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On February 09 2007 10:37 bErAtEd- wrote:
I just feel like a schmuck after backing Carlo up and then reading through this post and reading his reply. We weren't talking about Pros, and we certainly weren't talking about anytime. We were just talking about their view that we are inferior. I just really feel that as much as people say that he tries, there isn't much effort being made on his part.
just ignore him he sometimes talks non-sense
in topic:
i cant see the image or a dialoge in the first page if there is actually an image to see o-o
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In all fairness, when compared to top korean pros, foreigners really do suck :0 And there is alot of arrogance, imo, with someone who is not 1/10th the skill of a pro to say "the pro should do this or should do that". In any game of incomplete information like starcraft, you are occasionally going to look like an idiot, and occasionally going to look like a genius. For example, everyone critized go)rush for his risky all in hydra move vs rush, saying it's a bad idea.
"GoRush makes his opponent look like god because his ZvP has, incredibly, reached a new low" was a caption from the write up of the game. Granted that was Manablue who wrote that, not the person in question, but the fact remains that there are foreigners insulting the skills of korean pros."
You can say, in all fairness, GoRushes ZvP HAS reached a new low. I say, neither you, nor I, are qualified to say that and 20 some pro league games or whatever field his record vs protoss is drawn from is not nearly enough to say that he is good or isn't. I'm actually quite surprised that the current format is what it is, where a few key matches decide who is best and who is worst. I guess that adds some more excitement, because with a gamei or PGT style play alot of games and top is winner, the best would almost always win, but with very few games it's easier for worse players to win.
Anyway I hope I am not being too critical of the people who put in alot of their own time to bring me those writeups, nor am I asking you to change the way you do them, because those funny sayings below the pictures make me laugh, especially when they insult one of the players, and everyone appreciates the work you do. I'm just saying maybe there's a grain of truth in what the koreans are saying :0
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On February 09 2007 15:13 IdiotWind wrote:
In all fairness, when compared to top korean pros, foreigners really do suck :0 And there is alot of arrogance, imo, with someone who is not 1/10th the skill of a pro to say "the pro should do this or should do that". In any game of incomplete information like starcraft, you are occasionally going to look like an idiot
Word...
But of course...we cant forget the fact that opinions are opinions...as long as you...
Respect the person who you are talking about...even if you are wrong you are respecting others...
I can talk bad things of any country or any person...But I Dont!!...
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 09 2007 15:13 IdiotWind wrote:
In all fairness, when compared to top korean pros, foreigners really do suck :0 And there is alot of arrogance, imo, with someone who is not 1/10th the skill of a pro to say "the pro should do this or should do that". In any game of incomplete information like starcraft, you are occasionally going to look like an idiot, and occasionally going to look like a genius. For example, everyone critized go)rush for his risky all in hydra move vs rush, saying it's a bad idea.
"GoRush makes his opponent look like god because his ZvP has, incredibly, reached a new low" was a caption from the write up of the game. Granted that was Manablue who wrote that, not the person in question, but the fact remains that there are foreigners insulting the skills of korean pros."
You can say, in all fairness, GoRushes ZvP HAS reached a new low. I say, neither you, nor I, are qualified to say that and 20 some pro league games or whatever field his record vs protoss is drawn from is not nearly enough to say that he is good or isn't. I'm actually quite surprised that the current format is what it is, where a few key matches decide who is best and who is worst. I guess that adds some more excitement, because with a gamei or PGT style play alot of games and top is winner, the best would almost always win, but with very few games it's easier for worse players to win.
Anyway I hope I am not being too critical of the people who put in alot of their own time to bring me those writeups, nor am I asking you to change the way you do them, because those funny sayings below the pictures make me laugh, especially when they insult one of the players, and everyone appreciates the work you do. I'm just saying maybe there's a grain of truth in what the koreans are saying :0
I completely, totally, absolutely fucking agree with the bolded part, and I wish more people would realize that. There is so much chance (and not just in ZvZ) that for the most part it's a game of chance without playing more bo27's. Some guy gets lucky once in group stages and all of a sudden he's in the elimination tourney (and a couple easy matchups/upsets/creampuff opponents and lucky breaks and he's won the 6 games needed to be in finals, or even the 9 needed to be OSL champ) and the loser is sent to ODT, where one fuckup puts you into the offline qualifiers from which you may not be able to ever return without phenomenal luck.
As for the rest of the post, I would venture that just because we aren't nuclear physicists doesn't mean we can't mock Chernobyl safety inspectors; just because we aren't Tom Brady doesn't mean we can't make fun of Rex Grossman. Intellectually, we understand that these guys are on a whole different level, but when a progamer consistently loses against the standard bar of Korean competition in a certain matchup (and in very lopsided fashion), then we can say things like they aren't adapting any more and that they are slumping in said matchup, not keeping up with everyone else. When we say they suck, we mean it in a very relative sense - that is, normalized to the constantly shifting skill levels of everyone else in Korea.
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Does someone have the picture? I read the thread but am still not sure of what the picture was.
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"when a progamer consistently loses against the standard bar of Korean competition in a certain matchup (and in very lopsided fashion)"
you are right about this, but you must also say, how many games means consistently? Certianly 1 or 2 or 10 are not enough. Certainly 10,000 is enough. The exact # depends on how much variance is involved in the game, which is a very tough number of calculate. I just wish people wouldn't judge so harshly when a progamer loses 3 or 4 games in a row. The best player, playing against worse players, will eventually go on a losing streak of 5 or 6 games.
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Osaka27179 Posts
On February 09 2007 16:04 MuShu wrote:
Does someone have the picture? I read the thread but am still not sure of what the picture was.
just click on the powerrankings, it was etter's first post after the list.
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On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote:
He said "I miss, you win, gg"
Think he was referring to failing his timing push that could of won the game for him. Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T
Silent_control has fans?
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On February 09 2007 18:13 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote:
He said "I miss, you win, gg"
Think he was referring to failing his timing push that could of won the game for him. Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T Silent_control has fans?
Of course...I am one of his fans =)...
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On February 09 2007 18:26 [Carlodajin] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2007 18:13 The Storyteller wrote:On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote:
He said "I miss, you win, gg"
Think he was referring to failing his timing push that could of won the game for him. Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T Silent_control has fans? Of course...I am one of his fans =)...
I...dont...see...him...in...your...sig.
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On February 09 2007 08:25 DJEtterStyle wrote:
This... this is the greatest thing I have ever seen.
I just don't know what I say, but first off, I'd like to thank the Academy. I mean, they're the ones who make this sort of recognition possible. Then, of course, I have to thank my parents. All those endless singing lessons as a child--how I hated them! But now I understand that they were just preparing me to be... the Voice of the Foreigners.
HAHA
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