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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9160 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 03:57:48
August 22 2019 03:29 GMT
#6061
On August 22 2019 12:13 ArcadePlus wrote:
So Flash just dumpstered Rain. How do we think he's going to do against Snow? I imagine Snow is going to do a lot better, and might even win. He just seems less passive than Rain, and I think being very active on the map and taxing Flash's ability to multitask is going to be a very serious problem for Flash due to his injury. So I think Snows style is going to be amplified in effectiveness by this factor.


Rain is sorta like the Protoss version of FlaSh, he plays straight up and likes to optimize builds. Problem is he's not as good as FlaSh so it's a pretty bad matchup for him. Snow is very Stork-esque, he's the type of P that does well vs FlaSh (godly reav micro into godly carrier micro).

The maps are pretty good for T but i can see Snow pulling out a bunch of strong robo/reav timings that might throw FlaSh off his game. I think Snow will win 2 maps (Overwatch and Block Chain, Block Chain fits his style nicely) so he's gonna need to fight for 2+ wins.. which is easier said than done vs Flash. Tripod is gonna be an interesting map, i expect Snow to do something very non-standard to steal a win on it.

It'll probably be 4-2/4-1 for FlaSh but Snow is one of the few players that has a chance vs him. He has to start the series off with strong reaver play to get in FlaSh's head imo. Throw in a 12 nexus etc.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
2 Posts
August 22 2019 12:40 GMT
#6062
Hi to all SC BW players here! I play this great game for almost 20 years and i love it everyday even more!
I was wondered will NaDa play again on ASL or KSL? It would be very nice to see him again! I remember when i saw he will play in ASL S07 i was hyped like when Jordan back to NBA
This match against Larva was insane! I cant remember last time i saw someone use nuke in pro match :D
Dont want to spoil to anyone who didnt saw this one


Anyway if someone didnt watch,trust me you dont want to miss this one

All best to everyone
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany121 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 20:22:13
August 22 2019 14:41 GMT
#6063
It's unlikely that we will see him again anytime soon in an ASL/KSL. He hasn't streamed bw since April or so
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania4197 Posts
August 23 2019 14:45 GMT
#6064
Man....The Britney stream is exploding! Almost 38k viewers... Guemchi, rain - under 2k, and the rest under 1k...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10738 Posts
August 23 2019 14:59 GMT
#6065
On August 22 2019 12:29 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 12:13 ArcadePlus wrote:
So Flash just dumpstered Rain. How do we think he's going to do against Snow? I imagine Snow is going to do a lot better, and might even win. He just seems less passive than Rain, and I think being very active on the map and taxing Flash's ability to multitask is going to be a very serious problem for Flash due to his injury. So I think Snows style is going to be amplified in effectiveness by this factor.


Rain is sorta like the Protoss version of FlaSh, he plays straight up and likes to optimize builds. Problem is he's not as good as FlaSh so it's a pretty bad matchup for him. Snow is very Stork-esque, he's the type of P that does well vs FlaSh (godly reav micro into godly carrier micro).

The maps are pretty good for T but i can see Snow pulling out a bunch of strong robo/reav timings that might throw FlaSh off his game. I think Snow will win 2 maps (Overwatch and Block Chain, Block Chain fits his style nicely) so he's gonna need to fight for 2+ wins.. which is easier said than done vs Flash. Tripod is gonna be an interesting map, i expect Snow to do something very non-standard to steal a win on it.

It'll probably be 4-2/4-1 for FlaSh but Snow is one of the few players that has a chance vs him. He has to start the series off with strong reaver play to get in FlaSh's head imo. Throw in a 12 nexus etc.

Agreed on all points. Flash is definitely not unbeatable. I wonder what he will pull out though, considering in his mind it is the last big match he may ever play. We saw some pretty interesting preparation and strategies vs Rain, not just textbook + mechanics. We'll probably see more of that in the final, Snow is going to have to react very cleanly to whatever wrench Flash throws into is plans. It won't be any good if Snow can't even get to reavers cleanly. Flash is definitely not that interested in playing a long game every game, and in a bo7 we might see the problems with his arm show through even if he starts out strong. He was grabbing his shoulder even before the match started vs Rain. He played one long game and then knocked rain out very fast the next two games. If Snow really wants to play the meta game, he might just try to make the games go long, though that would be pretty scummy. I remember being mad at players who did that just after Flash's first surgery so many years ago. He has always played through the pain, but I think there could be a psychological affect to worrying if he's going to push it too far that might affect more than just mechanics.

I think we'll see Flash at peak cunning for this final. Snow has got a shot for a lot of reasons, not least of which is his PvT is Flash level and he had beaten him before lol. Almost like Light's TvZ being 4 kings level back in the day.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
999 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 23:08:24
August 23 2019 23:05 GMT
#6066


Just so more people can enjoy this.

Actually its about Stork making his "teammates" go crazy. But it's really comforting in a way (with a furtive tear in my eye) to see Flash like this at the moment, given what in all likelyhood will happen after he wins this ASL. I hope we will be able to at least watch this Flash in the future.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania4197 Posts
August 25 2019 21:20 GMT
#6067
OMG! I LOVE THEM SO MUCH ! But what does it mean ? BTS ??
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 21:25:02
August 25 2019 21:24 GMT
#6068
Stork makes everyone go wet, nothing surprising. This guy is the most intelligent toss ever. + Show Spoiler +
Also carrier kreygasm God
sunbeams are never made like me...
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3417 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 23:10:45
August 25 2019 22:42 GMT
#6069
Two recommended games by me!

Good tvp; Publicerades den 2 aug. 2019



Good tvz; Publicerades den 7 aug. 2019
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States727 Posts
August 27 2019 16:30 GMT
#6070
On August 23 2019 23:59 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 12:29 TT1 wrote:
On August 22 2019 12:13 ArcadePlus wrote:
So Flash just dumpstered Rain. How do we think he's going to do against Snow? I imagine Snow is going to do a lot better, and might even win. He just seems less passive than Rain, and I think being very active on the map and taxing Flash's ability to multitask is going to be a very serious problem for Flash due to his injury. So I think Snows style is going to be amplified in effectiveness by this factor.


Rain is sorta like the Protoss version of FlaSh, he plays straight up and likes to optimize builds. Problem is he's not as good as FlaSh so it's a pretty bad matchup for him. Snow is very Stork-esque, he's the type of P that does well vs FlaSh (godly reav micro into godly carrier micro).

The maps are pretty good for T but i can see Snow pulling out a bunch of strong robo/reav timings that might throw FlaSh off his game. I think Snow will win 2 maps (Overwatch and Block Chain, Block Chain fits his style nicely) so he's gonna need to fight for 2+ wins.. which is easier said than done vs Flash. Tripod is gonna be an interesting map, i expect Snow to do something very non-standard to steal a win on it.

It'll probably be 4-2/4-1 for FlaSh but Snow is one of the few players that has a chance vs him. He has to start the series off with strong reaver play to get in FlaSh's head imo. Throw in a 12 nexus etc.

Agreed on all points. Flash is definitely not unbeatable. I wonder what he will pull out though, considering in his mind it is the last big match he may ever play. We saw some pretty interesting preparation and strategies vs Rain, not just textbook + mechanics. We'll probably see more of that in the final, Snow is going to have to react very cleanly to whatever wrench Flash throws into is plans. It won't be any good if Snow can't even get to reavers cleanly. Flash is definitely not that interested in playing a long game every game, and in a bo7 we might see the problems with his arm show through even if he starts out strong. He was grabbing his shoulder even before the match started vs Rain. He played one long game and then knocked rain out very fast the next two games. If Snow really wants to play the meta game, he might just try to make the games go long, though that would be pretty scummy. I remember being mad at players who did that just after Flash's first surgery so many years ago. He has always played through the pain, but I think there could be a psychological affect to worrying if he's going to push it too far that might affect more than just mechanics.

I think we'll see Flash at peak cunning for this final. Snow has got a shot for a lot of reasons, not least of which is his PvT is Flash level and he had beaten him before lol. Almost like Light's TvZ being 4 kings level back in the day.


This for sure. Will be interesting to see if Flash pulls out any trickery for some fast games to shorten the series. Bo7 is more conducive to this as well. If the games are all decent length, advantage Snow once it gets to game 6/7. Flash said he can only really play 3 games a day now.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary4621 Posts
August 27 2019 20:14 GMT
#6071
Not sure where to post but TBLS all in spon Elo top10. When was the last time this was the case?

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The heart's eternal vow
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary4621 Posts
August 27 2019 20:30 GMT
#6072
On August 26 2019 06:20 prosatan wrote:
OMG! I LOVE THEM SO MUCH ! But what does it mean ? BTS ??

chat seems to indicate it's like baengtanso like his nick name plus carbon? My korean is childish at best so take it with grain of salt.
The heart's eternal vow
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States839 Posts
August 27 2019 23:42 GMT
#6073
On August 22 2019 12:29 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 12:13 ArcadePlus wrote:
So Flash just dumpstered Rain. How do we think he's going to do against Snow? I imagine Snow is going to do a lot better, and might even win. He just seems less passive than Rain, and I think being very active on the map and taxing Flash's ability to multitask is going to be a very serious problem for Flash due to his injury. So I think Snows style is going to be amplified in effectiveness by this factor.


Rain is sorta like the Protoss version of FlaSh, he plays straight up and likes to optimize builds. Problem is he's not as good as FlaSh so it's a pretty bad matchup for him. Snow is very Stork-esque, he's the type of P that does well vs FlaSh (godly reav micro into godly carrier micro).

The maps are pretty good for T but i can see Snow pulling out a bunch of strong robo/reav timings that might throw FlaSh off his game. I think Snow will win 2 maps (Overwatch and Block Chain, Block Chain fits his style nicely) so he's gonna need to fight for 2+ wins.. which is easier said than done vs Flash. Tripod is gonna be an interesting map, i expect Snow to do something very non-standard to steal a win on it.

It'll probably be 4-2/4-1 for FlaSh but Snow is one of the few players that has a chance vs him. He has to start the series off with strong reaver play to get in FlaSh's head imo. Throw in a 12 nexus etc.



12nexus... cross spots is how best always gets his wins from flash

flash even said on stream 12nexus can give protoss the lead and does have almost no possible counter from terran
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1650 Posts
August 28 2019 00:03 GMT
#6074
On August 28 2019 05:30 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2019 06:20 prosatan wrote:
OMG! I LOVE THEM SO MUCH ! But what does it mean ? BTS ??

chat seems to indicate it's like baengtanso like his nick name plus carbon? My korean is childish at best so take it with grain of salt.

Best Toss Stork.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania4197 Posts
August 28 2019 09:47 GMT
#6075
Look here boys and girls !

For the finals between Flash and Snow, these two great players decided to switch races



+ Show Spoiler +
As expected, Flash won!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland220 Posts
August 28 2019 10:23 GMT
#6076
On August 28 2019 18:47 prosatan wrote:
Look here boys and girls !

For the finals between Flash and Snow, these two great players decided to switch races

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwtIQYO-tI

+ Show Spoiler +
As expected, Flash won!



Damm, that was brutal.
it's not just a music it's something else
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States7737 Posts
August 28 2019 15:33 GMT
#6077
On August 28 2019 05:14 PVJ wrote:
Not sure where to post but TBLS all in spon Elo top10. When was the last time this was the case?



Damn that's so cool. I thought JD was mostly on idle mode in BW as until like 2 weeks ago every time I checked his stream he was just playing PUBG or LoL. Glad to see it looks like he's got his motivation back.

What are the odds that TBLS all get on the same team for the next MPL? haha.
I like starcraft
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES44840 Posts
August 28 2019 16:54 GMT
#6078
On August 29 2019 00:33 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2019 05:14 PVJ wrote:
Not sure where to post but TBLS all in spon Elo top10. When was the last time this was the case?



Damn that's so cool. I thought JD was mostly on idle mode in BW as until like 2 weeks ago every time I checked his stream he was just playing PUBG or LoL. Glad to see it looks like he's got his motivation back.

What are the odds that TBLS all get on the same team for the next MPL? haha.


Unlikely but who knows what will happen during the draft stage.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania4197 Posts
August 30 2019 06:50 GMT
#6079
Only if Rain played like this in his semifinal vs Flash.....



Also, you can see that Storks apm doesn't exceed 250-260 in middle game...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
91 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 15:50:59
August 30 2019 15:48 GMT
#6080
Who did be play against? Fun game, he makes it look so easy, and this reminds me of how bad I am at this game lol

Edit: nvm its vs Last. Impressive!
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