i dont think it comes off as a big surprise to anyone tbh when blizz announced automated matchmaking and separated fish server from Korea server to give them acknowledgement and seperation, most people knew inside that it was just a lipservice as there is no real point of fish sticking around if blizz gets automatchaking since tournements and everything will be on latest version.
That's unfortunate. Fish was the best server for me and my australian friend when we wanted to play against each other Blizzard servers were all terrible for us.
well it makes sense all the team play/fastest players switched back to 1.16, there's absolutely no incentive for them to stick around with RM providing them little, if any benefits.
Is it real info? Can you please provide official link, coze I smell you are that fish admin wanabee with a "dragon" in your aka, the one used to always complain about how foreigners "misbehaved" on fish server...
Putting this aside, I don't know if at the end we got it better with matchmaking. I was totally happy with 1.18 on fish.
On September 30 2017 20:00 iFU.pauline wrote: Is it real info? Can you please provide official link, coze I smell you are that fish admin wanabee with a "dragon" in your aka, the one used to always complain about how foreigners "misbehaved" on fish server...
Putting this aside, I don't know if at the end we got it better with matchmaking. I was totally happy with 1.18 on fish.
Don't blame 'em. Remastered release has been a buggy mess. The old graphics look worse than Starcraft64 and the protoss minimap still has that ultra annoying black strip down the side.Plus the lag makes a fair amount of the games unplayable.
Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...
Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain? Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?
On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote: Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...
Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain? Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?
On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote: Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...
Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain? Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?
Thank you so much for help mate! Too bad that its inactive.. ^^
No i dont. You see what they (Blizz) are doing.. They said that they cant meet up Blizz demands... Why Blizz have such demands? Remaster has problems that they cant fix.. There are bugs that werent present in SC:BW.. Also how i can feel now? Since announcement i was saying that they will kill SC:BW and what happened? Remaster has bugs that not exists in SC:BW and now they are closing Fish? So tell me am i overreacting mate? ^^
Sucks.... fk blizzard, seriously... I can't express how excited i was when we heard about remastered.
But it coming to fruition is the biggest bummer.
I'd much rather have a fish server with reliable service and lag free gaming than the graphics update remastered has brought. I'm very dissapointed with the outcome of this project.
The only thing giving me hope at this point is that they are consistently giving us updates. I just hope they fix all these problems sooner rather than later, i really do.
Man the fact that I can't get an accurate MMR is making think twice about loving remastered. I can deal with a little lag, but I want my wins recorded as wins dammit!
Blizzard Classic Team is killing brood war. They are so incompetent that's unreal to me. in 3 months they didn't fixed anything or improved a single thing. 1.16+mcalauncher/wlauncher were 100000 times better.
Sad to hear though they've done some shitty stuff in the past from what I hear. I'm not a big fan of Blizzard having mostly complete control in Korea when it comes to servers so :/
On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote: Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...
Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain? Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?
He may be overreacting but it's not uncommon for developers who have complete control to screw up the game experience over the years.
A prime example is TF2, where valve killed the independant community servers by introducing a matchmaking button, then proceeded to change the modalities of access to their servers. So bad stuff could happen.
I think it's really important tha blizzard releases a stable version, I feel like it's really bad for the scene to be dispersed to a bunch of different servers.
umm.. the issue is advertising fish revenue was from advertisements in-game and wLauncher. blizzard promised to assist fish server. they did not. blizzard lied. fish die from lack of fundings.
brain server and iccup server will be 1.16.1 now. brain clan system is functioning. i do not know iccup. i will help administer brain server. operator selection will be transparent.
please understand blizzard did not help us. 1.16.1 is reenacting.
On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote: Since the announcement of Remaster i knew that Blizz will kill Starcraft Brood War and now they are doing just that... No one believed me and now you have it. With Fish closing they have free road.. Im predicting that after some time they will start changing this game to better suit new players and after that SC:BW will die or really become a niche. It will happen because old players wont be able to play it and new ones will lose interest because with changes this game will lose its identity.. Soon after, they will be able to release Starcraft 3. They want total and full control over this franchise and it wouldnt be bad if they wanted to help it stay alive and grow...
Now could someone tell me how i can get to Brain? Also i wanted to ask what happened in detail that Fish is closing?
Thanks!
I've had the exact same fears as you since the release of SC:R. Still hoping we are wrong...
I don't really see the need for 1.16. Only serves to split people.
You can still make custom games with anyone you want to play with on RM, and thus are never in danger of not being able to find quality games. I think the ladder might still be buggy on RM (haven't been following that closely), but that isn't that big of a deal; at the end of the day ladder ranking doesn't really matter, and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.
Why anyone would play SB instead of remaster I especially don't know. SB has no ladder, it's just making games with friends and playing. You can do the exact same thing on remaster, just as you could on ICCup or Fish or any other server.
Maybe there are still a few unfortunate souls who have problems running RM, but I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about that recently, so I'm assuming it's resolved for 99%+ of people presently. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
On October 01 2017 01:30 L_Master wrote: I don't really see the need for 1.16. Only serves to split people.
You can still make custom games with anyone you want to play with on RM, and thus are never in danger of not being able to find quality games. I think the ladder might still be buggy on RM (haven't been following that closely), but that isn't that big of a deal; at the end of the day ladder ranking doesn't really matter, and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.
Why anyone would play SB instead of remaster I especially don't know. SB has no ladder, it's just making games with friends and playing. You can do the exact same thing on remaster, just as you could on ICCup or Fish or any other server.
Maybe there are still a few unfortunate souls who have problems running RM, but I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about that recently, so I'm assuming it's resolved for 99%+ of people presently. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
RM has a lot of issues. SD looks really shitty in RM and the game heats my laptop badly after 10-15 minutes of playing, even if SD graphics are being used. For me, 1.16.1 will always be the best BW was and I'm glad that ICCup and SB are not going anywhere anytime soon.
remastered runs badly for me and i still don't think it's better than 1.16.1 given the hotkey issues and the higher aspect ratio resulting in a different game. furthermore, bnet .20 is worse than the old bnet (in that it's slower and clunkier, while also lacking basic functionality. when i was on remastered you couldn't even whisper people lol). there are quite a few koreans that agree, given that when i was on fish yesterday there were like 25 1v1 games up on korean off hours..
there's also the concern of giving blizzard control of something when they have continuously squandered their extensive goodwill since the merge with activision. i have much more faith in mca64 and the people behind wlauncher than i do in blizzard (likewise with the server admins on fish) to produce a competitive environment to play broodwar
On October 01 2017 01:30 L_Master wrote: I don't really see the need for 1.16. Only serves to split people.
You can still make custom games with anyone you want to play with on RM, and thus are never in danger of not being able to find quality games. I think the ladder might still be buggy on RM (haven't been following that closely), but that isn't that big of a deal; at the end of the day ladder ranking doesn't really matter, and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.
Why anyone would play SB instead of remaster I especially don't know. SB has no ladder, it's just making games with friends and playing. You can do the exact same thing on remaster, just as you could on ICCup or Fish or any other server.
Maybe there are still a few unfortunate souls who have problems running RM, but I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about that recently, so I'm assuming it's resolved for 99%+ of people presently. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
RM has a lot of issues. SD looks really shitty in RM and the game heats my laptop badly after 10-15 minutes of playing, even if SD graphics are being used. For me, 1.16.1 will always be the best BW was and I'm glad that ICCup and SB are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Too bad everyone moved, so the rest had to to stay relevant. I didn`t found the specific thread for RM to ask about stuff, but after seeing what`s pouring now, I realized there isn`t one(?). The chat system still doesn`t work. If you`d wish to play on clear display with the old graphics, you can`t do so, because the widescreen gives a clear edge for the opponent, hence all players are forced to play with it, despite it`s inferior in many aspects, at least in my eyes. I can bring up only one aspect in which RM improves upon BW: the fast matchmaking ladder (which has it`s various issues as well...), but that`s it.
I don't really care much about the hotkeys or the aspect ratio tbh but SD graphics on RM being so jagged and bad is concerning to me. That and my laptop heating up so badly after barely any time has passed is another concern. If ICCup and SB went away, I would probably come quite close to quitting BW I'm hoping that Blizzard actually works on these issues...
My only problem with RM is just the lag in 1v1s. When it lags in 3v3s that doesnt bother me too much because whatever its a 3v3 i'll find another one. but holy shit the lag in 1v1 MM is unreal sometimes.
Good morning. Fish Battle.net Operations Team. The fish server, which has been running for about 13 years, will shut down all services on October 1st. In the meantime, we supplemented the shortcomings of the official Battle.net There was a purpose to make more people enjoy StarCraft, 1. Matchmaking features are not supported since the release of the remaster version 2. Due to the server connection with Blizzard, we can not create specialized service of fish server in the future 3. It is impossible to develop independent ladder operation and other additional services due to this.
I think there is no need for existence any more. In the situation where more new functions are available on the official server, the relatively inefficient fish server We think that it is adversely affecting StarCraft by distributing user pool of official server. In situations where there are not many users, such as matchmaking, it is difficult to ensure fairness and discrimination when the user pool is small Public rooms can also be difficult to play smoothly for similar reasons. Fish Server has become an official gateway to provide quality service I tried to be on par with other online game service providers. However, in terms of securing operating funds, the advertising business was not implemented as planned
There is a limit to being able to operate only with the service of an elected management without paying for labor. As a server used by more than 100,000 users with cumulative daily connections It is true that we have also been burdened with the accumulation of unavoidable expenses such as the corresponding line expenses and server costs.
We have kept our servers in a state where we do not have to pay for operating expenses, rather than revenue. In version 1.16, I received a few ads in the banner ad column at the top of the chat window on the server, It was an amount that was inadequate to cover the above-mentioned turnover and service costs. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you that our operations have not earned any profits.
Also, in contract with Blizzard, we have never received or received operating expenses. Even if we terminate the service, I hope that there is no rumor that "I only took financial gain and ran away". Regardless of the reason, there is no excuse for our failure to provide a smooth service.
It is not fair to all users because there is no professional knowledge about server operation, And the fact that they could not concentrate on operating the server due to their personal life or work. I hope users will understand you even later.
Our operations team also does not hesitate to terminate the service that has been maintained for a long time. But as a service that existed for the user and as a private server that was approved by the game manufacturer I hope to be remembered small by all users who love StarCraft.
Our operations team also has StarCraft's new Blizzard remaster I would like to pray once again for the revival. We would like to thank all the users who have been using Fish Server.
Fish Server Team Up
Service shutdown schedule guide Service end date: October 1, 2013 23:59
* 1.16 clients and remaster clients can not connect to the server after the service has been terminated. * In case of homepage, service will be finished in mid-October. * According to the Personal Information Protection Act, all personal information recorded on the server, such as ID and personal information, will be destroyed at the end of homepage service. * Information such as access records necessary for cooperation with investigation agencies will be stored and destroyed for one month.
On October 01 2017 02:19 Waxangel wrote: Browsing YGosu and seeing a lot of the response is that of "good riddance."
I guess their practices weren't all ethical, even if they provided a good service?
Should ask lemmata about. He has a list of the stuff that they've done including DDoS other servers like Brain etc... Having said that, having more autonomy, aka less reliance on Blizzard and a place to play 1.16.1 are huge lost benefits for the community.
On October 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote: I don't really care much about the hotkeys or the aspect ratio tbh but SD graphics on RM being so jagged and bad is concerning to me. That and my laptop heating up so badly after barely any time has passed is another concern. If ICCup and SB went away, I would probably come quite close to quitting BW I'm hoping that Blizzard actually works on these issues...
I remembering reading the heating up thing was related to the FPS going up so high. You can go into options and enable the FPS cap, putting the slider to more reasonable levels.
On October 01 2017 02:01 BigFan wrote: I don't really care much about the hotkeys or the aspect ratio tbh but SD graphics on RM being so jagged and bad is concerning to me. That and my laptop heating up so badly after barely any time has passed is another concern. If ICCup and SB went away, I would probably come quite close to quitting BW I'm hoping that Blizzard actually works on these issues...
I remembering reading the heating up thing was related to the FPS going up so high. You can go into options and enable the FPS cap, putting the slider to more reasonable levels.
tried already. It's something that Blizzard changed because ICCup never had this issue. For SB, I had to play for a long long time to even get close to it happening. Either way, it's not even just that. SD graphics in RM is a huge concern for me because I love those graphics :/
I'm surprised it is happening so soon, but not surprised it ended up closing down. Way more people play on the official Korean server than Fish (last time I checked, there were 4-5k on Fish and 15k+ on official Korea).
I do wish Fish could have stayed, had match making and hosted their own map pool since Blizzard is doing about what I expected with the map pool.
On October 01 2017 01:30 L_Master wrote: and the matchmaker still gets you way faster, better quality games than you ever could have just hosting 1:1 on ICCup.
Depends on your MMR. I recently made a smurf and yeah the experience was fun because you get fast games with no lag. On my main account which is at 2200MMR however, 90-95% of games are against Koreans and about half of those games lag so badly even on extra high that it's not fun to play.
I'd rather wait 4 minutes for a game on iccup and have a lag free and fun game experience than this...
im still annoyed about how SD version looks like compared to 1.16. I wanna play ladder on SD but i'm playing on HD solely because of how SD looks- which feels much better to play at- but when it looks like shit what r u gonna do..
With that said i honestly don't mind a 1.16 comeback
I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Blizzard still has yet to fix the "error finding match" when I que up for ladder. They released an incomplete game that does not run properly. They used to be a company that released games that operated properly, however, this no longer seems to be the case.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much. Pentium D processors came out early 2005. That's 12 years old. The Athlon 64 x2 thing is basically the same.
2GB of ram? The fuck? That's basically nothing as well.
It's completely unreasonable to complain about Remastered system requirements. I'm fairly certain my smartphone can handle it.
I can feel only sorry for the classic team being used as a scapegoat for this bullshit. Man, looks like every single game of the classics is getting worse and worse with every patch.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Not the only one.
I've yet to have any major problems. I think the worst I've had is two matches where it said it found a match, hung for about 10 seconds, then said error. Reque both times and find a match right away. Some functionality with chat could certainly be better, and it's something they absolutely should "fix"/improve. The way the game runs for me, especially with better observer functionality and ability to rewind replays RM is a better game than 1.16
Unfortunately.....
There are plenty of people who still seem to be having anywhere from moderate to serious issues with RM, and that's a huge problem. They do seem like they've been doing a good job trying to solve these problems, and I'm not sure they have huge teams or resources at their disposal, but it isn't comforting that at 6 weeks in we still have many players experience significant playability issues.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Not the only one.
I've yet to have any major problems. I think the worst I've had is two matches where it said it found a match, hung for about 10 seconds, then said error. Reque both times and find a match right away. Some functionality with chat could certainly be better, and it's something they absolutely should "fix"/improve. The way the game runs for me, especially with better observer functionality and ability to rewind replays RM is a better game than 1.16
Unfortunately.....
There are plenty of people who still seem to be having anywhere from moderate to serious issues with RM, and that's a huge problem. They do seem like they've been doing a good job trying to solve these problems, and I'm not sure they have huge teams or resources at their disposal, but it isn't comforting that at 6 weeks in we still have many players experience significant playability issues.
Count me in, I bought RM and enjoying it.
I'm even using a 2010 white macbook to play it perfectly fine... of course mac's then were on disk drives, obviously i had to slap an SSD on it about 2 years ago and doubled up RAM, just as anyone who plans to keep using old hardware should.
I wonder what these complainers are using? Fucking windows 95 on pentium 90mhz? These folks love playing BW so much they forgot to make money for upgrading/buying new systems?
Kidding aside... anybody properly running at the very least a windows 7 should be able to play this game
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
Wow, who are these "core" people hmm? Tell me more
I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 4770 @ 3.40GHz RAM 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28) 2048MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (ASUStek Computer Inc)
Game takes 70 seconds to start, from clicking on starcraft.exe until being able to log-in to multiplayer. Starting witcher 3 through steam takes about 20-30 seconds less. Sometimes battlenet is so slow I get null and void values instead of people's names, game names,... Chat commands don't work, can't add people to my friends list, games are not being counted towards stats, can't search through your map folder by using hotkeys, and the list goes on..
This was to be expected considering the whole launch of remastered and considering what Blizz has done for the last 6+ years or so it just isn't the same company.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
There is a whole lot of interface bugs that are unacceptable and should be fixed. But people really need to call down. Remastered is ALOT better than what was before.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.
how hard is this to understand jeez. 'well I am not having a problem, therefore there is no problem!'
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.
how hard is this to understand jeez. 'well I am not having a problem, therefore there is no problem!'
Nah, I'm just saying it's ok for me. Please don't misinterpret other people's words. I never said it's fine for everyone.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
On October 02 2017 03:16 B-royal wrote: Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 4770 @ 3.40GHz RAM 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28) 2048MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (ASUStek Computer Inc)
Game takes 70 seconds to start, from clicking on starcraft.exe until being able to log-in to multiplayer. Starting witcher 3 through steam takes about 20-30 seconds less. Sometimes battlenet is so slow I get null and void values instead of people's names, game names,... Chat commands don't work, can't add people to my friends list, games are not being counted towards stats, can't search through your map folder by using hotkeys, and the list goes on..
Yea, this is the bizarre stuff, and I've recall this has been fucked for you since day 1 of 1.18. Then people like me have the game run fine. I'm not sure I can recall even hearing about such a massive spread in how a game runs from person to person as I have for RM.
Wish I knew more about hardware/programming to have some idea why RM experiences are so completely over the map.
On October 02 2017 05:39 iopq wrote: run it with StarCraft.exe -launch
Wow thanks, this worked great. For anyone not sure how to do this... find your install directory, right click starcraft.exe, and choose send to -> desktop (create shortcut). Then right click the shortcut on your desktop and go to properties, and add " -launch" right after the starcraft.exe in the target.
On October 02 2017 05:39 iopq wrote: run it with StarCraft.exe -launch
Wow thanks, this worked great. For anyone not sure how to do this... find your install directory, right click starcraft.exe, and choose send to -> desktop (create shortcut). Then right click the shortcut on your desktop and go to properties, and add " -launch" right after the starcraft.exe in the target.
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
I have an i7 4770k oced at 4.4ghz, and a gtx 1070, 16gb ram (oc too) and i m having issues as well from weird graphic bugs to sluggish mouse and inputs. And then there s the horrible lag. I m also pretty disappointed in how bad the remastered cinematics are, graphics wise. So while I can understand your point, the product is not worthy of being a final commercial release and may be worse than the original for some people, without even using the hd settings.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.
"Stop making stupid assumptions". You are right, i should work with what they post here...Oh wait its just "OMG REMASTERED SUCKS ASS"
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.
Nope, don't feel bad at all. Want to elaborate on the problems you're having running remastered?
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.
Goes both ways, just because it's not working for you doesn't mean it isn't working for everyone. Plus it's indisputable that more people are actively playing now vs pure fish/iccup days so that says something as well...
Definitely blizz should look into this, but just saying it's not necessarily a priority because the launch was a success for most. Since the classic team is small I would rather them prioritize introducing other features to grow the casual user base, such as team matchmaking.
They should had made SCR with SC2 engine and connectivity. A kind of the SC2BW mod. I know they wanted compatibility with original BW, but come on...move on.
On October 02 2017 12:23 StarscreamG1 wrote: They should had made SCR with SC2 engine and connectivity. A kind of the SC2BW mod. I know they wanted compatibility with original BW, but come on...move on.
Sounds like a horrible idea. The whole point of remastered is to update the graphics while maintaining everything about the original, including the "flaws" and "quirks" that make Brood War what it is.
I, for one, think they absolutely nailed it and I'm loving playing StarCraft again with a fresh new look.
I guess i've been lucky with my card Nvidia 960 + i5 processor and never had a single problem anyone else has ever described about the game not working
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
there is a lot of bugs man, I think it's funny that you're thinking a lot of these other players just have ancient toasters when that isn't the case.
Really? Apart from lag and unresponsive battle.net when you click buttons too much, Remastered is perfectly fine on my computer. The battle.net issue is just bad programming not exactly hardware because someone is likely using UI thread to do too much.
Just because it's fine on your computer, does not mean it's fine for everyone's.
Goes both ways, just because it's not working for you doesn't mean it isn't working for everyone. Plus it's indisputable that more people are actively playing now vs pure fish/iccup days so that says something as well.
In the past few years there were more players on Fish alone than there are across all servers these days.
Pretty much what I expected when I read the RM announcement. I'm not amused...
On October 02 2017 02:55 sc-darkness wrote: BW needed its graphics updated. 640x480 in 2017 isn't acceptable. The only big issue is lag though.
Who cared about the graphics in this game anyways? Are you for real? Talking about graphics though, the new ones aren't even better and look out of place. Why did you need that so called "upgrade" for a buggy experience for a significant portion of the player base if the game ran smoothly for more than 15 years? I don't feel like RM added anything but bringing in graphic fetishists (for whatever reason though), splitting the community, destroying autonomic servers and giving Blizzard more control. Very nice. I will continue to observe how lots of the Blizzard apologists and bandwagoners will move on in the next few months... I hope I'm wrong with this prediction and BW will continue to thrive.
On October 02 2017 12:23 StarscreamG1 wrote: They should had made SCR with SC2 engine and connectivity. A kind of the SC2BW mod. I know they wanted compatibility with original BW, but come on...move on.
It's funny that you say that, because a few people here and there were saying "SC:R will use the SC2 engine, I guarantee it" and were completely wrong, thankfully. That would be a mod, not a remade game. It also would've been stupid. No video game is going to run perfectly for everybody ever, especially across multiple networks on various continents.
yeah I play SCR in Korea, on high end PCs at premium PC bangs, there is definitely lag. UI lag for one (wtf?!) and network lag. I don't get how there is UI lag...when the computer is running GTX 1080 with i7++++
Just wanna say that telling someone 'wow your machine's a potato, buy a new one' is basically being an asshole. Not everyone wants a new fancy i7 every few years, not everyone can afford an upgrade - however minuscule, or maybe they can afford it but it's like their 158th priority currently. People ain't trying to run Battlefield 1, they're having troubles with a game they previously had none with. Frustrating shit.
once blizzard moves on and stops ""caring"" about broodwar people will revert to 1.16.1 because remastered isn't malleable or modable.. the problem is during the interim the scene is losing all of the infrastructure that it built up since release. things like fish and wdetector implementation don't just pop up over night..
On October 02 2017 15:18 Golgotha wrote: yeah I play SCR in Korea, on high end PCs at premium PC bangs, there is definitely lag. UI lag for one (wtf?!) and network lag. I don't get how there is UI lag...when the computer is running GTX 1080 with i7++++
UI is loaded inside of a little Chrome browser inside the game
that's right, the UI is coded with HTML and javascript
On October 02 2017 15:18 Golgotha wrote: yeah I play SCR in Korea, on high end PCs at premium PC bangs, there is definitely lag. UI lag for one (wtf?!) and network lag. I don't get how there is UI lag...when the computer is running GTX 1080 with i7++++
UI is loaded inside of a little Chrome browser inside the game
that's right, the UI is coded with HTML and javascript
On October 02 2017 16:56 Endymion wrote: once blizzard moves on and stops ""caring"" about broodwar people will revert to 1.16.1 because remastered isn't malleable or modable.. the problem is during the interim the scene is losing all of the infrastructure that it built up since release. things like fish and wdetector implementation don't just pop up over night..
I think if blizzard actually does fix sprite limit and ccmu the majority will stick with remastered.
Had trouble with the performance as well, having it use close 100% CPU and being the only program to make my systems go really hot (both a laptop with i7 @ 2.66GHz, 8GB RAM and 1GB GPU and my desktop with Ryzen 7 1700X @ 3.9GHz 16GB RAM 8GB GPU), but turned on the FPS cap, turned off the lighting effects and turned of the thing that makes the map look more "random" and now it runs fine (~5% CPU, system doesn't go super hot). As for lag I can't really say since I only played with my friends and didn't have any trouble with that there, didn't try the ladder yet.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
On October 02 2017 04:28 Carnations wrote:
On October 02 2017 02:08 Lazare1969 wrote:
On October 01 2017 23:16 Carnations wrote:
On October 01 2017 22:42 noname_ wrote:
On October 01 2017 22:07 Carnations wrote:
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.
"Stop making stupid assumptions". You are right, i should work with what they post here...Oh wait its just "OMG REMASTERED SUCKS ASS"
Look at what this thread is about. It's purpose is to inform folks that fish was going to be gone. Of course, some people who have played on the server for years will be mad when they are having issues with RM till now and fish doesn't exist anymore. The point in the end stays. If you felt strongly about people posting "OMG RM SUCKS ASS" you could've just as easily asked what issues they are having and their system requirements. Already some posters have posted their specs including myself so take it or leave it.
On October 02 2017 02:50 Heyjoray wrote: I would love to know on what kind of shitty PC the OMG RM SO BAD screamer play. All the purist elitists probably never had a reason to upgrade their computer and simply sticked on windows xp. But you are incredible cool in here spamming "LOL RM SO BAD BLIZ SUX".
On October 02 2017 04:28 Carnations wrote:
On October 02 2017 02:08 Lazare1969 wrote:
On October 01 2017 23:16 Carnations wrote:
On October 01 2017 22:42 noname_ wrote:
On October 01 2017 22:07 Carnations wrote:
On October 01 2017 16:46 arbiter_md wrote: I've been using 1.16 and everything was fine. Don't like the graphics of RM and didn't plan to spend money on that. About a week ago I've made a mistake to try to join Europe server. And then it started. Auto-update to 1.18 and all the shit that comes with it. Now it takes 5 minutes to start the game and I have a pause of like 10 seconds before every game starts.
Of course CPU is way up to 40-50% now. And that's supposed to be the same game with few fixes?? I don't know how some developers manage to screw the software so badly. Don't even want to think what a possible RM would do to my computer.
Maybe it's time to stop playing on an Etch-a-sketch?
do you have to literally draw the map before the game loads?
For a game with a 1998 release date and what used to run on a Pentium I, should really be a requirement to have a modern piece of hardware (and blizzard apps and whatnot) to run smoothly? Come on... Probably only a small portion of bw gamers are affected to this level, but this is ridiculous nonetheless.
On October 01 2017 22:36 Dantak wrote: I don't get it. Am I the only one who enjoys the new rm without any problems? I'm just glad that RM brought more people back (me included) and that I can use auto match making.
Who didn`t played on icc/fish, won`t notice anything anyway. I don`t want to be rude, but most of the people who bought RM (with nostalgia in mind) will slip by and fade away within a few months, the core will remain to chew on on the unresolved issues.
it's not ridiculous. if you're trying to play on a microwave you don't get to complain.
Operating System: Windows® 7 / Windows® 8 / Windows® 10. Processor: Intel® Pentium® D or AMD™ Athlon™ 64 X2. Video: NVIDIA® GeForce; 6800 (256 MB) or ATI™ Radeon™ X1600 Pro (256 MB) or better. Memory: 2GB RAM. Storage: 2.8 GB HD space. Internet: Broadband Internet connection. Input: Keyboard and mouse.
This shit is not much.
The requirement for video card is outdated. 512MB of VRAM is the absolute minimum and you'll want at least 1GB VRAM for it to be smooth throughout the whole game. The game requires 2.2 GB VRAM to be able to turn on real-time lighting -- though the bright side is that it's an ugly effect anyway so it's no real loss.
Wow, you're right dude. You need a computer from 2006, not 2005.. What a huge difference. Like, seriously, what's your point?
Stop trying to play on a potato and remastered should work fine.
These two posts are terrible and you should both feel bad about it. Stop making stupid assumptions and actually ask those people having issues what kind of computer they are using before trying to deride every poster having issues as having a "potato computer". I myself have an i5 laptop with 6gb ram and a dedicated 512mb nvidia graphics card. This 'potato' computer was running WoL on all high settings when it was released but wait, how can a potato computer run Starcraft II but not RM? I'll leave you to think about that one.
Nope, don't feel bad at all. Want to elaborate on the problems you're having running remastered?
I did earlier in the thread and I already posted my system specs as well. There have been other who posted their own issues and specs too if you are interested.
On October 02 2017 09:43 PobTheCad wrote: 512mb graphics card is pretty bad these days
You're missing the point entirely here. I want to play RM in SD graphics, not HD ones. I've had no issues with 1.16.1 yet despite playing and fiddling with all the settings, I can't see to get SD graphics to look as good as 1.16.1 nor can I actually play the game without my laptop heating up like mad. On a side note, for anyone who was talking about fps lock (I've tried this already), I believe that was the cause of some pros having issues with command registration a while back (read it somewhere, not sure how they fixed this).
I feel like the technical issues here have nothing to do with "good" or "bad" systems on the player's side. RM seems to be badly optimised as some people with weak machines have no problems and some with strong machines do. I remember that from when I played Guild Wars 2 actively. Despite from being horribly optimised in general, some people with weaker systems had next to no issues while some monster machines had insane fps drops. I think the problem is that Blizzard touched the basic graphic engine and fucked it up. This is easily imaginable knowing how bad documentation in the IT branch usually is and the fact that this is a 20 year old engine and basically nobody who has worked on it back then is still there...
On October 02 2017 22:50 BigFan wrote: nor can I actually play the game without my laptop heating up like mad. On a side note, for anyone who was talking about fps lock (I've tried this already)
If you have one of those smaller phillips-head screwdrivers, some spare thermal compound and rubbing alcohol then you should consider reapplying thermal compound on your CPU and iGPU. I always do that for all my laptops because the manufacturers/factory workers are always sloppy with this and put way too much, causing them to sound like vacuum cleaners when watching an HD youtube video or playing a game. Look up your laptop model on youtube with the word "disassembly" to see if it's not too difficult to do for your model.
On October 02 2017 22:50 BigFan wrote: nor can I actually play the game without my laptop heating up like mad. On a side note, for anyone who was talking about fps lock (I've tried this already)
If you have one of those smaller phillips-head screwdrivers, some spare thermal compound and rubbing alcohol then you should consider reapplying thermal compound on your CPU and iGPU. I always do that for all my laptops because the manufacturers/factory workers are always sloppy with this and put way too much, causing them to sound like vacuum cleaners when watching an HD youtube video or playing a game. Look up your laptop model on youtube with the word "disassembly" to see if it's not too difficult to do for your model.
the laptop is close to 6 years at this point and I'm a bit hesitant to actually touch aside from just regular cleaning and such. I've done what you stated before though (built my own gaming rig in the past) but thanks for mentioning it regardless.
Side note: I made a mistake, my dedicated gpu has 1gb, not 512mb.
Why is it that blizzard always manages to divide the community? . I seriously wish they would have done a proper release for SCR. The fact that i'm still getting "due to an error, a match could not be found" after I que for a ladder match is unacceptable.
On October 03 2017 20:03 ReachTheSky wrote: Why is it that blizzard always manages to divide the community? . I seriously wish they would have done a proper release for SCR. The fact that i'm still getting "due to an error, a match could not be found" after I que for a ladder match is unacceptable.
If this is happening to you frequently, it's very likely due to your router. Make sure to port forward port 6112.
There was 14k+ people on kr server last night, seems the KR server is the place to be, not sure that all will leave KR server Blizz Ladder for Brain but we'll see....
On September 30 2017 20:51 Ishtar wrote: They want total and full control over this franchise
Has StarCraft franchise ever been given out to public domain? The truth is that the Korean StarCraft community spawned off actual piracy, you might disagree with and criticize how Blizzard forces their rights back but it's not like South Korea owns the game. For all I know if they were really power and money hungry they could sue the hell out of Korea for stealing intellectual property and profiting from it for more than a decade like fish now with the in-game ads (Blizzard never really directly profited from their scene until recently, right?), but everyone knows that it would be a PR suicide so they seem to have some common sense in this matter.
I'd like the SD mode to get improved too, it looks really bad in comparison with 1.16. It's literally like they made the SD/HD changing button just for marketing purposes and to hear Artosis and Tasteless go "look guys how the game looked before the awesome remaster", except no, it never looked that way. Well maybe if I squint my eyes to a point where I can barely see. I have nothing against SC:R though as a whole
It's a weird alternate reality people are in when people are blaming Blizzard for killing the game when there are more people online playing than there had been in years. If they killed Fish by coming in and fixing their servers with a better ladder system then that is fine by me. Yeah, they can do a better job with the 1.16 graphics and sorting out some of the fringe errors giving people problems but I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Well if this is true then I have no more to say, how much did the server upkeep cost? Were the people attending to it getting paid as well, or was it some sort of "charity" work? I don't know how it looked
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.
I believe he's saying that they got an agreement from Blizzard to pay the fee but they didn't.
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.
If Blizzard said they were going to help out monetarily and then backed off then I understand the sentiment, probably it just has to do with people actually profiting from Fish ad revenue and they are just shutting it down because they weren't going to make any money off of it anymore. If this is true then I agree. No reason for Blizzard to pay guys to run a pirate... uhm private server
EDIT: on a side note, if SC:R is such an unplayable mess right now, why top Korean streamers are still playing it? Is Mike Morhaime holding them hostage? I figure they are in a unique position and have more or less of an influence on the game, if it's really so bad they could just go back to the flawless 1.16 and it would be an issue for Blizzard forcing them to do something.
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.
I believe he's saying that they got an agreement from Blizzard to pay the fee but they didn't.
I would like to see actual evidence that Blizzard agreed to pay Fish a fee. It makes no sense.
On October 04 2017 00:29 CobaltBlu wrote:I don't know what that has to do with Fish closing.
In return for lost advertisement slot, blizzard assured fee coverage. Advertisements paid for the server.
Blizzard did not pay fee...
Why would Blizzard pay a fee to keep Fish around. They lost out on advertising because people stopped playing there while they were allowed to offer the same service they had been in the past.
If Blizzard said they were going to help out monetarily and then backed off then I understand the sentiment, probably it just has to do with people actually profiting from Fish ad revenue and they are just shutting it down because they weren't going to make any money off of it anymore. If this is true then I agree. No reason for Blizzard to pay guys to run a pirate... uhm private server
EDIT: on a side note, if SC:R is such an unplayable mess right now, why top Korean streamers are still playing it? Is Mike Morhaime holding them hostage? I figure they are in a unique position and have more or less of an influence on the game, if it's really so bad they could just go back to the flawless 1.16 and it would be an issue for Blizzard forcing them to do something.
Yes actually in a way he is, because ASL is now required to play on RM and of course the players are going to want to practice on the version that they will be playing the tourney in.
That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings
As I hit 2000-2100 points, I get more and more koreans and from Hungary every second game is close to unplayable againts them. Then I lose/leave 10 games and the ping is good once again.
I don't know. If pros switch to brain, then the problem is absolutely insane. But until then I believe blizzard will do their best to fix ladder and lag
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings
If i get that good of routing living in backwoods middle of no where i fear for the rest of the worlds internet I guess.
On October 05 2017 10:48 GGzerG wrote: Soo....how do you play on Brain? Or...only KR IP's are allowed on Brain right?
You should ask your former clanmates, I am sure they know.
hard to ask them when you basically as i recall ran the bot by virtue of them letting you and then using that to act like you were good enough to play them and be in the clan i think.
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings
If i get that good of routing living in backwoods middle of no where i fear for the rest of the worlds internet I guess.
On October 05 2017 10:48 GGzerG wrote: Soo....how do you play on Brain? Or...only KR IP's are allowed on Brain right?
You should ask your former clanmates, I am sure they know.
hard to ask them when you basically as i recall ran the bot by virtue of them letting you and then using that to act like you were good enough to play them and be in the clan i think.
On October 04 2017 03:52 lemmata wrote: That video is a bit outdated. For example, Best's comments are from August. There have been many patches since then. Also, it is normal on Afreeca to exaggerate stuff like this.
Of course, SCR still has some problems, but videos like this are very misleading. Also, that last bit about "Most pros have to play with a very high latency setting, which causes a lot of delay" is false. They most certainly do not change the in-game network latency setting. If the video is referring to the turn rate, they always use 16 for sponsored games. The ladder turn rate has been increased to 12 from 8. The statement that "A lot of the game is unplayable because of lag" is also very questionable. They play so many games on Afreeca that you will be able to find many laggy games on stream, but at any given point in time, most games shown by the streamers are not laggy at all.
Blizzard should fix the problems that do occur, but we should maintain a sense of proportion. There is now a myth going around that 1.16 was some perfect lag-free version, but there were many laggy 1.16 games streamed on Afreeca as well. Most games were lag free, but if you play so many games, then you will get many laggy games just by chance as well. Online tournaments experienced this issue on 1.16 as well from time to time.
Things are okay. They could and should be better, but there's no great crisis here.
Starcraft was never anywhere near this laggy. You had a lagger here and there and that was fine but every other game is laggy now.
Not sure what game you're playing but people aren't complaining, wasting their time on forums and videos for fun i can tell you that much.
The bugs are forgivable, every game has bugs, whatever we can live with that. But the lag is unacceptable. We pre-ordered a game and expected bugs but not lag to the extent that we can't even play what was payed for.
I don't care how supportive you feel or how you wanna justify every little bit to avoid ruining the reputation of an once amazing game. You have to accept that this release is unacceptable. Unless you're the 1 out of a thousand people who aren't lagging every other game?
Every single one of my old starcraft friends is dealing with lag. It's not a myth, it's not being exaggerated. It's very much alive and kicking and more than ever.
I been playing this since 2000 and I don't remember a phase where it was anywhere near this laggy and I'm including the days when everyone was playing starcraft on aol dial up. This is out of control and unforgivable. If it takes 200 posts to convince blizz to post up some dedicated servers or create a similar program/set up to mcalauncher///wlauncher then that is what must be done.
People payed money already. It's either that or start deciding how they will do a mass refund. I can't find any other alternative. If this is the level of buggyness//laggyness we were suppose to expect then maybe remastered should have been free instead. At least for the people who had already purchased the game.
I don't know but i'm very disapointed with the result blizz thinks is remastered worthy and im becoming even more frustrated with the people trying to justify it.
They wont give you a mass refund, sorry.
As for myself I havent had a single game since I played with any of the lag everyone else talks about or any of the various other bugs
Well thats great.You likely live in a city with decent routing to South Korea.I know Eastern Europe is bad with pings to SK .Budapest 314 m/s compared to Washington DC 187 m/s. https://wondernetwork.com/pings
If i get that good of routing living in backwoods middle of no where i fear for the rest of the worlds internet I guess.
On October 05 2017 12:48 Jealous wrote:
On October 05 2017 10:48 GGzerG wrote: Soo....how do you play on Brain? Or...only KR IP's are allowed on Brain right?
You should ask your former clanmates, I am sure they know.
hard to ask them when you basically as i recall ran the bot by virtue of them letting you and then using that to act like you were good enough to play them and be in the clan i think.
Why you gotta spoil the joke -_-;
Wait, why you using "you"
Arb are you drunk again
stop that
pls
i just quoted the nearest post, my bad lolol. ignore your post being there did that really not make any sense
I have had 1 game with lag out of ~300, and that was against a korean. Otherwise absolutely 0 lag..... I do have had like 10-15 games that just instant shuts down for no reason :/
On October 05 2017 17:42 Pippah wrote: I have had 1 game with lag out of ~300, and that was against a korean. Otherwise absolutely 0 lag..... I do have had like 10-15 games that just instant shuts down for no reason :/
the problem is that the people in higher mmr's get games ONLY against koreans, so every single game is like that one game you had.
IMPORTANT BrainClan Etiquette, or "How To Not Be A Foreigner" It is absolutely critical that foreigners do not stick out too badly on the Brain server. Foreigner IPs were banned from Brain before for this reason. A lot of behavior used on iCCup is considered too rude for the server. Overall, I feel they are more professional than iCCup, and this must be taken into account.
I urge you to read the following if you intend to play on Brain at all, so that everyone may enjoy the benefits of having unbanned IPs for us foreigners:
- The overall idea is blend in, don't piss Koreans off, keep us unbanned. - Wait a good ten hours after making account (policy, you must in order to play a ranked ladder match 1v1). - Make games with mini-launcher and #LL or #L2 for LAN latency. If you do not know how to use LatencyChanger for Chaos/minilauncher, practice on USEast to make sure you have it working.. ;p - Do not smurf or make multiple accounts (for the purpose of stomping n00bs anyway). Koreans hate this. They say this is what iCCup is for. - Do not chat in the ladder channels. Find someone near your rank, and whisper them the gamename/password. They will say "go" or something similar if they agree. - Have the Korean maps. [See just above this for link] - From my personal experience with having Korean friends, they take swearing, especially f-bombs, a lot more personally then we do here. It means more. Respect that, and only drop BM if you really, really mean it, and be prepared for the consequences.. (including getting us banned again you jackass. ;P) - I am unsure if installing a Korean language pack is actually necessary. If you want to host a public game, it may stand out to use the English alphabet instead of Korean. See under "Details and Korean Language Pack" spoiler above.