October 1st, 2017: Fish Closure

On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote:
Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...

Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain?
Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?

Thanks!

On September 30 2017 21:12 fish_radio wrote:


http://www.starcraft.pro/
Inactive right now.

I think you are overreacting..

On September 30 2017 21:12 fish_radio wrote:


http://www.starcraft.pro/
Inactive right now.

I think you are overreacting..

On September 30 2017 23:52 fazek42 wrote:
Alright, we need shield battery to step up now! Iccup is also still up, no?

On October 01 2017 00:46 CobaltBlu wrote:
Fish server closing isn't some Blizzard conspiracy. Please.

On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote:
Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...

Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain?
Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?

Thanks!

On October 01 2017 01:30 L_Master wrote:
I don't really see the need for 1.16. Only serves to split people.

You can still make custom games with anyone you want to play with on RM, and thus are never in danger of not being able to find quality games. I think the ladder might still be buggy on RM (haven't been following that closely), but that isn't that big of a deal; at the end of the day ladder ranking doesn't really matter, and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.

Why anyone would play SB instead of remaster I especially don't know. SB has no ladder, it's just making games with friends and playing. You can do the exact same thing on remaster, just as you could on ICCup or Fish or any other server.

Maybe there are still a few unfortunate souls who have problems running RM, but I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about that recently, so I'm assuming it's resolved for 99%+ of people presently. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

On October 01 2017 01:46 BigFan wrote:

RM has a lot of issues. SD looks really shitty in RM and the game heats my laptop badly after 10-15 minutes of playing, even if SD graphics are being used. For me, 1.16.1 will always be the best BW was and I'm glad that ICCup and SB are not going anywhere anytime soon.

On October 01 2017 02:19 Waxangel wrote:
Browsing YGosu and seeing a lot of the response is that of "good riddance."

I guess their practices weren't all ethical, even if they provided a good service?

On October 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote:
I don't really care much about the hotkeys or the aspect ratio tbh but SD graphics on RM being so jagged and bad is concerning to me. That and my laptop heating up so badly after barely any time has passed is another concern. If ICCup and SB went away, I would probably come quite close to quitting BW I'm hoping that Blizzard actually works on these issues...

On October 01 2017 02:28 L_Master wrote:


I remembering reading the heating up thing was related to the FPS going up so high. You can go into options and enable the FPS cap, putting the slider to more reasonable levels.

On October 01 2017 01:46 BigFan wrote:
the game heats my laptop badly after 10-15 minutes of playing, even if SD graphics are being used.

On October 01 2017 02:19 Waxangel wrote:
Browsing YGosu and seeing a lot of the response is that of "good riddance."

I guess their practices weren't all ethical, even if they provided a good service?

On October 01 2017 01:30 L_Master wrote:
and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.

On October 01 2017 04:35 outscar wrote:
iCCup dead, Fish closing... Remastered is unplayable laggy and buggy. The end is drawing...

On October 01 2017 12:35 Akara12345 wrote:
More players to the official servers = less lag. Hopefully.

On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote:
I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.

Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.

On October 01 2017 22:07 Carnations wrote:


Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?

do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?

On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote:
I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.

On October 01 2017 22:42 noname_ wrote:

For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.


Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.

On October 01 2017 23:16 Carnations wrote:

it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.

Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10.
Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2.
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better.
Memory: 2GB RAM.
Storage: 2.8 GB HD space.
Internet: Broadband Internet connection.
Input: Keyboard and mouse.

This shit is not much.

On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote:
I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.

On October 02 2017 02:18 L_Master wrote:


Not the only one.

I've yet to have any major problems. I think the worst I've had is two matches where it said it found a match, hung for about 10 seconds, then said error. Reque both times and find a match right away. Some functionality with chat could certainly be better, and it's something they absolutely should "fix"/improve. The way the game runs for me, especially with better observer functionality and ability to rewind replays RM is a better game than 1.16

Unfortunately.....

There are plenty of people who still seem to be having anywhere from moderate to serious issues with RM, and that's a huge problem. They do seem like they've been doing a good job trying to solve these problems, and I'm not sure they have huge teams or resources at their disposal, but it isn't comforting that at 6 weeks in we still have many players experience significant playability issues.

On October 01 2017 22:42 noname_ wrote:

For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.


Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.

On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote:
I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".

On October 02 2017 03:28 StarStruck wrote:


there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.

On October 02 2017 03:58 sc-darkness wrote:


Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.

On October 02 2017 04:02 SchAmToo wrote:


Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.

On October 02 2017 04:06 juvenal wrote:

how hard is this to understand jeez.
'well I am not having a problem, therefore there is no problem!'

On October 02 2017 02:08 Lazare1969 wrote:

The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.

This article is so deceptive their "recommended" GPU has 512MB video memory:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/28438

On October 02 2017 03:16 B-royal wrote:
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7 4770 @ 3.40GHz
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
2048MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (ASUStek Computer Inc)

Game takes 70 seconds to start, from clicking on starcraft.exe until being able to log-in to multiplayer.
Starting witcher 3 through steam takes about 20-30 seconds less.
Sometimes battlenet is so slow I get null and void values instead of people's names, game names,...
Chat commands don't work, can't add people to my friends list, games are not being counted towards stats, can't search through your map folder by using hotkeys, and the list goes on..

On October 02 2017 05:28 neptunusfisk wrote:
RM works fine for me

I would prefer if it could be started without the blizzard launcher, but that doesn't take long even on my shitty computers.

On October 02 2017 05:39 iopq wrote:
run it with StarCraft.exe -launch

On October 02 2017 07:22 pheer wrote:

Wow thanks, this worked great. For anyone not sure how to do this... find your install directory, right click starcraft.exe, and choose send to -> desktop (create shortcut). Then right click the shortcut on your desktop and go to properties,
and add " -launch" right after the starcraft.exe in the target.

Here's mine:
+ Show Spoiler +

This launches the game immediately (in 2 seconds) instead of waiting for the god-awful blizz launcher to boot up.

On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote:
I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".

On October 02 2017 04:28 Carnations wrote:



Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?


Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.

On October 02 2017 09:06 BigFan wrote:



These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.

On October 02 2017 09:06 BigFan wrote:



These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.

On October 02 2017 04:02 SchAmToo wrote:


Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.

On October 02 2017 12:23 StarscreamG1 wrote:
They should had made SCR with SC2 engine and connectivity. A kind of the SC2BW mod. I know they wanted compatibility with original BW, but come on...move on.

On October 02 2017 02:55 sc-darkness wrote:
BW needed its graphics updated. 640x480 in 2017 isn't acceptable. The only big issue is lag though.

On October 02 2017 15:18 Golgotha wrote:
yeah I play SCR in Korea, on high end PCs at premium PC bangs, there is definitely lag. UI lag for one (wtf?!) and network lag. I don't get how there is UI lag...when the computer is running GTX 1080 with i7++++

On October 02 2017 16:56 Endymion wrote:
once blizzard moves on and stops ""caring"" about broodwar people will revert to 1.16.1 because remastered isn't malleable or modable.. the problem is during the interim the scene is losing all of the infrastructure that it built up since release. things like fish and wdetector implementation don't just pop up over night..

On October 02 2017 09:16 Heyjoray wrote:

"Stop making stupid assumptions". You are right, i should work with what they post here...Oh wait its just "OMG REMASTERED SUCKS ASS"

On October 02 2017 09:21 Carnations wrote:


Nope, don't feel bad at all. Want to elaborate on the problems you're having running remastered?

On October 02 2017 09:43 PobTheCad wrote:
512mb graphics card is pretty bad these days

On October 02 2017 22:50 BigFan wrote:
nor can I actually play the game without my laptop heating up like mad. On a side note, for anyone who was talking about fps lock (I've tried this already)

On October 03 2017 03:42 Lazare1969 wrote:

If you have one of those smaller phillips-head screwdrivers, some spare thermal compound and rubbing alcohol then you should consider reapplying thermal compound on your CPU and iGPU. I always do that for all my laptops because the manufacturers/factory workers are always sloppy with this and put way too much, causing them to sound like vacuum cleaners when watching an HD youtube video or playing a game. Look up your laptop model on youtube with the word "disassembly" to see if it's not too difficult to do for your model.

On October 03 2017 12:22 Wrath wrote:
average users on brain?

On October 03 2017 19:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
its good that brain is on the rise again

On October 03 2017 20:03 ReachTheSky wrote:
Why is it that blizzard always manages to divide the community? . I seriously wish they would have done a proper release for SCR. The fact that i'm still getting "due to an error, a match could not be found" after I que for a ladder match is unacceptable.

On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.

On October 04 2017 00:38 fish_radio wrote:

In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage.
Advertisements paid for the server.

Blizzard did not pay fee...

On October 04 2017 00:45 CobaltBlu wrote:


Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.

On October 04 2017 00:38 fish_radio wrote:

In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage.
Advertisements paid for the server.

Blizzard did not pay fee...

On October 04 2017 00:50 BigFan wrote:

I believe he's saying that they got an agreement from Blizzard to pay the fee but they didn't.

On October 04 2017 00:52 aQuaSC wrote:

If Blizzard said they were going to help out monetarily and then backed off then I understand the sentiment, probably it just has to do with people actually profiting from Fish ad revenue and they are just shutting it down because they weren't going to make any money off of it anymore. If this is true then I agree. No reason for Blizzard to pay guys to run a pirate... uhm private server

EDIT: on a side note, if SC:R is such an unplayable mess right now, why top Korean streamers are still playing it? Is Mike Morhaime holding them hostage? I figure they are in a unique position and have more or less of an influence on the game, if it's really so bad they could just go back to the flawless 1.16 and it would be an issue for Blizzard forcing them to do something.

On October 01 2017 00:56 toriak wrote:
Pros Extremely Frustrated with Starcraft Remastered

On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote:
That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.

Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.

Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.

Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.

On October 04 2017 04:46 Cheesefome wrote:


Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.

Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.

The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.

I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?

Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.

I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.

People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.

I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.

On October 04 2017 12:32 arb wrote:

As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs

On October 04 2017 13:43 blade55555 wrote:
Man that was such ac ool sentence toriak. You got him!

On October 04 2017 12:32 arb wrote:

They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.

As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs

On October 04 2017 15:58 PobTheCad wrote:

Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings

On October 05 2017 12:48 Jealous wrote:

You should ask your former clanmates, I am sure they know.

On October 04 2017 15:58 PobTheCad wrote:

Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings

On October 05 2017 12:48 Jealous wrote:

You should ask your former clanmates, I am sure they know.

On October 05 2017 14:00 Jealous wrote:

Why you gotta spoil the joke -_-;

Wait, why you using "you"

Arb are you drunk again

stop that

pls

On October 05 2017 17:42 Pippah wrote:
I have had 1 game with lag out of ~300, and that was against a korean. Otherwise absolutely 0 lag..... I do have had like 10-15 games that just instant shuts down for no reason :/

On October 06 2017 01:07 ishmoks wrote:
I love remastered. Maybe people should upgrade their wooden pcs.

IMPORTANT BrainClan Etiquette, or "How To Not Be A Foreigner"
It is absolutely critical that foreigners do not stick out too badly on the Brain server. Foreigner IPs were banned from Brain before for this reason. A lot of behavior used on iCCup is considered too rude for the server. Overall, I feel they are more professional than iCCup, and this must be taken into account.

I urge you to read the following if you intend to play on Brain at all, so that everyone may enjoy the benefits of having unbanned IPs for us foreigners:

- The overall idea is blend in, don't piss Koreans off, keep us unbanned.
- Wait a good ten hours after making account (policy, you must in order to play a ranked ladder match 1v1).
- Make games with mini-launcher and #LL or #L2 for LAN latency. If you do not know how to use LatencyChanger for Chaos/minilauncher, practice on USEast to make sure you have it working.. ;p
- Do not smurf or make multiple accounts (for the purpose of stomping n00bs anyway). Koreans hate this. They say this is what iCCup is for.
- Do not chat in the ladder channels. Find someone near your rank, and whisper them the gamename/password. They will say "go" or something similar if they agree.
- Have the Korean maps. [See just above this for link]
- From my personal experience with having Korean friends, they take swearing, especially f-bombs, a lot more personally then we do here. It means more. Respect that, and only drop BM if you really, really mean it, and be prepared for the consequences.. (including getting us banned again you jackass. ;P)
- I am unsure if installing a Korean language pack is actually necessary. If you want to host a public game, it may stand out to use the English alphabet instead of Korean. See under "Details and Korean Language Pack" spoiler above.