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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
February 05 2015 22:49 GMT
#21
ICCup anti-hack launcher.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 23:07:09
February 05 2015 23:00 GMT
#22
Does no one remember the ADV launcher? I think this was the first program to ever give you APM / EAPM / micro / macro results after the game in lobby.

EDIT : not in game Lobby I mean but in chat room after game.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
February 06 2015 01:01 GMT
#23
For me, SCMDraft is the most prominent because I was primarily usemap maker & player. There was some massive communities purely dedicated to map-making & UMS back then.
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Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
February 06 2015 01:06 GMT
#24
I really like mca64launcher and am surprised it hasn't been mentioned more in this thread. Can someone elaborate as to why it doesn't stack up as well as the aforementioned AH's?
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 01:09:08
February 06 2015 01:06 GMT
#25
On February 06 2015 10:01 Hesmyrr wrote:
For me, SCMDraft is the most prominent because I was primarily usemap maker & player. There was some massive communities purely dedicated to map-making & UMS back then.


yeah actually, i think a mapmaking tool should be on the top3 of third party programs, without it it wouldn't have been possible to make some of the fine competitive maps we see today, which are a vital part of BW's balance efforts. And also team/UMS games are still the biggest aspect of BW gaming today which is also in large part thanks to mapping tools.

so basically unlike BWchart (which only applies for competitive BW players), mapping tools permeates all aspects of BW, which imo deserve significant recognition.
jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
February 06 2015 01:10 GMT
#26
wlauncher!
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 01:13:31
February 06 2015 01:12 GMT
#27
Most players have no idea how huge of an impact third party map editors had on the game.

Does everyone remember the days of no inverted ramps? That's right, Lost Temple 9 o clock. Weird as fuck ramps on Bifrost. Without third party map editors, no map in the rotation for the past 5+ years (Just a guess. Probably even longer) would've been possible. Fighting spirit would have awkward downward pointing ramps and long thin crappy bridges. Python 11 o clock and 5 o clock would probably be lowground with the ramps, again being fucked. Blue Storm's maw wouldn't exist, nor would any of its high-ground elements nor its small-unit paths. Remember RoV and its huge hill in the center of the map? Boom, doesn't exist.

There were a bunch of these third-party editors but probably the most used (at least in the foreign scene, I don't know if the koreans used the same one) was SCMDraft 2. The functionality it provided was amazing in comparison to the blizz editor. Remember neutral dark swarm and disruption webs? They were SCMDraft 2. Same with La Mancha's really cool 60 degree wide ramps in the middle. Avalon's neutral xel-naga temples and mineral fields placed on unbuildable locations. You might not notice it but it also has some really cool unbuildable cliff design, again, using a third party editor. Demian's special bridges and sex-ramps are all products of the third-party editor.

Edit: Ninja'd but yeah, SCMDraft and other third party mapping tools are by far and away the most influential third-party program.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 06 2015 01:37 GMT
#28
i have to go with bwchart. bwchart was huge and it's impact even spread to other games.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
February 06 2015 02:50 GMT
#29
Any Build Order Calculators out there for BW?
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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
February 06 2015 03:40 GMT
#30
SCMDraft gets the huge shoutout to me. wouldn't have half the maps we do today without it, as well as the still much more fun UMS compared to SC2 arcade.
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castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada760 Posts
February 06 2015 03:45 GMT
#31
mcalauncher for sure.. it has everything integrated into one, i'm surprised you didn't even consider it as a vote option, my second option would be bwchart
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
February 06 2015 05:47 GMT
#32
Another shoutout to SCMDraft from me as I used to be quite into map making and that was such a step up in map making utility.

But overall BWChart would probably still get my vote.
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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
February 06 2015 05:52 GMT
#33
LAN lat is so much more important than BWChart.
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
February 06 2015 08:37 GMT
#34
On February 06 2015 11:50 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Any Build Order Calculators out there for BW?

There was Evolution Forge, but it didn't really work very well and nobody used it.

It's probably possible to use SCFusion (which works very well for SC2) because you can change game rulesets via XML files, but I don't think anyone has tried adapting it for BW.

As for other software, I don't know about ranking any of it by significance, but probably the coolest is Replay++, which uses BWAPI to take watching replays to the next level.
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
February 06 2015 09:17 GMT
#35
No shoutout to MCA? Mca Launcher is amazing!
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 10:30:43
February 06 2015 10:30 GMT
#36
mcalauncher!!!!! for upnp

I always different values for resources from scbw vs bwchart. Can anyone tell me why?
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myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
February 06 2015 14:00 GMT
#37
bwchart of course! I loved to analyze it after each replay.
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
February 06 2015 14:29 GMT
#38
For me its chaos launcher cause it helps me with my let's play of brood war :D.
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
February 06 2015 15:16 GMT
#39
BWchart. Mca launcher is a great tool, but it hasn't affected the game as much as the way BWChart has.
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France329 Posts
February 06 2015 16:28 GMT
#40
SCMDraft to me.

I always have been amazed seeing korean VODs at how funky some maps could be and I believe this program has a big responsibility in it.
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