is too much to admit? Therefore Larva was entirely justified and there is no issue whatsoever despite the objective fact that there seems to be a 50/50 split between that opinion and the opinion that it was rude and insulting? (and again--it doesn't need to be a split, because the two ideas can exist simultaneously). Come on. I honestly feel like if you can’t see this you’re either still a teenager who’s never had to interact in the adult world or you’re the kind of person who is completely socially oblivious and is a pain in the ass for those in your social orbit. Your ad-hominem at the end really detracts from what was otherwise a well argumented post. Btw on a side note, Draco vs Larva was pretty entertaining yet equally one-sided, so the argument that this stuff was needed otherwise the games would be boring is really not working for me. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1597 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:36 LG)Sabbath wrote: Your ad-hominem at the end really detracts from what was otherwise a well argumented post. Btw on a side note, Draco vs Larva was pretty entertaining yet equally one-sided, so the argument that this stuff was needed otherwise the games would be boring is really not working for me. I enjoyed Draco vs Larva the most out of all the games, It was far from one-sided, Draco won game 1 and nearly won game 2. Very entertaining series! | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway637 Posts
And people seriously thought iNcontroL was mad!? Are people really that bad at reading the situation? | ||
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:31 Musicus wrote: I can't believe anybody seriously thinks iNcontrol was mad at Larva. He was just trolling him and being funny in the Geoff way as always. I laughed my ass off during the post game interview, not once did I think Geoff was mad. I had to laugh so hard when Geoff said "Maybe more research could be done". How could anybody think he was serious or mad? And yeah this is only blowing up now because of China being proud as usual. If the other player had been Draco or any of the western foreigners, everything would be fine. But since it's Asian culture I am surprised that Larva doesn't get it and did what he did. It was bound to produce drama, since it was Korea vs China. Ya, I was laughing as hard at the foot as I was at Inc's trolling during the interview, super obvious he was 100% joking with Larva. Might be harder for Larva to understand through a translator though, why he thought he was mad at him. I think if it was done to Draco there would still be blowback, polish fanboys would be irate and Draco is much more of a presence in foreign BW, has a lot of fans, but also I think Draco possibly would have had more of a sense of humor about it, not sure. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
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quinnyfizzle
United States10 Posts
If the tournament host wanted fair competition they should have really considered who they were inviting to this tournament. One look at the commentary for any of the larva games and you already know the casters have no interest in such a one sided game. They don't even fucking discuss the current game. They're talking about random bullshit lol | ||
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angrypofke
Lithuania174 Posts
For a struggling game like Starcraft, this is AMAZING! A lot of non-bw nerds were watching that, and they will be talking about it for a long time to come. They will be talking about Starcraft. All the Chinese news media talking about Starcraft. Next time there is an event like that all those, that normally wouldn't even know, will tune in just for the drama. "There's no such thing as bad publicity" | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On December 05 2017 02:57 quinnyfizzle wrote: The amount of people offended by larva's actions is astounding. It's a fucking showmatch! Do any of you guys ever watch all-star games or showmatches in other sports or games? Goofing around and flaunting is NORMAL. Especially so when there is a gigantic discrepancy in head to head skill level. If the tournament host wanted fair competition they should have really considered who they were inviting to this tournament. One look at the commentary for any of the larva games and you already know the casters have no interest in such a one sided game. They don't even fucking discuss the current game. They're talking about random bullshit lol Being disrespectful and acting like a moron doesnt bring any show, it might be fun for a while but thats making fun of someone else in public which is a shitty thing to do. Show might happen if larva actually prepared something funny like crazy builds, cool ceremonies and jokes. Acting like he is bored of his opponent level is nowhere near show, thats again just being a moron. About incontrol, imo he was looking kinda off almost all the time, not related to Larva. His attitude was like "i dont belong here" maybe he had different thing on his mind or something. He look like more serious grown up man compared to the other more nerdy guys around him. | ||
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HansenZ
49 Posts
Why Zotac invite Legend from China? It's not because of his skills, it's because of the huge China gaming market. After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure. Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy. Let's see what will happen Larva just put Zotac in a shitty position right now. Nice Job! | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On December 05 2017 03:01 angrypofke wrote: Guys, you have to look at the big picture: For a struggling game like Starcraft, this is AMAZING! A lot of non-bw nerds were watching that, and they will be talking about it for a long time to come. They will be talking about Starcraft. All the Chinese news media talking about Starcraft. Next time there is an event like that all those, that normally wouldn't even know, will tune in just for the drama. "There's no such thing as bad publicity" In general it might be true, but bad publicity doesn't make kids want to play the game more, only puts it in the newspapers, which might make Blizzard money and that's it. Otherwise the whole match fixing and the Sea scandal would have made an impact on the player base. It only made an impact on Sea's subscriber count. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4436 Posts
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AManHasNoName
United States165 Posts
On December 05 2017 03:10 Magic Powers wrote: Imo Larva is the best thing to happen to post-SC2 SC:BW. I don't agree that his antics are detrimental to the game. He's the perfect showman/villain and he's breathing life into the community. This a thousand times over. | ||
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thinkinger
21 Posts
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fickazzz
Germany152 Posts
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MMA_fan_
United States35 Posts
On the other hand, it's a showmatch. With Larva having been able to fool around in past games of this tournament, it's easy to see why he thought he could get away with doing these things. He's a showman for sure, on his stream and in tournaments. This was just kind of on another level of showmanship, though. I think the whole foot thing maybe took it a bit too far. I mean, for god sakes, Legend was even laughing after he saw that Larva killed off his own drone in game 1. It's easy to see that there was some fun to be had by doing such things, but it didn't need to go to that extent I think. I also don't think that Legend's response was entirely appropriate. He called both Larva and his fans retarded, and said something along the lines of "these things are what separates you from being a number 1 player. Trash.." I mean, I get it that you're upset, I would be too if I was in Legend's shoes I think. But i mean...Legend lost to a guy that was playing with his foot. and with his eyes not even looking at the screen for a good portion of the time. If you lose to that, and you say that those antics are what separate Larva from a top pro, then what does that make you? As I mentioned earlier, It's easy to see both sides, and I think the entire situation could have been handled differently by everyone involved. I don't know what the exact right answers are, because if I did then I would be the PR for these people, but there are things that are both right and wrong about this situation, from all parties involved. Hopefully everyone can come to an agreement of some sort soon, because this tournament was really entertaining to watch, including these crazy antics, and I'd love to see more of the tournament in the future  | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On December 05 2017 03:25 thinkinger wrote: Not all publicity attracts people. People play games for fun. This publicity is giving people the impression that in this game, gamers frequently humiliate opponents of less skills, and others cheer for it. Then why would one play this game, especially it takes months or even years to just learn the basic skills? To be fair, the teamliquid thread is giving that impression, the reddit thread seems to be much lighter, people are taking it as comedy. People who've never played starcraft or who haven't for years aren't jumping to the though "WOW WHAT A DISGRACE"... I think it's only BW people doing that. | ||
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AManHasNoName
United States165 Posts
On December 05 2017 03:33 Eywa- wrote: To be fair, the teamliquid thread is giving that impression, the reddit thread seems to be much lighter, people are taking it as comedy. People who've never played starcraft or who haven't for years aren't jumping to the though "WOW WHAT A DISGRACE"... I think it's only BW people doing that. Yeah, this is exactly it. Some portion of BW people are in an uproar about this. But, people who are generally interested in esports see it as entertaining and motivation to compete. I feel like a lot of the BW community is a bit out of touch with the main-stream esports scene. | ||
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thinkinger
21 Posts
On December 05 2017 03:33 Eywa- wrote: To be fair, the teamliquid thread is giving that impression, the reddit thread seems to be much lighter, people are taking it as comedy. People who've never played starcraft or who haven't for years aren't jumping to the though "WOW WHAT A DISGRACE"... I think it's only BW people doing that. They are not jumping to play the game either - everybody likes comedy, but nobody wants to be the one being humiliated in a comedy. Would you send your kids to learn baseball where older teammates tease him everyday? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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