• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:18
CEST 23:18
KST 06:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection2Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th135Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League5Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double1
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued SC2 Parody - "Somebody That I Used to Troll" On design and lattest PTR patch notes
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Data analysis on 70 million replays
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Dating: How's your luck? US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 16278 users

'Reflections' with Jaedong - Page 5

Forum Index > BW General
113 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
March 13 2014 00:51 GMT
#81
On March 13 2014 09:42 JohnChoi wrote:
dont trust the interviews!!!! afreeca jaedong plZ!!!!!! T_T

Jaedong was at the Final Four tournament; I'm sure he'll come to his senses eventually, seeing the fans cheering.
Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
March 13 2014 00:58 GMT
#82
On March 13 2014 09:42 JohnChoi wrote:
dont trust the interviews!!!! afreeca jaedong plZ!!!!!! T_T


How often has someone said something in an interview, and then done the exact opposite? Quite often - so it's to be expected. It's just a matter of time...BW's pull is stronger.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
March 13 2014 01:01 GMT
#83
free: i wanna do something other than games
AFREECA
light:i wanna learn how to cook and stuffz
AFRICA
jaedong: i wanna plan for the big picture
AFRICATV?
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 01:07:36
March 13 2014 01:07 GMT
#84
XD XD
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
March 13 2014 01:24 GMT
#85
On March 13 2014 08:58 JohnChoi wrote:
Killer thinks JD would probably afreeca between the time he retires and has to go to army. Still waiting for jaedong guest stream T-T


Does Jaedong not have special educational exemption from army, due to his previous acceptance into a low entry rate online educational institution?
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
March 13 2014 02:35 GMT
#86
I love JD, he can play Warcraft 4 for all I care, I will always support that guy. Great interview Thorin!
"Right on" - Morrow
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
March 13 2014 03:07 GMT
#87
On March 13 2014 09:50 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 08:51 Harem wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2014 10:12 LaLuSh wrote:
JD beat Bisu a lot in practice. Too humble there in his close 2-2 finals prediction.

Yeah, the practice results are actually pretty weird cause from interviews, it basically seems like JD never lost there but then would lose the broadcasted game.

On December 14 2011 07:22 rotinegg wrote:
DES=Bisu is ahead in head-to-head's. A lot of fans have been asking about that.

Bisu=I knew they would ask that. I was hoping you would be smart enough to filter those questions.
JD=It's alright. It's true that I lost a lot.
Bisu=When I play against Jaedong, I have good luck for some reason. I sometimes think 'if everything worked out as well as when I play Jaedong, I would never lose.' I seriously have no idea why.
Jaedong=On the contrary, nothing works for some odd reason when I play against Bisu. My strategies get deflected and I can't even manage my own units. I often feel like I'm under a spell (laughs).
Bisu=But I know that Jaedong is really good. I have a secret that nobody else knows.
JD=Secret? What secret?
Bisu=I said it's a secret (laughs).

DES=It's the 3-year anniversary edition interview. Say it.

Bisu=Recently I was playing on a server where a lot of progamers frequent, and I went 0-10 against this one player. I thought he was really good and guessed it was either Jaedong or (Z)ZerO. I just couldn't beat him. He was too good. I thought that if this isn't Jaedong or Zero, our team must sign him immediately. I kept asking him who he was, but he wouldn't say. I was really curious, but then Alone came and said 'This is Jaedong's smurf account.' I was once again reminded of Jaedong's greatness.
JD=I had no idea that was you (laughs). But more importantly, I'm going to have a word with Alone for leaking such secrets (laughs).
Bisu=From that day on, I knew Jaedong was really good. I really couldn't think of a way to beat him at the time.
JD=You embarrass me. Why can't you lose to me like that in broadcasted matches (laughs).
Bisu=I get a surge of confidence when I know I'm playing against Jaedong for some reason (laughs).


On May 29 2009 09:19 Letmelose wrote:
Did they practice with each other before then? They never requested practice games personally, but a practice session between the two had been arranged by the team staff before. This happened when Bisu just transferred to SK Telecom T1, so it was over a year ago. Even the number of games they played is only a couple.

As of now, Jaedong is slightly ahead on head to head score. When we asked if things were any different during practice, “I lost all the games” Bisu remarked stiffly. Jaedong laughed awkwardly and mentioned that he thinks he may have lost some of them. It seems Bisu remembers the encounter during practice more clearly.


There are more examples too but dont feel like digging them up atm ie where Bisu says JD did dumb allins and lost but then when JD played macro games after, Bisu kept losing. I think Zimp even uploaded 2 of those practice games because it referenced Circuit Breaker.


So, applying the above, JD would prob win if they ever met on Afreeca as it's more of a relaxed practice atmosphere (but I dont ever see JD going that route for a variety of reasons so it's moot) but would lose in stuff like SSL.


Jaedong and Bisu did play a best of 5 series in the GOMTV Averatec-Intel Classic Season 2 Special Match, and Jaedong won 3-2. Additionally, Jaedong typically does exceptionally well in best of series, and in tournament situations, and adapts well to various adverse situations (e.g. unexpected situations, being down - in best of series), and has an unparalleled will to win. Bisu does not (it's been mentioned before, Bisu is very successful when he can prepare for a specific situation, but in a best of series, on a variety of different maps, in a variety of different situations, he will be significantly less successful - also he has exceptional fundamental mechanics, but his understanding of the game(e.g. build order strategy/development) is relatively poor compared to players like Stork, Best, Jaedong etc. (mentioned in interviews)). Additionally, Bisu typically has problems against players like Shine, in individual leagues, and going 3-2 against Larva B teamer in SSL? A poor indicator. Based on the above, Jaedong would be favored in both practice and individual leagues.

Add the rust factor in and the fact that Larva was playing like a top-tier A-teamer for his SSL run and I'd have to say that it's a dead even match. TBLS matches have always brought out the best in each other, and I honestly think that if Jaedong and Bisu were to have a Bo5 title match, Bisu would pull out all the stops to practice like he would have before when he was still in SKT T1.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 13 2014 03:12 GMT
#88
On March 13 2014 09:50 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 08:51 Harem wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2014 10:12 LaLuSh wrote:
JD beat Bisu a lot in practice. Too humble there in his close 2-2 finals prediction.

Yeah, the practice results are actually pretty weird cause from interviews, it basically seems like JD never lost there but then would lose the broadcasted game.

On December 14 2011 07:22 rotinegg wrote:
DES=Bisu is ahead in head-to-head's. A lot of fans have been asking about that.

Bisu=I knew they would ask that. I was hoping you would be smart enough to filter those questions.
JD=It's alright. It's true that I lost a lot.
Bisu=When I play against Jaedong, I have good luck for some reason. I sometimes think 'if everything worked out as well as when I play Jaedong, I would never lose.' I seriously have no idea why.
Jaedong=On the contrary, nothing works for some odd reason when I play against Bisu. My strategies get deflected and I can't even manage my own units. I often feel like I'm under a spell (laughs).
Bisu=But I know that Jaedong is really good. I have a secret that nobody else knows.
JD=Secret? What secret?
Bisu=I said it's a secret (laughs).

DES=It's the 3-year anniversary edition interview. Say it.

Bisu=Recently I was playing on a server where a lot of progamers frequent, and I went 0-10 against this one player. I thought he was really good and guessed it was either Jaedong or (Z)ZerO. I just couldn't beat him. He was too good. I thought that if this isn't Jaedong or Zero, our team must sign him immediately. I kept asking him who he was, but he wouldn't say. I was really curious, but then Alone came and said 'This is Jaedong's smurf account.' I was once again reminded of Jaedong's greatness.
JD=I had no idea that was you (laughs). But more importantly, I'm going to have a word with Alone for leaking such secrets (laughs).
Bisu=From that day on, I knew Jaedong was really good. I really couldn't think of a way to beat him at the time.
JD=You embarrass me. Why can't you lose to me like that in broadcasted matches (laughs).
Bisu=I get a surge of confidence when I know I'm playing against Jaedong for some reason (laughs).


On May 29 2009 09:19 Letmelose wrote:
Did they practice with each other before then? They never requested practice games personally, but a practice session between the two had been arranged by the team staff before. This happened when Bisu just transferred to SK Telecom T1, so it was over a year ago. Even the number of games they played is only a couple.

As of now, Jaedong is slightly ahead on head to head score. When we asked if things were any different during practice, “I lost all the games” Bisu remarked stiffly. Jaedong laughed awkwardly and mentioned that he thinks he may have lost some of them. It seems Bisu remembers the encounter during practice more clearly.


There are more examples too but dont feel like digging them up atm ie where Bisu says JD did dumb allins and lost but then when JD played macro games after, Bisu kept losing. I think Zimp even uploaded 2 of those practice games because it referenced Circuit Breaker.


So, applying the above, JD would prob win if they ever met on Afreeca as it's more of a relaxed practice atmosphere (but I dont ever see JD going that route for a variety of reasons so it's moot) but would lose in stuff like SSL.


Jaedong and Bisu did play a best of 5 series in the GOMTV Averatec-Intel Classic Season 2 Special Match, and Jaedong won 3-2. Additionally, Jaedong typically does exceptionally well in best of series, and in tournament situations, and adapts well to various adverse situations (e.g. unexpected situations, being down - in best of series), and has an unparalleled will to win. Bisu does not (it's been mentioned before, Bisu is very successful when he can prepare for a specific situation, but in a best of series, on a variety of different maps, in a variety of different situations, he will be significantly less successful - also he has exceptional fundamental mechanics, but his understanding of the game(e.g. build order strategy/development) is relatively poor compared to players like Stork, Best, Jaedong etc. (mentioned in interviews)). Additionally, Bisu typically has problems against players like Shine, in individual leagues, and going 3-2 against Larva B teamer in SSL? A poor indicator. Based on the above, Jaedong would be favored in both practice and individual leagues.


Typical fanboy analysis.

Recent official results in what had been widely considered the most important league (Proleague) speak otherwise.

/typical fanboy analyis
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 13 2014 09:53 GMT
#89
On March 11 2014 10:48 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 10:12 LaLuSh wrote:
JD beat Bisu a lot in practice. Too humble there in his close 2-2 finals prediction.

Bisu's 12-8 record begs to differ. He's 7-1 since midway through 2009 against Jaedong. Hardly humble. I thought it was pretty damn accurate.


You forgot all those time on bnet where he was 10-0 against Bisu ! (Bisu didn't know it was JD :p).
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Barbarne
Profile Joined August 2007
Sweden458 Posts
March 13 2014 11:07 GMT
#90
Please do more of these, and please interview some BW pros other than TBLS or bonjwas. I think we've had enough of coverage of jaedong and need more interviews with players who weren't the best, but still deserve an interview. Thanks for this one however, it was very well done.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
March 13 2014 11:27 GMT
#91
I really liked this interview and the questions. If anyone was to ask me to summarize Jaedong's BW career, I would probably point him/her to this video from now on (apart from the wiki page, of course!).
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
March 13 2014 12:53 GMT
#92
Ah . . .

With recent events, . .

when will Flash get to have this kind of interview . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
phamchienthang[V]
Profile Joined December 2012
Vietnam44 Posts
March 13 2014 14:44 GMT
#93
If in BW toss has oracle, bisu gonna kill JD with mouse only for sure.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 16:32:49
March 13 2014 16:28 GMT
#94
Only got two words to say....Thank You.

Well, maybe more. Even though I was/still am a Flash fan (I'm Terran player), I will always have massive respect for Jaedong. (and Stork and Bisu along with many others). The guy is just pure passion and competitor, it's hard to not like him. I remember cheering for him when he was playing against Fantasy in Batoo OSL final and Bacchus OSL semi-final.

Bisu vs Jaedong OSL would have been something indeed...if only Bisu didn't choke against Fantasy in Batoo....
Or if Jaedong didn't get steamrolled by Flash's mech on Katrina (which incidentally was the 1st Flash vs Jaedong game I ever watched and had a big influence on me eventually deciding to choose Terran)
On March 13 2014 09:50 miercat wrote:
Additionally, Bisu typically has problems against players like Shine, in individual leagues, and going 3-2 against Larva B teamer in SSL? A poor indicator. Based on the above, Jaedong would be favored in both practice and individual leagues.

Don't forget his woes against go.go. His terran kryptonite lol.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
March 13 2014 17:09 GMT
#95
Five championships and four silvers in major leagues. Jaedong is truly a legendary Broodwar player, and it was nice to hear him talk about his career. This interview made me kind of sad thinking back on the days when Flash was so astoundingly good. Thanks for the interview!

P.S., I think JD would have owned Bisu in series play, and he was right there in the finals so it's really Bisu's fault for not rising to the challenge :p
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 13 2014 17:24 GMT
#96
i c u all jay jay fans shitting on beesuit - don't fool yourselves you fools, beesuit would trample the dong x_x
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
March 13 2014 20:21 GMT
#97
Omg this interview just blew me away, totally awesome. Thank you so much, I've been a Jaedong fan for quite a while but this just makes me want to cheer for him more. First "reflection interview" I watch but most other interviews I see of SC2 players are just so... Not serious, just goofing off. That really reflects their attitude towards the game compared to JDs, this guy so passionate.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
March 13 2014 20:47 GMT
#98
First GREAT interview I've seen in a while.. We need one for each bw legend please. Awesome job

JD Fighting!!
Jaedong.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 13 2014 21:11 GMT
#99
thanks for the interview! loved it!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 13 2014 21:55 GMT
#100
Thanks for this.

I think of all the Brood War pro games, Jaedong is the player I miss the most. His attitude is superb and it always came through in his games and in his expression. <3 Legend Killer.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 637
ZombieGrub569
SteadfastSC 482
Ryung 324
IndyStarCraft 228
UpATreeSC 132
elazer 99
CosmosSc2 81
Rex 78
JuggernautJason59
Ketroc 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1586
ajuk12(nOOB) 17
Dota 2
420jenkins369
League of Legends
Doublelift3441
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2292
Pyrionflax96
Super Smash Bros
PPMD28
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu440
Other Games
Grubby4476
B2W.Neo716
C9.Mang0158
Trikslyr72
fpsfer 2
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 1322
IntoTheiNu 1076
TaKeTV 685
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 162
• EnkiAlexander 96
• musti20045 12
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 46
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1074
• WagamamaTV277
• Shiphtur215
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
12h 42m
Kung Fu Cup
13h 42m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
17h 42m
Maestros of the Game
18h 12m
ByuN vs herO
Rogue vs Bunny
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 13h
OSC
1d 15h
Maestros of the Game
1d 18h
Serral vs Percival
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Clem vs Lambo
Zoun vs SKillous
Replay Cast
3 days
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Grudge Match
3 days
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
GSL
4 days
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.