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rand0MPrecisi0n
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6868 Posts
On March 20 2017 20:14 Stax736 wrote: Ouch Bisu losing 7 straight to Effort then losing to Flash. Bisu's PvZ and PvT is not up to snuff. Who's the best protoss as of now? Free, Stork? maybe effort and flash are beast ^_^,there is not a single protoss better than bisu,maybe mini can trick flash and take somes games,maybe free can win flash some games,but it doesnt mean they are better than Bisu. | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On March 20 2017 20:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: maybe effort and flash are beast ^_^,there is not a single protoss better than bisu,maybe mini can trick flash and take somes games,maybe free can win flash some games,but it doesnt mean they are better than Bisu. 7 straight losses to Effort? Even Movie can get a game off Effort, although Movie has been losing to Zero. I think Bisu can handle Zero. I would say Movie's PvT is stronger than Bisu's. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6868 Posts
On March 20 2017 20:22 Stax736 wrote: 7 straight losses to Effort? Even Movie can get a game off Effort, although Movie has been losing to Zero. I think Bisu can handle Zero. I would say Movie's PvT is stronger than Bisu's. so how this happened ? sponsored match ? bo5 bo3 bo3 ? bo3 bo5 bo3 ? bo3 bo3 bo5 ? i can see effort winning 4-0 and after that bisu just couldnt find his game anymore,could play 10 games and loss 10 i can see effort winning 3-0 and bisu titled so bad,maybe loss a game that he was suposed to win.after that he just couldnt keep the composture. in any case inflated result doesnt really mean that he sux,for example real madrid lossing 2-6 vs barcelona  (in that particular game they were.)but when u loss 3-0 there is always this danger to freely loss more games cuz u need to react and take risk. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On March 20 2017 20:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: so how this happened ? sponsored match ? bo5 bo3 bo3 ? bo3 bo5 bo3 ? bo3 bo3 bo5 ? i can see effort winning 4-0 and after that bisu just couldnt find his game anymore,could play 10 games and loss 10 i can see effort winning 3-0 and bisu titled so bad,maybe loss a game that he was suposed to win.after that he just couldnt keep the composture. in any case inflated result doesnt really mean that he sux,for example real madrid lossing 2-6 vs barcelona (in that particular game they were.)but when u loss 3-0 there is always this danger to freely loss more games cuz u need to react and take risk.I don't know if it was sponsored, they were constantly playing and Bisu constantly losing. His last match was against Flash and he lost. | ||
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ortseam
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eekmice
United States373 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On March 21 2017 08:19 eekmice wrote: for pvt, Horang2 and free look pretty good overall. Horang2's PvT this month : 5-15 (26.3%) Free's PvT this month : 22-23 (48.88%) So... No. Best and Bisu have the best PvT. Best sitting at 66% and Bisu sitting at 61%. Bisu is also first for PvZ and PvP. Bisu has the highest win rate as protoss and 3rd overall behind Flash and Effort. | ||
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eekmice
United States373 Posts
I agree that bisu is best but his winrate is exaggerated by playing people like ssak in multiple spon matches. Fuck if you wanna go by winrate, you prob have to put fbh or organ at the top because they're crushing it in the 아재리그. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Free had good run at PvT for a month in February. Terrans have figured him out and he's losing again. sSak has the third best TvP this year behind Flash and Last. Beating him doesn't exaggerate win rate. Even with 아재리그, they don't make top 5 because they lose all other spon matches. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On March 21 2017 20:13 classicyellow83 wrote: Horang2 never broke 30's ever since he came to afreeca. when you're PvT is in the 20's for several months, that's just who you are. Free had good run at PvT for a month in February. Terrans have figured him out and he's losing again. sSak has the third best TvP this year behind Flash and Last. Beating him doesn't exaggerate win rate. Even with 아재리그, they don't make top 5 because they lose all other spon matches. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://www.evidenceexplained.com/system/files/user/user199/Dragnet.jpg) | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
I really love him now I still feel happines when Zerg defeats him, though  | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On March 21 2017 20:50 Zera wrote: In pro days I really hated Flash, because of how dominant he was, but watching him now streaming, he seems to be such a likeable, honest and down to earth guy I really love him now I still feel happines when Zerg defeats him, though Soulkey vs Flash was a thing of beauty. Soulkey played out of his mind. Best game of 2017 so far. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On March 21 2017 20:13 classicyellow83 wrote: Horang2 never broke 30's ever since he came to afreeca. this isn't the first time he returned to afreeca though. i remembered that he first came back sometime around 2015, but he didn't look as shabby back then as he does now. real life gets in the way/too much LoL mayhaps? | ||
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eekmice
United States373 Posts
On March 21 2017 20:13 classicyellow83 wrote: Horang2 never broke 30's ever since he came to afreeca. when you're PvT is in the 20's for several months, that's just who you are. Free had good run at PvT for a month in February. Terrans have figured him out and he's losing again. sSak has the third best TvP this year behind Flash and Last. Beating him doesn't exaggerate win rate. Even with 아재리그, they don't make top 5 because they lose all other spon matches. Really curious. Do you watch any of these games or just go purely by the numbers? There are tiers to the spon matches. The S tier include players (those who always get the hardest matchups) are Flash, Last, Bisu, Effort and Hero. Ssak rarely joins these matches and he usually plays the 2nd tier spon matches against people like rush, mini, movie etc. He might have a good winrate against these players but I'm almost certain that he'd have a lower winrate than free against the best. And your statement about 아재리그 is horseshit. I don't know about organ since he plays occasional spon matches against the better players but FBH has never played spon matches outside of 아재리그 and he has said so himself. And I'm 100% sure he has a better winrate than Ssak. I've attached some horang2 vods against flash so maybe you can watch for yourself and see how well he plays. Edit: I'd also like to mention there was a chess player in prison who got over a FIDE rating of 3000 because all he played were shit players in prison. That would be higher than Magnus Carlsen the world #1. Maybe taking into consideration the opponents might be more telling than just winrate. And even moreso, maybe watching the games and seeing how they win/lose might give even more information. Food for thought. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On March 21 2017 20:59 eekmice wrote: Really curious. Do you watch any of these games or just go purely by the numbers? There are tiers to the spon matches. The S tier include players (those who always get the hardest matchups) are Flash, Last, Bisu, Effort and Hero. Ssak rarely joins these matches and he usually plays the 2nd tier spon matches against people like rush, mini, movie etc. He might have a good winrate against these players but I'm almost certain that he'd have a lower winrate than free against the best. And your statement about 아재리그 is horseshit. I don't know about organ since he plays occasional spon matches against the better players but FBH has never played spon matches outside of 아재리그 and he has said so himself. And I'm 100% sure he has a better winrate than Ssak. I've attached some horang2 vods against flash so maybe you can watch for yourself and see how well he seems to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4a3dm5ReSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTxUWijUIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T8U9FXF5Bk&t I watch these games. One good bo3 against Flash doesn't prove anything. It's what you do consistently matters. Most of the games he loses are just pure OME. You should hear some of the things others say about him when observing his games. Horang2 is just terrible. Both the eye test and record proves he's one of the worst protoss right now. | ||
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eekmice
United States373 Posts
On March 21 2017 21:18 classicyellow83 wrote: I watch these games. One good bo3 against Flash doesn't prove anything. It's what you do consistently matters. Most of the games he loses are just pure OME. You should hear some of the things others say about him when observing his games. Horang2 is just terrible. Both the eye test and record proves he's one of the worst protoss right now. Go youtube some of his matches vs last. Gee, bisu says shit about Ssak all the time. Hell, his stream title was "If I lose to Ssak, I'll quit sc" during a spon match. | ||
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