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On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players... Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion.
Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat.
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On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?
NaDa. Hes the first one to get it.
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On August 01 2016 22:25 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players... Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion. Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat.
My point is, the player has no education except the knowledge of kicking the ball, not the best skill to have when you are in your 30s.
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On August 01 2016 22:57 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 22:25 Miragee wrote:On August 01 2016 21:56 letian wrote:On August 01 2016 20:31 Miragee wrote:
Yeah honestly. Compare that with the income of football players in europe. Those guys earn a disgusting amount of money, far more than these bw players... Keep in mind that a career of a football player does not last long, 35 and you're practically out. What you gonna do next? Coaching? Ads? You are still young at 35 and all you can do is play football. Even if you have pockets full of money this is just sad in my opinion. Eh what. You are from germany. In germany, clubs give a shit about their player's education so they can do something after they quit. You also got a lot of options like becoming a coach etc. right of the bat. My point is, the player has no education except the knowledge of kicking the ball, not the best skill to have when you are in your 30s.
Did you even read what I wrote?
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On August 01 2016 22:38 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW? NaDa. Hes the first one to get it.
I don't understand why NaDa only has around 200 views most of the time.. He is one of the greatest right? Where are all his fans?
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99% of the time he doesn't even play serious bw, just ums or non-bw games.
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On August 01 2016 23:02 SonnyC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 22:38 classicyellow83 wrote:On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW? NaDa. Hes the first one to get it. I don't understand why NaDa only has around 200 views most of the time.. He is one of the greatest right? Where are all his fans?
He lost many viwers by not playing bw but doing other contents(mind craft,csgo, sudden attack and other silly games).
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36k a month. Flash still has god tier decision making.
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On August 02 2016 00:28 royalroadweed wrote:
36k a month. Flash still has god tier decision making.
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Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.
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On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW?
NaDa.
On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.
That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.
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On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.
As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game.
However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news.
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On August 02 2016 02:19 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount. As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game. However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news.
This is what they said when Boxer went to the army as well.
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It's crazy how much people donate, I'd like to know if the donations come mainly from rich people who can afford it or just silly kids/young adults who throw their money at people that are already 100x richer than them. I'm only 29 but I already feel like I'm too old to understand this lol. The same donation frenzy is happening on twitch too nowadays, it seems like ad money isn't even 1% of a streamers' earnings now. Flash I like you but I'm not going to give you my hard earned money, sorry 
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On August 02 2016 02:19 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW? NaDa. Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount. That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast.
The problem with crowd funding is all the rich donors only want to give money to their favorite players. They are unwilling to put it in a prize pool when they want to just give it directly to their favorite. We would need to find incentives for the big money donors to get behind crowd funding.
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WHERE IS MONG??
I always see big afreeca numbers on the sidebar for him 
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On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount.
I bet if Flash, Bisu and Shuttle invested part of their income in a tournament for youngsters the effect would be significant. But who am I to demand, I am happy for the guys, they definitely deserve it, just wondered if they realize what power is in their own hands.
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On August 02 2016 02:26 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 02:19 Shinokuki wrote:On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount. As much as I love bw, there's really no chance of bw ever making a comeback when no youngsters want to play the game. It'll fade away when flash/jaedong/bisu and so many others go to army and overwatch/future games slowly destroy young bw playerbase. The final nail in the coffin would be all bwers get too old to play this game. However I'M optimistic that bw scene will go on for another 6-7 years so thats a good news. This is what they said when Boxer went to the army as well.
Yeah but you can't compare : BW was still a pro game kicking with big competitions and sponsorships, and it was still played in the pc bangs. I'm not korean but i doubt a lot of kids choose to play BW over LOL or overwatch (or SC2 lol).
I think most of the BW viewers are the old fans who used to watch the competitions back in the day.
On the bright side oldies like nada or injured people like flash can still play good so they are good for some years.
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On August 02 2016 02:49 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 02:19 lestye wrote:On August 01 2016 22:25 Ruff_kz wrote:On August 01 2016 11:34 classicyellow83 wrote:
There are only around 30 Partner BJs in the entire Afreeca. Having 2 in BW is amazing. Would have been 3 but Bisu declined the offer. Who is the second Partner BJ in BW? NaDa. On August 02 2016 00:49 Dental Floss wrote:
Those are insane numbers. I hope they invest some of it in tournaments, pro houses and other ventures that continue to sustain broodwar. Has there been any news on that front? Having the ASL be a prize pool of $16K is awesome, but compared to those numbers I would hope a big BW tournament would have 5x that amount. That was my take on it as well. Does Afreeca do anything special for the ASL tournaments they run? Like it'd make sense in this day and age to have some type of crowd funding based on balloons sold during a competitive broadcast. The problem with crowd funding is all the rich donors only want to give money to their favorite players. They are unwilling to put it in a prize pool when they want to just give it directly to their favorite. We would need to find incentives for the big money donors to get behind crowd funding.
I would think that the pros would be able to sway them to donate something. I wouldn't expect a league to get 30k a month, but I think if we got them to throw the competitions a bone, that'd be legit.
But I do suppose you have a point, there's a reason why some streamers are so goddam rich, meanwhile the Kim Carry league isn't as big as people wished it would be. (Although.... I think if we saw some streamers act against their own self interest, they could encourage more donors for these type of events.... I'd imagine it would act like a full tip jar type of effect)
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