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bezjosh99
Profile Joined September 2021
1 Post
Last Edited: 2021-10-11 09:05:19
October 05 2021 10:25 GMT
#7941
--- Nuked ---
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-16 10:16:37
October 16 2021 10:16 GMT
#7942
Snows reavers doing work!

Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
October 17 2021 14:23 GMT
#7943
What was the first bw ladder like? Was it the same elo system as now, or was the games purely random with points given for wins?
Does anybody have pictures of what it looked like?

I also heard you got massive points for winning FFAs. How did that work, was it 1v1 and ffa? 2v2 and 3v3s as well?

I saw a zerg from denmark was best in 1v1 was that because he just 4pooled or something?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10146 Posts
October 17 2021 15:06 GMT
#7944
First BW ladder was on Battle.Net. It used something like an Elo system. I don't understand what you could possibly mean by "games purely random." It used a lobby system. You host a game on a map you want, with a lobby title that you want, and people join. The game mode was 1v1 only. The FFA and massive points thing, maybe you are thinking of a different game, for example AoE2 and Voobly server. Overall, it was very similar in appearance to ICCup.

1 hatch builds were indeed popular but it wasn't all 4 pool. I don't recall any Zerg from Denmark being dominant ever.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
October 17 2021 15:58 GMT
#7945
Well I meant that it just queued you against random people regardless of rating and gave/took away points if you won or lost, of it was a more sophisticated system like we have today.

But as I understand it wasn’t a queue like it does now since u had to host yourself.

Thanks for explaining
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-17 17:49:12
October 17 2021 16:25 GMT
#7946
(Wiki)1998 Starcraft Season 1 Ladder

This is the Danish player I was talking about.
The reason I asked if it was 4pool is because the cost for spawning pool was increased to 200 early on.
Was this the reason for that maby?

Edit:
Nevermind, found everything on http://web.archive.org/web/20001204130700/http://www.battle.net/index.shtml
Interesting to "take a trip down memory lane" as they say.
PachiBW
Profile Joined October 2021
8 Posts
October 25 2021 20:57 GMT
#7947
I was trying to find a calendar to import the ASL S12 to my personal calendar, but when I search the calendar on Liquipedia they don't have the upcoming matches. They only have the historical matches which isn't particularly helpful since I want to add it to my personal calendar for reminders.

However, when I view the ASL S12 Liquipedia bracket page it has matches listed under the "info" icon to the second so it seems to be drawing the data from somewhere. Does anyone know where it is drawing the data from so I can import it?
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8024 Posts
October 27 2021 10:55 GMT
#7948
Stork playing some BW again ! Proleague style ! Storkuu and Captain_Calm are captains


The thumbnail is gorgeous !



Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Corncob Johnson
Profile Joined July 2019
2 Posts
October 31 2021 16:43 GMT
#7949
I am a starcraft 2 fan that wants to learn more about broodwar. Is there some kind of thread or torrent that has the greatest games/tournament matches of all time? Its hard to know where to start. Bonus points if it would have games from many different eras and regions.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
October 31 2021 16:47 GMT
#7950
i would suggest not to look back in the past. Its better to learn from modern games as thats the meta.
-.-
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
October 31 2021 17:38 GMT
#7951
On November 01 2021 01:43 Corncob Johnson wrote:
I am a starcraft 2 fan that wants to learn more about broodwar. Is there some kind of thread or torrent that has the greatest games/tournament matches of all time? Its hard to know where to start. Bonus points if it would have games from many different eras and regions.


Around the end of the kespa era, somebody made a fantastic compilation of the greatest games of all time (several 30-60 minute videos covering different eras), but it seems to have been purged from youtube, unless someone else can find it.

There used to be torrents containg all the old MSL/OSL/Proleague games from the past, there are all dead now though afaik.
There is a lot of stuff on OGNs youtube channel for example:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&sort=dd&shelf_id=0
Just scroll down a bit and you'll see starcraft come up. Most of the important moments happened during OSLs, so going through some of the finals might be a good starting point.
You can also use liquipedia to find some of the most important players of the Kespa era by using terms like "golden mouse" (= 3 osl wins), "golden badge" (= 3 msl wins), "bonjwa" or "six dragons".

While modern games are way better to learn the current meta, I do believe its important to study the kespa era when getting into BW, given thats when the game was at its peak popularity.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10146 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-31 17:48:55
October 31 2021 17:44 GMT
#7952
For just cool games, check out this thread:

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/197538-cool-and-unusual-starcraft

There are a couple other "recommended games" threads but they are very long... For tournaments and etc., it's a bit more complicated. There is no way to pick just a handful of games from 20 years of tournaments. Perhaps the best way to do this would be to ask, "what are the best tournament series of all time?" And then find them using the TLPD/Liquipedia. You can do this by looking up a player then filtering by their opponent and verifying the tournament the game was played in.

Frankly, I think most finals, especially toward the end, were pretty dang good. Some series I would highlight:

Fantasy vs. JangBi (both OSL finals)
JangBi vs. Zero (OSL semi)
Bisu vs. Savior (MSL final)
Jaedong vs. Flash (MSL final - but almost any series is worth watching)
Jaedong vs. Stork (OSL final)
Bisu vs. Stork (MSL final)
Best vs. Flash (PL finals and All Kill PL matches, particularly on Circuit Breaker)
Fantasy vs. Flash (OSL Semis IIRC)
Boxer vs. Yellow finals are historic and fun
Boxer vs. Reach (Old; OSL finals)


There are also some one-off games that I really like:

Bisu vs. Iris on Return of the King
Bisu vs. Roro on Tau Cross
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Chupung Ryung
Bisu vs. Jaedong on Judgement Day
Bisu vs. Flash on Alternative
Yellow vs. Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge
Bisu vs. Flash on Heart Break Ridge (WCG)
And many more..

As far as "different regions" Brood War was never forced to accommodate weak non-Korean players and jingoistic fan boys by Blizzard like SC2 was, so there was only one region of note for practically all of BW history, and that is Korea. I wouldn't bother too much with non-Korean BW during the KeSPA era.

Happy hunting
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ppp87
Profile Joined May 2016
Laos250 Posts
October 31 2021 19:09 GMT
#7953
Just wondering, can you tell me in few words why terran dont mec switch anymore vs zerg ? I remember it was really popular at some point.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10146 Posts
October 31 2021 19:52 GMT
#7954
On November 01 2021 04:09 ppp87 wrote:
Just wondering, can you tell me in few words why terran dont mec switch anymore vs zerg ? I remember it was really popular at some point.

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/579927-why-did-t-stop-using-transition-to-machinery-vs-z
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
October 31 2021 21:22 GMT
#7955
On November 01 2021 02:38 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2021 01:43 Corncob Johnson wrote:
I am a starcraft 2 fan that wants to learn more about broodwar. Is there some kind of thread or torrent that has the greatest games/tournament matches of all time? Its hard to know where to start. Bonus points if it would have games from many different eras and regions.

There used to be torrents containg all the old MSL/OSL/Proleague games from the past, there are all dead now though afaik.

They're still active, I'm currently only seeding the MSL and MBC Proleague one during my working day (GMT 09.00-17.00), but 10 years on they're still being seeded. I'm not currently seeding the OSL one but been meaning to do that again if I can find the hard drive it's on, however I don't think that's dead either and the MSL one always seems to have other seeders who aren't me.

Links if you want them:
MSL
OSL

However this is not a good way to get into Brood War! I think Tastosis' casts are pretty good for a new person as it gets you into what is happening right now and they tend to explain what's happening for people coming from SC2 often, at least they mention things about SC2 that I know nothing about. Here you can see some of their casts of the current ASL.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
November 02 2021 03:04 GMT
#7956
any koreans here can go to flash's youtube channel and look on his latest videos and translate what any of the hateful comments are saying?
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway691 Posts
November 02 2021 04:10 GMT
#7957
Something about his mother taking a bath el oh el
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
November 02 2021 18:07 GMT
#7958
what
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada407 Posts
November 03 2021 00:14 GMT
#7959
On November 01 2021 01:43 Corncob Johnson wrote:
I am a starcraft 2 fan that wants to learn more about broodwar. Is there some kind of thread or torrent that has the greatest games/tournament matches of all time? Its hard to know where to start. Bonus points if it would have games from many different eras and regions.


https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/190074-vods-broodwar-legacy-2001-2010

since the end of KESPA, the maps and playstyles have evolved significantly. for example new early-game optimizations of standard/classic build orders
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8024 Posts
November 04 2021 15:47 GMT
#7960
Effort with his lurkers

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
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