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On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
A long foreign tour in Euro hours (a'la TLS)
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On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
None of the above.
More English coverage of the recent top level games; explaining and analyzing the top players of 2014 will not only bring more interest to those who want to get into Starcraft yet unfamiliar with the game, but also give the current SOSPA era/tournaments more exposure.
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On June 06 2014 03:44 chrisolo wrote:There are currently rumors that there will be a Stork vs Jaedong Showmatch at HomeStoryCup IX. Take said something about Broodwar on stream, NarutO announced something epic and I just found some newly created accounts on ICC (http://iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/homestorycup1.html + http://iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/homestorycup2.html). So I guess this might be interesting for some of you guys not following SC2 too closely. Stream is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TaKeTVIf I'll catch the showmatch live, I will post again in here, but I think it will be after group stages, so I will not be watching it live. Anyways if there will be a showmatch, I ll definitly post the VOD in here.
Ahh, apparently Jaedong is in the studio for HSC right now... It's mouz vs yFW, so I'm curious why Jaedong is there when he plays for EG.
Edit: Actually, I have no idea what's going on, lol. It's Punchline ESC vs Fnatic, so I dunno what's going on T_T
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On June 06 2014 04:27 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 03:44 chrisolo wrote:There are currently rumors that there will be a Stork vs Jaedong Showmatch at HomeStoryCup IX. Take said something about Broodwar on stream, NarutO announced something epic and I just found some newly created accounts on ICC (http://iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/homestorycup1.html + http://iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/homestorycup2.html). So I guess this might be interesting for some of you guys not following SC2 too closely. Stream is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TaKeTVIf I'll catch the showmatch live, I will post again in here, but I think it will be after group stages, so I will not be watching it live. Anyways if there will be a showmatch, I ll definitly post the VOD in here. Ahh, apparently Jaedong is in the studio for HSC right now... It's mouz vs yFW, so I'm curious why Jaedong is there when he plays for EG. Edit: Actually, I have no idea what's going on, lol. It's Punchline ESC vs Fnatic, so I dunno what's going on T_T
Both Jaedong and Stork are partcipants of HSC
And ATC is online so it doesn't matter who's at the house 
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when is stork v jd ?
i can camp taketv
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On June 06 2014 04:26 HyralGambit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
None of the above. More English coverage of the recent top level games; explaining and analyzing the top players of 2014 will not only bring more interest to those who want to get into Starcraft yet unfamiliar with the game, but also give the current SOSPA era/tournaments more exposure.
Yes, there is no English coverage whatsoever, for the vast majority of Korean Leagues at the moment. And this is unfortunate, because the Korean Leagues have always had the highest level of play, been the most popular, and been the most interesting to watch.
A minority of English speakers may not mind listening to the Korean casts, but the vast majority(especially - but certainly not exclusively - new viewers) will find good English casts of Korean events, to be much preferred. Additionally, these types of (Korean to English)casts have the highest chance of attracting new viewers (they are what got me, and many others, first interested in the BW scene).
If you want to talk about increasing overall interest in BW, it doesn't make sense to put the main focus on anything, but the top level Korean scene.
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BW making a comeback? Please say yes I'll start practicing everyday again
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United States10328 Posts
On June 06 2014 04:26 HyralGambit wrote:
None of the above.
More English coverage of the recent top level games; explaining and analyzing the top players of 2014 will not only bring more interest to those who want to get into Starcraft yet unfamiliar with the game, but also give the current SOSPA era/tournaments more exposure.
this
weird saying this since I used to be the one providing coverage lol, but I haven't been able to spend as much time watching BW lately, and this would really help me keep up with what's going on
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hmm maybe we should get volunteer guest writers for SRT writeups/coverage? while previews/recaps/battle reports and whatnot are fundamental, the little flavor articles and fun facts type of stuff are always a pleasure to read. And im sure thers alot of talented writers around 
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
You want English coverage? You have to make the English coverage. I would help out but I can't since I work during every single korean cast and I'm quite busy with other shit.
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On June 06 2014 04:47 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 04:26 HyralGambit wrote:On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
None of the above. More English coverage of the recent top level games; explaining and analyzing the top players of 2014 will not only bring more interest to those who want to get into Starcraft yet unfamiliar with the game, but also give the current SOSPA era/tournaments more exposure. Yes, there is no English coverage whatsoever, of the vast majority of Korean Leagues at the moment. And this is unfortunate, because the Korean Leagues have always had the highest level of play, been the most popular, and been the most interesting to watch. A minority of English speakers may not mind listening to the Korean casts, but the vast majority(especially - but certainly not exclusively - new viewers) will find good English casts of Korean events, to be much preferred. Additionally, these types of (Korean to English)casts have the highest chance of attracting new viewers (they are what got me, and many others, first interested in the BW scene). If you want to talk about increasing overall interest in BW, it doesn't make sense to put the main focus on anything, but the top level Korean scene.
What good does it do if you attract viewers? I mean those are consumers only* and they're not really important for the course of Korean events outside of Korea. I guess Sonic is happy that he's more or less known abroad, but in the end it doesn't really actively help him (or anyone else for that matter); we're talking about +- 200 viewers, when he has tripple the number as visitors live for his finals alone. It's odd to assume there's a way to suck 10k++ viewers into SOSPA/Afreeca events over night so to speak.
What's needed are either contributors, acquiring those by raising viewer numbers of Korean re-streams alone won't do the trick. Rather increase interest in the game. Korean BW isn't the only fascinating thing. Best would be to attract new, especially young players, who actively play and feel the need to share their experience.
Foreign tournaments survived without Korean support for long, even alleged "shit stuff" like the BGH tours / Possi Leagues still run and have an active community. I'm not sure if you think Korea is the only true form of BW or something (not saying that you did), but it sure sounds elitist. Let's just promote whatever, but don't be ignorant and focus on one aspect alone, or while I'm at it, try to unite all the sub communities we have. There's a huge amount of B-net players, who never heard about TL, or if they did, prolly wouldn't find it too interesting, giving that the focus of the audience is so... focussed on Koreans.
Well, might be just me. Shouldn't sound as if I want the Koreans to stop what they do, or coverage people to stop giving information (thanks JohnChoi et al.), just... broaden your view a little.
*most times no feedback, silly twitch chat spam at the most, no comments, no play, no other contributions - helpful?
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
All I see is want want want. No do.
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On June 06 2014 06:45 Epoxide wrote:
All I see is want want want. No do.
That was the question no?
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On June 06 2014 06:23 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 04:47 miercat wrote:On June 06 2014 04:26 HyralGambit wrote:On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
None of the above. More English coverage of the recent top level games; explaining and analyzing the top players of 2014 will not only bring more interest to those who want to get into Starcraft yet unfamiliar with the game, but also give the current SOSPA era/tournaments more exposure. Yes, there is no English coverage whatsoever, of the vast majority of Korean Leagues at the moment. And this is unfortunate, because the Korean Leagues have always had the highest level of play, been the most popular, and been the most interesting to watch. A minority of English speakers may not mind listening to the Korean casts, but the vast majority(especially - but certainly not exclusively - new viewers) will find good English casts of Korean events, to be much preferred. Additionally, these types of (Korean to English)casts have the highest chance of attracting new viewers (they are what got me, and many others, first interested in the BW scene). If you want to talk about increasing overall interest in BW, it doesn't make sense to put the main focus on anything, but the top level Korean scene. What good does it do if you attract viewers? I mean those are consumers only* and they're not really important for the course of Korean events outside of Korea. I guess Sonic is happy that he's more or less known abroad, but in the end it doesn't really actively help him (or anyone else for that matter); we're talking about +- 200 viewers, when he has tripple the number as visitors live for his finals alone. It's odd to assume there's a way to suck 10k++ viewers into SOSPA/Afreeca events over night so to speak. What's needed are either contributors, acquiring those by raising viewer numbers of Korean re-streams alone won't do the trick. Rather increase interest in the game. Korean BW isn't the only fascinating thing. Best would be to attract new, especially young players, who actively play and feel the need to share their experience. Foreign tournaments survived without Korean support for long, even alleged "shit stuff" like the BGH tours / Possi Leagues still run and have an active community. I'm not sure if you think Korea is the only true form of BW or something (not saying that you did), but it sure sounds elitist. Let's just promote whatever, but don't be ignorant and focus on one aspect alone, or while I'm at it, try to unite all the sub communities we have. There's a huge amount of B-net players, who never heard about TL, or if they did, prolly wouldn't find it too interesting, giving that the focus of the audience is so... focussed on Koreans. Well, might be just me. Shouldn't sound as if I want the Koreans to stop what they do, or coverage people to stop giving information (thanks JohnChoi et al.), just... broaden your view a little. *most times no feedback, silly twitch chat spam at the most, no comments, no play, no other contributions - helpful?
Korea never really considered foreign viewers. However, TL was a website primarily dedicated to covering the Korean BW scene, and it became relatively popular due to this focus, and was a key factor in promoting interest in BW.
The Korean scene has always been more popular with both Korean and foreign viewers. And unless foreigners somehow become better than Koreans, this will never change.
In order to promote interest in BW, the primary focus should always be the top level Korean scene, although there is room for other topics.
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On June 06 2014 06:13 amazingxkcd wrote:
You want English coverage? You have to make the English coverage. I would help out but I can't since I work during every single korean cast and I'm quite busy with other shit.
English coverage in terms of articles would be nice, however, English coverage in terms of casting Korean events, would be the most effective way of increasing interest in BW.
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On June 06 2014 06:56 miercat wrote:
Korea never really considered foreign viewers. However, TL was a website primarily dedicated to covering the Korean BW scene, and it became quite popular in this sense,
agreed
and was a key factor in promoting interest in BW.
Depends on the definition of key factor. I'd define WGTour, PGTour and ICCup way more "key" or "more" important. TL.net had a focus (mostly) and catered "one" audience.
The Korean scene has always been more popular with both Korean and foreign viewers. And unless foreigners somehow become better than Koreans, this will never change.
In order to promote interest in BW, the primary focus should always be the top level Korean scene, although there is room for other topics.
That's true for TL, but not for the foreign scene as a whole. Maybe I'm wrong here, but it's a very, very bold statement. It still doesn't explain what you're hopeing for: more viewers -> Growth. But what grows? The viewer number? I mean, as viewer I don't care how much people watch other than myself, if what I watch will continue to exist regardless of the viewer number - and that's the case for Korean BW.
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On June 06 2014 04:04 BisuDagger wrote:Poll: What would improve your BW interest?More Korean Tournaments (65) 68% A High level weekend foriegn Tournament (21) 22% Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches (5) 5% Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates (3) 3% More Chineese Tournaments (2) 2% 96 total votes Your vote: What would improve your BW interest? (Vote): More Korean Tournaments
(Vote): More Chineese Tournaments
(Vote): A High level weekend foriegn Tournament
(Vote): Weekly High level Foriegn Show Matches
(Vote): Scheduling more Community Starcraft play dates
A dedicated Brood War site with a lively and active community that mostly still plays BW regularly with interesting contributors and posts.
Basically go back in time 5 years. There's nothing wrong with SOSPA or with foreigner tourneys or whatever, but they're all niche interests. What really made BW feel active is that those various things all contributed to bringing people to a single place. I don't know that any one of them alone was the pillar. I think we just have a chicken and egg problem, where to get more people coming we need to have a popular site, and to get a popular site we need more people coming. It's hard to say if anything is going to really undo the damage of the past years, it's just a matter of catering to the smaller community now and figuring out what whose left still wants to do with their time. I think even if Korean BW exploded again with popularity, it's a bat's chance in hell that the same thing would happen on TL*. So just do whatever you have fun doing and if you stop having fun, move on! IMO it's not worth chasing this, especially if you don't have a clear idea of exactly what needs to happen to do it. Vague prods at various ideas are going to yield vague results.
*for this and my other talk of popularity, I of course mean specifically about Brood War.
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On June 06 2014 07:06 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 06:56 miercat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Korea never really considered foreign viewers. However, TL was a website primarily dedicated to covering the Korean BW scene, and it became quite popular in this sense, agreed Depends on the definition of key factor. I'd define WGTour, PGTour and ICCup way more "key" or "more" important. TL.net had a focus (mostly) and catered "one" audience. Show nested quote +
The Korean scene has always been more popular with both Korean and foreign viewers. And unless foreigners somehow become better than Koreans, this will never change.
In order to promote interest in BW, the primary focus should always be the top level Korean scene, although there is room for other topics.
That's true for TL, but not for the foreign scene as a whole. Maybe I'm wrong here, but it's a very, very bold statement. It still doesn't explain what you're hopeing for: more viewers -> Growth. But what grows? The viewer number? I mean, as viewer I don't care how much people watch other than myself, if what I watch will continue to exist regardless of the viewer number - and that's the case for Korean BW.
"Key" in the sense that TL was the best place to find detailed information about the Korean scene, and promoted interest in BW in this manner. Other factors were of course more important, in other ways.
As to what the goal is with viewers? Perhaps the answer is not necessarily linear in this case...(But in the same sense, you could ask what then, was the goal, of promoting BW on TL, streaming Korean Events etc, all these past years? - maybe it's the same goal) I guess one point is, that the Korean BW scene, has the power to essentially capture a whole nation (eg. broadcast on 2 national TV stations) - and this is in large part due to the standard of play. There is no other equivalent potential for growth towards what BW could be... so perhaps maximize anything that will work towards this possibility(even if not linear).- and also consider the pure entertainment value of the Korean BW games is better than any other sport/esport (even at current level).
As to the statement before, Bold? Perhaps. Generally it's true that Korean's have not considered foreign viewers. However, there is the case of GOM for example. This was a tournament featuring Korean players, but with English Broadcast - this was predicated by the fact that there was a large foreign viewership. The English vods seemed quite popular, and likely would have gained in popularity had the series continued. There have been realized advantages upon based upon past foreign viewership, and perhaps there could be future advantages as well - even if the situation is not parallel to the past. In a sponsorship-advertising driven industry - just many viewers can open some doors for possibilities. Promote even simply views is positive. In any case, it depends also upon the alternatives - which I don't believe significant:
Establishment of a professional scene, is necessary for BW to realize its potential - in terms of standard of play/evolution of play/entertainment value. It happens that Korea is the most likely place for this. Anything else will result in an eventual significant limitation in all aspects - standard of play, players, etc (even though there is part of scene that survive without Korean support...this part is relatively smaller, and the eventual trend will not be as positive). In other words, Pro (Korean) scene is necessary for optimal sustainability/growth. Nothing else will turn out eventually as well.
So it's not clear if viewership is linear (at least foreign viewership - of course these aspects are critical in Korea), but there have been apparently past benefit due to foreign viewership, and at least potential for future.
In any case, for these reasons, and perhaps some others, overall for BW, optimal focus on promoting Top level scene (english casts of korean events), and also some other topics.
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Unfortunately I don't have the time to cover BW + Smash + deal with my upcoming job, heh![[image loading]](http://i37.tinypic.com/208xrx2.jpg)
