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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
The players that arose around 2004 had largely replaced the older guard when 2006/07 arrived. I'm thinking players like GGplay, Savior, Julyzerg, Iris, Midas, Casy, Anytime etc They were born around 86-87. The players born from 88-89 had a meteoric rise and by 2008 had for the most part replaced the generation of 86-87. And even though this generation was joined by those from 90-93 in the proceding years, they never really fell off like those from 86-87. I'm inclined to believe it had in part to do with them starting playing at just a couple years younger and where introduced to the game just at the right cut off point in their brains development. Hence they were not replaced so easily by generations younger than them. In addition they were arriving with more or less a modern metagame served on a platter to them. They could consentrate more on training and perfecting skill, whereas the preceding generations had to spend more of their time mapping out strategies and tactics. I believe that legends like Boxer, iloveoov, Savior and Nal_ra were all great thinkers of the game. They did not just copy others, they sought out to understand the game in order to think around it. We should never underestimate how rare original thinkers like these are. The vast majority do what they feel is expected of them. Its wrong to think that they were out of their prime when 2007 came around, rather their success relied on them staying ahead of the metagame. In 2007 however too much was being figured out about the game. Their innovations had one after the other been caught up with the rest of the playerbase. Throw in players that had perfected their intuition and execution from a young age, it seemes that the only thing giving them any edge at that point was experience at playing live in front of an audience | ||
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Highgamer
1439 Posts
But from what I learned about the BW-past that I missed, I was missing one name in your text. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/V2QQuL2.jpg) And indeed his career could not really be explained by your theory: On September 20 2019 07:42 tanngard wrote: [...] The players that arose around 2004 had largely replaced the older guard when 2006/07 arrived. I'm thinking players like GGplay, Savior, Julyzerg, Iris, Midas, Casy, Anytime etc They were born around 86-87. [...] I believe that legends like Boxer, iloveoov, Savior and Nal_ra were all great thinkers of the game. They did not just copy others, they sought out to understand the game in order to think around it. We should never underestimate how rare original thinkers like these are. The vast majority do what they feel is expected of them. [...] Nada was born on friggin November 20, 1984... He won OSLs from 2003 to 2007. He even startled everyone with a new nuke rush in 2019 against one of the best Zergs around today, lel As mentioned, that doesn't mean that you could not be right about the other legends and the 86/87 generation and the 88/89. And obviously Nada couldn't keep up after his early 2007 OSL win. Still his career seems really unique. Must have a special gift. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On September 19 2019 10:48 Alpha-NP- wrote: Something about you press both M+A both on the unit. Like Mutas and workers they don't decelerate as much in between shots. I've been doing this with mutas while simultaneously wondering how people micro their drones so well smh | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On September 20 2019 08:07 Highgamer wrote: Nice hypothesis how and why the BW-generations came and went, and by the following I don't mean to say that it doesn't fit the big picture. But from what I learned about the BW-past that I missed, I was missing one name in your text. + Show Spoiler + And indeed his career could not really be explained by your theory: Nada was born on friggin November 20, 1984... He won OSLs from 2003 to 2007. He even startled everyone with a new nuke rush in 2019 against one of the best Zergs around today, lel As mentioned, that doesn't mean that you could not be right about the other legends and the 86/87 generation and the 88/89. And obviously Nada couldn't keep up after his early 2007 OSL win. Still his career seems really unique. Must have a special gift. For sure there will be outliers. My theory just attempts at helping to explaining the overall picture. About Nada: Nada and Chojja was considered the first really young pros when they broke through in the big leagues. Boxer was 4 years older than them and broke out well over a year before. Nal_ra was 2 years older and Iloveoov was 1 year older, yet both broke out around a year after Nada and Chojja. So yeah, some were a bit younger than normal and some a bit older. Julyzerg and Midas were super young when they starting making their names in 2004, even younger than what Nada and Chojja was two years before. And then came Sea in late 2005. Freakishly young. Born in march 29 1990. His teammate Light too a bit later. Flash and Mind the same thing For sure Nada had longevity, but so did Boxer, Yellow, Reach and Nal_ra (if we compare them age-wise) - despite them belonging to the generation before Nada with inferior mechanics to Nada (altough Nada was the one who was able to win a starleague deep into his career and not just silvers). This of course was also the case for Julyzerg with his OSL win in July 2008. They both had unique gifts for sure. The best example of a late bloomer that i can think of would be Much - The Grandpa Toss | ||
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Vitlich
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TornadoSteve
1080 Posts
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VioleTAK
4338 Posts
On September 26 2019 23:04 Vitlich wrote: Anyone knows what happend to Shuttle? I haven't seen him streaming for a long time, which seems strange taking into account he was always saying that streaming is his job, and he does it for family. He's more than halfway through his army service I think. Can't wait for his return! | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Ideas
United States8136 Posts
I know defiler/lurker/ling/hydra is way more cost-effective than ultra/ling/defiler, but damn I miss watching huge archon armies fighting huge utlra armies with swarms and storms everywhere haha. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway733 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1080 Posts
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Jealous
10202 Posts
 If insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, then every ladder player is clinical level ^^ | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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Jealous
10202 Posts
On October 01 2019 15:02 ggsimida wrote: 1st class honours degree in neuroscience and even studying for a PhD, then nothing but a downspiral spiral in insanity...sad case To be fair, again, going for a Ph.D. in anything relevant to the brain is basically insanity too. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Highgamer
1439 Posts
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
On October 02 2019 04:51 Highgamer wrote: I wonder what race he played... looks like a Protoss to me. 100% terran | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
cant be a terran user 100% protoss cheeser this guy was or a random user that does a all-in/cheese build every ladder game | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
543 Posts
philosophers, artists, politicians, engineers, scholars, and other enlightened gentlemen | ||
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