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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 04:01:12
August 01 2016 02:34 GMT
#1
#1 Flash (Partner BJ)

Total Star Ballons - 529,255
Total Earning - 40,943,166 Wons ($36,811.18 USD)

#2 Bisu (Best BJ)

Total Star Ballons - 500,380
Total Earning - 33,870,722 Wons ($30,452.49 USD)

#3 Shuttle (Best BJ)

Total Star Balloons - 490,422
Total Earning - 33,196,665 Wons ($29,846.46 USD)

#4 Best (Best BJ)

Total Star Balloons - 252,646
Total Earning - 17,101,607 Wons ($15,375.71 USD)

#5 Sea (Best BJ)

Total Star Balloons - 248,712
Total Earning - 16,835,315 Wons ($15,136.30 USD)

#6 Larva (Best BJ)

Total Star Balloons - 220,008
Total Earning - 14,892,341 Wons ($13,389.41 USD)

#7 Hero (Best BJ)
Total Star Balloons - 203,845
Total Earning - 13,798,268 Wons ($12,405.75 USD)

#8 Effort (Best BJ)
Total Star Balloons - 184,818
Total Earning - 12,510,330 Wons ($11,247.79 USD)

#9 Mind (Best BJ)
Total Star Balloons - 155,853
Total Earning - 10,549,689 Wons ($9,485.01 USD)

#10 Free (Best BJ)
Total Star Balloons - 130,941
Total Earning - 8,563,396 Wons ($7,699.18 USD)

NOTE:
-These earnings don't include the money players receive from other things such as ads and sponsoring companies, tournament earnings.
-Partner BJs receive 80%, Best BJs receive 70%, Regular BJs receive 60%
(Flash and NaDa are the only Partner BJs out of all Starcraft BJs)
-Partner BJs also receive money from ads Afreeca puts on the streams
-Shuttle received more balloons than Flash in the month of June but earned less because Flash is a Partner BJ.
-There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.
-I only included BJs that have BW as their main content.(Excluded people like terror and britney)

Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
August 01 2016 02:36 GMT
#2
Bisu declined like a baller.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 01 2016 02:44 GMT
#3
Shuttle streams the most out of any starcraft bjs.
"Shuttle streams till his heart stops"-Sea-
While Flash puts in a lot less hours than most of these guys.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 01 2016 03:22 GMT
#4
On August 01 2016 11:36 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu declined like a baller.


why?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 01 2016 03:26 GMT
#5
Wow 30k in just a month? That's a sick life lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51454 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 03:37:21
August 01 2016 03:36 GMT
#6
On August 01 2016 12:22 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 11:36 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu declined like a baller.


why?


he didn't want to do any of the afreeca event stuff that the partner bj's do

edit: for reference the highest earner bj (yu sona) earned 100,000,000 in balloon revenue alone.
Commentator
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 03:46:13
August 01 2016 03:44 GMT
#7
Terror makes 40KUSD a month just from Youtube alone. He makes around 140K USD a month from Youtube, Afreeca(Ballons, Ads, Events etc.), and Sponsors(also Ads).
He doesn't even exchange balloons to cash. I guess he's saving it for a rainy day.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 01 2016 03:45 GMT
#8
On August 01 2016 12:36 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 12:22 duke91 wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu declined like a baller.


why?


he didn't want to do any of the afreeca event stuff that the partner bj's do

edit: for reference the highest earner bj (yu sona) earned 100,000,000 in balloon revenue alone.

He also has to leave kongdoo.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 04:01:33
August 01 2016 03:58 GMT
#9
Brtiney is very transparent about how much he makes. He reveals how much he makes at the end of every month.
"Most of what I make is from viewers. It is only fair that I share how much I make to my viwers" -Britney-
He makes close to 40K USD a month.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 01 2016 04:59 GMT
#10
I wonder when was the last time I saw Britney stream.
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 05:00 GMT
#11
The amount of money is real? There are credible sources for this? Thats a lot of money.

If so, this is the future of gaming, only the best players can make tho.
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 05:03 GMT
#12
On August 01 2016 12:58 classicyellow83 wrote:
Brtiney is very transparent about how much he makes. He reveals how much he makes at the end of every month.
"Most of what I make is from viewers. It is only fair that I share how much I make to my viwers" -Britney-
He makes close to 40K USD a month.


So, is real, wow i cannot believe this!
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 05:09:34
August 01 2016 05:05 GMT
#13
btw for anyone curious or questioning sources, you can look at the daily balloon earnings of Afreeca BJs from this site, which compiles statistics from korean Afreeca site
(provided you know their afreeca nicknames of course)

starlog.ml

their balloons earnings for the day is shown at the end of every name section
ygosu also gets their data from this website
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 01 2016 05:07 GMT
#14
On August 01 2016 14:00 tumejoramigo wrote:
The amount of money is real? There are credible sources for this? Thats a lot of money.

If so, this is the future of gaming, only the best players can make tho.

I got it from here. Source
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 05:12 GMT
#15
On August 01 2016 14:07 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 14:00 tumejoramigo wrote:
The amount of money is real? There are credible sources for this? Thats a lot of money.

If so, this is the future of gaming, only the best players can make tho.

I got it from here. Source



Thanks, im spechless, what do you know about twitch.tv streameears? in general the viewers pay more or less than afreeca tv viewers?
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 05:15:15
August 01 2016 05:15 GMT
#16
On August 01 2016 14:12 tumejoramigo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 14:07 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 01 2016 14:00 tumejoramigo wrote:
The amount of money is real? There are credible sources for this? Thats a lot of money.

If so, this is the future of gaming, only the best players can make tho.

I got it from here. Source



Thanks, im spechless, what do you know about twitch.tv streameears? in general the viewers pay more or less than afreeca tv viewers?

I just started twitch today. LOL! to watch scan.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 01 2016 05:15 GMT
#17
britney not featured anymore?
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 01 2016 05:17 GMT
#18
Britney plays more overwatch than bw. He does a lot of other contents. He rarely plays bw anymore.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 05:39:21
August 01 2016 05:38 GMT
#19
I meant to edit. not quote. sorry
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
August 01 2016 06:14 GMT
#20
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 08:46:12
August 01 2016 08:43 GMT
#21
Thanks for the info classicyellow83.
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.

I wouldn't say that these numbers are mind blowing, they are close to the average EU salary (3000 EUR/month) and the average salary in South Korea (2900 $/month) according to Google. The fact that they don't spend 8h on streaming is of course increasing the $/hour rate.
This is very good news, BW is alive and kicking.
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
August 01 2016 08:58 GMT
#22
classicyellow83 do you have numbers for others sc streamers?
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
August 01 2016 09:02 GMT
#23
On August 01 2016 17:43 letian wrote:
Thanks for the info classicyellow83.
Show nested quote +
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.

I wouldn't say that these numbers are mind blowing, they are close to the average EU salary (3000 EUR/month) and the average salary in South Korea (2900 $/month) according to Google. The fact that they don't spend 8h on streaming is of course increasing the $/hour rate.
This is very good news, BW is alive and kicking.


How 30 000 $ is close to 3 000 $?
INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 09:44:58
August 01 2016 09:35 GMT
#24
On August 01 2016 17:43 letian wrote:
Thanks for the info classicyellow83.
Show nested quote +
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.

I wouldn't say that these numbers are mind blowing, they are close to the average EU salary (3000 EUR/month) and the average salary in South Korea (2900 $/month) according to Google. The fact that they don't spend 8h on streaming is of course increasing the $/hour rate.
This is very good news, BW is alive and kicking.


Bro, trolling? or blind?
the best players are earning roughly
$30000
USD
PER MONTH
don't even talk about $/hour, its insanely high lmao

the others hardly earn much but irregardless, what the top earners get is mind blowing compared to your average office worker.
lagcats
Profile Joined February 2016
172 Posts
August 01 2016 09:50 GMT
#25
holy fk these utube money earnings, i'll do dis asap.
http://www.twitter.com/lagcats <---> http://www.twitch.tv/lagcats Challenger League of Legends player.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 09:59 GMT
#26
On August 01 2016 18:35 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 17:43 letian wrote:
Thanks for the info classicyellow83.
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.

I wouldn't say that these numbers are mind blowing, they are close to the average EU salary (3000 EUR/month) and the average salary in South Korea (2900 $/month) according to Google. The fact that they don't spend 8h on streaming is of course increasing the $/hour rate.
This is very good news, BW is alive and kicking.


Bro, trolling? or blind?
the best players are earning roughly
$30000
USD
PER MONTH
don't even talk about $/hour, its insanely high lmao

the others hardly earn much but irregardless, what the top earners get is mind blowing compared to your average office worker.


I think he was reading those numbers as per year... It's per month though...
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
August 01 2016 10:09 GMT
#27
I am surprised Mind earns that much, he only has like 300 viewers max, unless there is a sponsored match. Some viewers must really have a lot of money.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 10:47:41
August 01 2016 10:47 GMT
#28
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 11:22:00
August 01 2016 11:21 GMT
#29
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


shit, i dont have even 1k$ per month -.-
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 11:24 GMT
#30
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


Dont forget that Seul, South Korea is the Mecca of E-sports.

We all have unique talents, we must find them and express and get paid.
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 11:29 GMT
#31
On August 01 2016 20:21 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


shit, i dont have even 1k$ per month -.-


Are you the creator of mca64?

1K is easy to get...
But 30K for playing a game? i think is too much...
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 11:31 GMT
#32
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 11:34 GMT
#33
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...


Good one. Football players income are a joke...

I read somewhere that CR7 earns in 2 or 3 day the yearly income of Obama!
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 11:35:45
August 01 2016 11:34 GMT
#34
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


My first thoughts after reading the first post

But we can donate to these players and make them even richer, yay! ;D
INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 01 2016 11:48 GMT
#35
On August 01 2016 14:05 Probemicro wrote:
btw for anyone curious or questioning sources, you can look at the daily balloon earnings of Afreeca BJs from this site, which compiles statistics from korean Afreeca site
(provided you know their afreeca nicknames of course)

starlog.ml

their balloons earnings for the day is shown at the end of every name section
ygosu also gets their data from this website


Thanks!
I watch Flash stream on his youtube channel on the nights. Really imprresive skills.

Now i know why he always make a bows and thanks a lot. He recieve ballons=money!!!

I will also make bows for earning 40k per mont lol.

Is like chaturbate, people show skills/body for money only, lol.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 12:25 GMT
#36
On August 01 2016 20:34 tumejoramigo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...


Good one. Football players income are a joke...

I read somewhere that CR7 earns in 2 or 3 day the yearly income of Obama!


Yes, it's disgusting.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 12:41:24
August 01 2016 12:40 GMT
#37
On August 01 2016 18:35 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 17:43 letian wrote:
Thanks for the info classicyellow83.
The top few players are earning well, but the rest of starcraft 1 streamers are actually making very little. Its not sustainable for them. The numbers are mind blowing, but also are misrepresenting of the star1 player base earnings as a whole.

I wouldn't say that these numbers are mind blowing, they are close to the average EU salary (3000 EUR/month) and the average salary in South Korea (2900 $/month) according to Google. The fact that they don't spend 8h on streaming is of course increasing the $/hour rate.
This is very good news, BW is alive and kicking.


Bro, trolling? or blind?
the best players are earning roughly
$30000
USD
PER MONTH
don't even talk about $/hour, its insanely high lmao

the others hardly earn much but irregardless, what the top earners get is mind blowing compared to your average office worker.

Oh shit, I was probably half-asleep when I wrote that and thought it was a year salary.
Hahaha, my bad.
Oh shit, they earn so much, like x10 more than an average EU and Korea salary ;D
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 12:52:28
August 01 2016 12:50 GMT
#38
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...

Here, where? I've been earning $1100 but that was like a lot in my country and I knew that for that same job ppl in US were getting payed like x10 more and I think it was very unfair.
Also, imagine these guys were working hard like almost all their youth and basically have no other knowledge or experience other than BW. If it was not for Afreeca or other streaming services where would they go? Dish washing? It is actually very fair, in my opinion, that they are getting payed for their incredible skills in one of the most difficult E-sport games. Also, how many of the total number of former BW pros are getting payed that much?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
August 01 2016 12:56 GMT
#39
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...

Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion.
Ruff_kz
Profile Joined August 2015
Kazakhstan36 Posts
August 01 2016 13:25 GMT
#40
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 13:25 GMT
#41
On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...

Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion.


Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 13:39:16
August 01 2016 13:38 GMT
#42
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa. Hes the first one to get it.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 13:58:09
August 01 2016 13:57 GMT
#43
On August 01 2016 22:25 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...

Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion.


Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat.

My point is, the player has no education except the knowledge of kicking the ball, not the best skill to have when you are in your 30s.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 14:00 GMT
#44
On August 01 2016 22:57 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 22:25 Miragee wrote:
On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:
On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players...

Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion.


Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat.

My point is, the player has no education except the knowledge of kicking the ball, not the best skill to have when you are in your 30s.



Did you even read what I wrote?
SonnyC
Profile Joined May 2016
Netherlands17 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 14:03:09
August 01 2016 14:02 GMT
#45
On August 01 2016 22:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa. Hes the first one to get it.


I don't understand why NaDa only has around 200 views most of the time.. He is one of the greatest right? Where are all his fans?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51454 Posts
August 01 2016 14:14 GMT
#46
99% of the time he doesn't even play serious bw, just ums or non-bw games.
Commentator
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 01 2016 14:24 GMT
#47
On August 01 2016 23:02 SonnyC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 22:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa. Hes the first one to get it.


I don't understand why NaDa only has around 200 views most of the time.. He is one of the greatest right? Where are all his fans?

He lost many viwers by not playing bw but doing other contents(mind craft,csgo, sudden attack and other silly games).
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 01 2016 15:28 GMT
#48
36k a month. Flash still has god tier decision making.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 01 2016 15:30 GMT
#49
On August 02 2016 00:28 royalroadweed wrote:
36k a month. Flash still has god tier decision making.


dat macro
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Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
August 01 2016 15:49 GMT
#50
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 01 2016 16:42 GMT
#51
We need a proleague.
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
August 01 2016 17:19 GMT
#52
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
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On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa.


On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.

That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
August 01 2016 17:19 GMT
#53
On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.


As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game.

However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news.
Life is just life
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 01 2016 17:26 GMT
#54
On August 02 2016 02:19 Shinokuki wrote:
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On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.


As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game.

However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news.


This is what they said when Boxer went to the army as well.
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
August 01 2016 17:29 GMT
#55
It's crazy how much people donate, I'd like to know if the donations come mainly from rich people who can afford it or just silly kids/young adults who throw their money at people that are already 100x richer than them. I'm only 29 but I already feel like I'm too old to understand this lol. The same donation frenzy is happening on twitch too nowadays, it seems like ad money isn't even 1% of a streamers' earnings now. Flash I like you but I'm not going to give you my hard earned money, sorry
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
August 01 2016 17:49 GMT
#56
On August 02 2016 02:19 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa.


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On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.

That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.

The problem with crowd funding is all the rich donors only want to give money to their favorite players. They are unwilling to put it in a prize pool when they want to just give it directly to their favorite. We would need to find incentives for the big money donors to get behind crowd funding.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France329 Posts
August 01 2016 17:50 GMT
#57
WHERE IS MONG??

I always see big afreeca numbers on the sidebar for him
No bad days
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 18:05:31
August 01 2016 18:05 GMT
#58
On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.

I bet if Flash, Bisu and Shuttle invested part of their income in a tournament for youngsters the effect would be significant. But who am I to demand, I am happy for the guys, they definitely deserve it, just wondered if they realize what power is in their own hands.
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France329 Posts
August 01 2016 18:09 GMT
#59
On August 02 2016 02:26 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:19 Shinokuki wrote:
On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.


As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game.

However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news.


This is what they said when Boxer went to the army as well.


Yeah but you can't compare : BW was still a pro game kicking with big competitions and sponsorships, and it was still played in the pc bangs. I'm not korean but i doubt a lot of kids choose to play BW over LOL or overwatch (or SC2 lol).

I think most of the BW viewers are the old fans who used to watch the competitions back in the day.

On the bright side oldies like nada or injured people like flash can still play good so they are good for some years.
No bad days
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
August 01 2016 18:27 GMT
#60
On August 02 2016 02:49 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:19 lestye wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa.


On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.

That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.

The problem with crowd funding is all the rich donors only want to give money to their favorite players. They are unwilling to put it in a prize pool when they want to just give it directly to their favorite. We would need to find incentives for the big money donors to get behind crowd funding.

I would think that the pros would be able to sway them to donate something. I wouldn't expect a league to get 30k a month, but I think if we got them to throw the competitions a bone, that'd be legit.

But I do suppose you have a point, there's a reason why some streamers are so goddam rich, meanwhile the Kim Carry league isn't as big as people wished it would be. (Although.... I think if we saw some streamers act against their own self interest, they could encourage more donors for these type of events.... I'd imagine it would act like a full tip jar type of effect)
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
August 01 2016 18:54 GMT
#61
On August 02 2016 03:27 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:49 BisuDagger wrote:
On August 02 2016 02:19 lestye wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer.

Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?

NaDa.


On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.

That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.

The problem with crowd funding is all the rich donors only want to give money to their favorite players. They are unwilling to put it in a prize pool when they want to just give it directly to their favorite. We would need to find incentives for the big money donors to get behind crowd funding.

I would think that the pros would be able to sway them to donate something. I wouldn't expect a league to get 30k a month, but I think if we got them to throw the competitions a bone, that'd be legit.

But I do suppose you have a point, there's a reason why some streamers are so goddam rich, meanwhile the Kim Carry league isn't as big as people wished it would be. (Although.... I think if we saw some streamers act against their own self interest, they could encourage more donors for these type of events.... I'd imagine it would act like a full tip jar type of effect)


I think pros can do that. Some saved up a lot of money. Sea said he has saved up 1.3 million so far. Koreans speculate that for flash its almost 4 million. they got lot of money.
Life is just life
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
August 01 2016 19:03 GMT
#62
There seems to be a much more mature philosophy of careful saving in Korea than the US, so I'm not surprised. In the interviews you'd always hear that the pros were sending their winnings to their parents to save/invest.

I think BW can pull in a new generation. It isn't a normal video game where all that matters is graphics. It's something different. Like...nobody thinks that fancier board games like Settlers of Catan is going to replace chess.

The critical piece might be a new patch by Blizz for modern compatibility.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 21:09:16
August 01 2016 19:23 GMT
#63
They make more in a day than I make in a month.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
August 01 2016 20:26 GMT
#64
What does BJ stand for? I am thinking of something inappropriate but I am sure there is a normal definition you guys are using.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 01 2016 20:47 GMT
#65
broadcasting jockey. Also, brood war is still played, last I heard it's consistently in the top 10 most played games in pc bangs.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 01 2016 22:28 GMT
#66
As much as these guys make, it is still much smaller than what Terror makes. It's still like the SC2 foreign scene, where making an ass of yourself is more lucrative than being one of the best players around.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
August 01 2016 22:30 GMT
#67
On August 02 2016 07:28 andrewlt wrote:
As much as these guys make, it is still much smaller than what Terror makes. It's still like the SC2 foreign scene, where making an ass of yourself is more lucrative than being one of the best players around.


It's like everywhere. The shit entertainment earns the biggest amount of money.
WinterStarcraft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States109 Posts
August 01 2016 23:21 GMT
#68
Is there any reason Starcraft 2 pros in Korea don't seem to stream on Afreeca (or at least never featured on TL and I don't speak Korean)? I know it isn't as popular as Brood War has always been but surprising at least a few players like Maru or Zest could potentially draw in viewers.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
August 01 2016 23:48 GMT
#69
On August 02 2016 08:21 WinterStarcraft wrote:
Is there any reason Starcraft 2 pros in Korea don't seem to stream on Afreeca (or at least never featured on TL and I don't speak Korean)? I know it isn't as popular as Brood War has always been but surprising at least a few players like Maru or Zest could potentially draw in viewers.

I believe it is not kespa sanctioned and team sponsors dont allow it.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51454 Posts
August 01 2016 23:52 GMT
#70
kespa teams (in theory) have an exclusivity contract with azubu but sc2 teams aren't obliged to stream games so they dont
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2016 00:24 GMT
#71
I guess there are no viewers who would want to watch Maru or Zest tbh.
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WinterStarcraft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States109 Posts
August 02 2016 00:53 GMT
#72
On August 02 2016 08:52 GTR wrote:
kespa teams (in theory) have an exclusivity contract with azubu but sc2 teams aren't obliged to stream games so they dont


Interesting, thanks
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
August 02 2016 00:59 GMT
#73
What's going on with the SC2 scene in Korea anyway? Are young ppl playing it?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
August 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#74
On August 02 2016 08:21 WinterStarcraft wrote:
Is there any reason Starcraft 2 pros in Korea don't seem to stream on Afreeca (or at least never featured on TL and I don't speak Korean)? I know it isn't as popular as Brood War has always been but surprising at least a few players like Maru or Zest could potentially draw in viewers.


Not to be rude or anything but the fact that one of sc2's best players RAIN had to stream bw to get at least 100 viewers for his stream says it all. There seems to be no sc2 scene in afreeca.
Life is just life
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 07:33:57
August 02 2016 07:28 GMT
#75
On August 02 2016 09:59 Dante08 wrote:
What's going on with the SC2 scene in Korea anyway? Are young ppl playing it?


Checked http://www.gametrics.com/ last week and Starcraft2 had like 1% from all the "RTS" games (LoL, WC3, Broodwar etc) LoL had over 80%. Wish i knew Korean and could link the chart.

I guess those are PC-bang numbers.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 02 2016 07:59 GMT
#76
On August 02 2016 16:28 Grettin wrote:
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On August 02 2016 09:59 Dante08 wrote:
What's going on with the SC2 scene in Korea anyway? Are young ppl playing it?


Checked http://www.gametrics.com/ last week and Starcraft2 had like 1% from all the "RTS" games (LoL, WC3, Broodwar etc) LoL had over 80%. Wish i knew Korean and could link the chart.

I guess those are PC-bang numbers.


The filters aren't working for me right now but the overall rankings are..

Overwatch
League of Legends
FIFA Online 3
Sudden Attack
Maple Story
Starcraft (1)
Dungeon Fighter
Lineage
Blade and Soul
Aion

That seems about right for when I visit a PC Bang too.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 02 2016 08:09 GMT
#77
On August 02 2016 16:59 Draconicfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 16:28 Grettin wrote:
On August 02 2016 09:59 Dante08 wrote:
What's going on with the SC2 scene in Korea anyway? Are young ppl playing it?


Checked http://www.gametrics.com/ last week and Starcraft2 had like 1% from all the "RTS" games (LoL, WC3, Broodwar etc) LoL had over 80%. Wish i knew Korean and could link the chart.

I guess those are PC-bang numbers.


The filters aren't working for me right now but the overall rankings are..

Overwatch
League of Legends
FIFA Online 3
Sudden Attack
Maple Story
Starcraft (1)
Dungeon Fighter
Lineage
Blade and Soul
Aion

That seems about right for when I visit a PC Bang too.

Yep! Actually i found the chart i was talking about. http://www.gametrics.com/news/News02_View.aspx?seqid=28079

Genre Rank RTS

League of Legends (84,13%)
Starcraft (9,06%)
Warcraft 3 (3,54%)
Starcraft 2 (1,73%)
Heroes of the Storm (0,62%)
Dota 2 (0,52%)
Chaos Online (0,39%)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 02 2016 11:48 GMT
#78
And that is only PC bang. I guess people tend to play BW at home due to preference for mouse/keyboard is much more important. Most people can pirate/have alot of copies of BW, while SC2 you need to invest 100$ etc so people tend to go to the PC bang to play SC2.
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
August 02 2016 12:24 GMT
#79
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...

Most people I know would chop their nuts off for 1.2k a month.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
August 02 2016 16:03 GMT
#80
anything over 5000 dollars/month is nuts... Not bad.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 02 2016 16:59 GMT
#81
Wow, they all make a TON more than I expected they would be earning. I like that Flash is still so popular in Korea.
Flash | Mvp
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
August 02 2016 17:31 GMT
#82
On August 01 2016 20:29 tumejoramigo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 20:21 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


shit, i dont have even 1k$ per month -.-


Are you the creator of mca64?

1K is easy to get...
But 30K for playing a game? i think is too much...


Yes, i am mca64
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France329 Posts
August 02 2016 17:43 GMT
#83
Interesting PC bang numbers, thanks for that, I had no idea BW was still kicking this much
No bad days
tumejoramigo
Profile Joined August 2016
33 Posts
August 04 2016 08:48 GMT
#84
On August 03 2016 02:31 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 20:29 tumejoramigo wrote:
On August 01 2016 20:21 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


shit, i dont have even 1k$ per month -.-


Are you the creator of mca64?

1K is easy to get...
But 30K for playing a game? i think is too much...


Yes, i am mca64


Contraz on your app man, you are famous. I did donate around 2 years ago a small amount. I hope you make it in life!
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
August 09 2016 13:06 GMT
#85
On August 04 2016 17:48 tumejoramigo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 02:31 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
On August 01 2016 20:29 tumejoramigo wrote:
On August 01 2016 20:21 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
On August 01 2016 19:47 Wrath wrote:
I'm here making $1000 a month.

Maybe I should just kill myself...


shit, i dont have even 1k$ per month -.-


Are you the creator of mca64?

1K is easy to get...
But 30K for playing a game? i think is too much...


Yes, i am mca64


Contraz on your app man, you are famous. I did donate around 2 years ago a small amount. I hope you make it in life!


thank you
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 09 2016 18:36 GMT
#86
thanks for sharing this, glad BW players can still make a decent living.
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Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 19:41:04
August 09 2016 19:40 GMT
#87
Wow, the top three earn more than most people make in a year. Super happy for them!

Also, Shuttle making about as much as Bisu is shocking to me. Jaedong needs to get on this train already!
mauwee
Profile Joined August 2013
Vatican City State78 Posts
August 10 2016 00:25 GMT
#88
Wow, the top ten earn more than most people make in a year. Super happy for them!
If what you say is true the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 10 2016 03:36 GMT
#89
On August 10 2016 04:40 Masheyoon wrote:
Also, Shuttle making about as much as Bisu is shocking to me. Jaedong needs to get on this train already!

I think it's because he started streaming before Bisu did and so he earned a following plus being STX's captain must've helped?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Sonny-
Profile Joined July 2016
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 05:29:37
August 10 2016 05:28 GMT
#90
On August 10 2016 12:36 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 04:40 Masheyoon wrote:
Also, Shuttle making about as much as Bisu is shocking to me. Jaedong needs to get on this train already!

I think it's because he started streaming before Bisu did and so he earned a following plus being STX's captain must've helped?

And I think because he streams wayyy more than Bisu does. I see Shuttle online almost all the time
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 10 2016 09:00 GMT
#91
I think Shuttle is always begging for balloons.
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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 10:56 GMT
#92
On August 10 2016 18:00 endy wrote:
I think Shuttle is always begging for balloons.

He is very good at "Encouraging" viewers to give him balloons. Most of his balloons come from few. He has several super fans willing to give him many balloons. Plus, he is funny as hell. Some people don't like him but you gotta admit hes funny as hell.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 11:03 GMT
#93
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 10 2016 11:06 GMT
#94
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 11:08 GMT
#95
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 10 2016 11:09 GMT
#96
On August 10 2016 20:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.


LOL then there will never be an official game at all!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 11:11 GMT
#97
On August 10 2016 20:09 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 20:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.


LOL then there will never be an official game at all!

Unless Proleague switches to BW. =(
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
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Last Edited: 2016-08-10 11:13:50
August 10 2016 11:13 GMT
#98
On August 10 2016 20:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
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On August 10 2016 20:09 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.


LOL then there will never be an official game at all!

Unless Proleague switches to BW. =(


Hopefully...

Edit: But then would they switch to KeSPA team or stay regular BJs?
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 11:20 GMT
#99
On August 10 2016 20:13 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 20:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:09 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.


LOL then there will never be an official game at all!

Unless Proleague switches to BW. =(


Hopefully...

Edit: But then would they switch to KeSPA team or stay regular BJs?

Probably not. Especially the ones making MONEY.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 10 2016 11:28 GMT
#100
On August 10 2016 20:20 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 20:13 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:09 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:06 Wrath wrote:
On August 10 2016 20:03 classicyellow83 wrote:
Sea - "There are two people in the world I have never beaten. Flash in official matches and Shuttle in Star Balloons."
LOL


But he beat flash in official match.

ASL isn't considered a official match. Unless it's kespa sanctioned game it's not an official game.


LOL then there will never be an official game at all!

Unless Proleague switches to BW. =(


Hopefully...

Edit: But then would they switch to KeSPA team or stay regular BJs?

Probably not. Especially the ones making MONEY.


No KT Flash
No SKT Bisu
No SKT BeSt

.... This is nightmare...
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 10 2016 11:42 GMT
#101
Plus Flash is contracted with Afreeca for 3 years.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
August 10 2016 12:01 GMT
#102
On August 10 2016 20:42 classicyellow83 wrote:
Plus Flash is contracted with Afreeca for 3 years.


Freecs Flash... Sounds horrible...
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
August 10 2016 18:33 GMT
#103
What about Mong? How is he?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
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