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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-21 05:23:01
March 21 2018 04:36 GMT
#4481
On March 21 2018 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 09:34 Letmelose wrote:
On March 18 2018 11:10 Alejandrisha wrote:
the fictional ideal age of a bw (14-19?) pro has been destroyed....... ??? could be a good kotaku article. not that i read them. just like i dont read breitbart just to lol at the comments..


There has never been a 14 year old champion of a major individual league championship. There has only been two champions who were younger than 17 (Mind winning GomTV MSL S3 at the age of 16, and Flash winning Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeague at the age of 15). So I don't know which source you are quoting if you think people thought 14 year olds made for perfect professional Brood War players.

However, it was the general consensus that under extremely competitive environments (where the turnover rate of talent is rapid and incessant), that professional Brood War players usually hit their career primes before the age of 20.

It is a fact that has been proven by the mean age (just over 19) of the champions of all 61 major individual leagues that has taken place in over a decade. There has been more players crowned as champions between the ages of 18 and 19 than any other age.

So if the ideal age of a professional Brood War player being around 19 is a myth, I guess it means that the trend that had been ongoing for over a decade must have been a farce, instead of the current scene being completely devoid of a healthy influx of new talent.


soooo what's the "myth" then? we splitting hairs between 17 and 19?


15 year old champions: 1 instances
16 year old champions: 1 instances
17 year old champions: 10 instances
18 year old champions: 13 instances
19 year old champions: 12 instances
20 year old champions: 10 instances
21 year old champions: 9 instances
22 year old champions: 3 instances
23 year old champions: 1 instances

Mean age: approximately 19 years of age

There are more late bloomers than there are extreme prodigies (before the age of 17), but it does seem like the big bulk of success at the professional level comes between the ages of 17 and 20.

I don't necessarily think that it has much to do with biological limitations, but once you factor in the fact that even the most enduring professional careers tend to peter out in terms of productivity after six years or so, and the fact that most professional gamers start their career in their teens; it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why it was so difficult to find top tier professional Brood War players who were well into their 20s.

The circumstances surrounding today are entirely different, due to the talent pool being something of a closed system. I don't think it is anything alike for a player to thrive competitively despite being in their late 20s. I'm sure BoxeR would have been rocking it well into his 30s if his competition was entirely restricted to people who were competing circa 1999 such as H.O.T-Forever and SKELTON. It wasn't his peers or even players who came immediately after BoxeR such as YellOw and Reach that spelled doom for BoxeR as a top tier competitor, it was the non-stop renewal of generation upon generation of new godly talent that eventually rendered BoxeR obsolete. It is something that no top tier Brood War players had to struggle with for quite some time.
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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
April 02 2018 01:20 GMT
#4482
I couldn't find a better place to post this, so when I try to TLPD-ise some stuff (I am trying to add more KCM Race Match VODs), for the players, it automatically tries to link it only to SC2 profiles, it doesn't use the BW TLPD profiles, how can I fix this?
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51685 Posts
April 02 2018 01:53 GMT
#4483
right click the tlpd icon and choose from there
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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
April 02 2018 01:55 GMT
#4484
On April 02 2018 10:53 GTR wrote:
right click the tlpd icon and choose from there

Ahh thank you very much!
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12051 Posts
April 05 2018 23:59 GMT
#4485
Lilsusie I have no idea if you read TL anymore, but thanks for all the stuff you did back in the day for us here for Broodwar. Bigups for saying BW is the superior game at that Pax panel too! :D
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19383 Posts
April 06 2018 01:14 GMT
#4486
On April 06 2018 08:59 Qikz wrote:
Lilsusie I have no idea if you read TL anymore, but thanks for all the stuff you did back in the day for us here for Broodwar. Bigups for saying BW is the superior game at that Pax panel too! :D

She just got a job as a gm of an Overwatch team.

https://spitfire.overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/london-spitfire-welcome-new-general-manager
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10361 Posts
April 06 2018 02:18 GMT
#4487
On April 06 2018 08:59 Qikz wrote:
Lilsusie I have no idea if you read TL anymore, but thanks for all the stuff you did back in the day for us here for Broodwar. Bigups for saying BW is the superior game at that Pax panel too! :D

I'll pass it along!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
April 06 2018 03:21 GMT
#4488
On April 06 2018 08:59 Qikz wrote:
Lilsusie I have no idea if you read TL anymore, but thanks for all the stuff you did back in the day for us here for Broodwar. Bigups for saying BW is the superior game at that Pax panel too! :D


Awwww thank you!! <3
Follow me on Twitter for pictures of cute gamers and food! https://twitter.com/lilsusie
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12051 Posts
April 06 2018 10:20 GMT
#4489
On April 06 2018 10:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 08:59 Qikz wrote:
Lilsusie I have no idea if you read TL anymore, but thanks for all the stuff you did back in the day for us here for Broodwar. Bigups for saying BW is the superior game at that Pax panel too! :D

She just got a job as a gm of an Overwatch team.

https://spitfire.overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/london-spitfire-welcome-new-general-manager


Everyone moving into Overwatch and HoTS recently. Kinda crazy! I enjoy playing it, but I don't think I could cast it. I've tried casting FPS games before and it's an entire different beast.

Spitfires best team though! <3
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2759 Posts
April 06 2018 12:08 GMT
#4490
How do you know if people talk about heart of the swarm or heros of the storm? Oh I guess since lotv came after hots everyone talking about hots can be presumed to talk about heroes of the storm now.

I was a bit bored at work and started reading some sc2 stuff on liquipedia. Then I veered to dota 2. Damn dota 2 is big. It dwarfs all the other e-sports.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19249 Posts
April 06 2018 12:10 GMT
#4491
Except for LoL
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LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina246 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-11 18:05:37
April 11 2018 18:00 GMT
#4492
I have noticed that in some games of the ASL5 on Transistor some Terrans made the first suply depot kind of stacked with the Command center. I may be wrong here but I think I saw it like 3 times so far, so I'm pretty positive about it. I'm thinking this is maybe a special feature of this map given the extremely narrow main but maybe only for terran race? Have anyone else noticed it? Is it something that has already been discused here? Can anyone here elaborate a little further on this?
Standard Queens
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina246 Posts
April 11 2018 18:04 GMT
#4493
In case someone has not seen it yet here is exhibit A: God vs Mind Ro16 day 1.
Standard Queens
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
April 11 2018 18:12 GMT
#4494
I think zerg can stack a spawning pool the same way.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
PorkSoda
Profile Joined September 2015
170 Posts
April 11 2018 18:18 GMT
#4495
On April 12 2018 03:00 LocoBolon wrote:
I have noticed that in some games of the ASL5 on Transistor some Terrans made the first suply depot kind of stacked with the Command center. I may be wrong here but I think I saw it like 3 times so far, so I'm pretty positive about it. I'm thinking this is maybe a special feature of this map given the extremely narrow main but maybe only for terran race? Have anyone else noticed it? Is it something that has already been discused here? Can anyone here elaborate a little further on this?

I just wonder, if they had to lift the CC for some reason could they land it again?
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina246 Posts
April 11 2018 18:37 GMT
#4496
On April 12 2018 03:18 PorkSoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 03:00 LocoBolon wrote:
I have noticed that in some games of the ASL5 on Transistor some Terrans made the first suply depot kind of stacked with the Command center. I may be wrong here but I think I saw it like 3 times so far, so I'm pretty positive about it. I'm thinking this is maybe a special feature of this map given the extremely narrow main but maybe only for terran race? Have anyone else noticed it? Is it something that has already been discused here? Can anyone here elaborate a little further on this?

I just wonder, if they had to lift the CC for some reason could they land it again?


Well im the one with questions, not answers... but yeah i think they could, if not they wouldnt be allowed to build add on to CC either right?
Standard Queens
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10361 Posts
April 11 2018 19:45 GMT
#4497
It was discussed, I believe in this very thread but I may be mistaken and it could be in some ASL thread or Information from Korea. Try using the search function.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
April 24 2018 18:19 GMT
#4498
so what's up with the gases on sparkle? i would think the obs would click on the 3rd gas or maybe they can't.. does the zerg-only gas have 2k gas? 2.5k gas? can't seem to find the version they use on asl to download
get rich or die mining
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5818 Posts
April 24 2018 18:29 GMT
#4499
On April 25 2018 03:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
so what's up with the gases on sparkle? i would think the obs would click on the 3rd gas or maybe they can't.. does the zerg-only gas have 2k gas? 2.5k gas? can't seem to find the version they use on asl to download

I think TLPD has the latest version.
FBH #1!
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
April 24 2018 19:15 GMT
#4500
Ahh so much new interest in this game. If there was ever a time for Flash and Jaedong and Proleague and winners league to return to the scene, now would be that time.
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