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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 20 2017 16:39 GMT
#3981
On August 21 2017 01:37 Jonoman92 wrote:
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On August 21 2017 01:33 Ganfei2 wrote:
I've watched a few streamers who play with the HD graphics but keep the game itself at the old 4:3 ratio. I would like to try that out, but am not sure how they do it. Anyone know? Thanks.


Check the pillar box option in the video options. At least I think this is what you want.


That or run windowed mode. You can't run windowed mode in 16
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 20 2017 19:41 GMT
#3982
Is there any chance that BWChart or BwRepInfo add support for the new replay format? sorting out replays by playing all of them is such a painT_T
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
August 20 2017 22:51 GMT
#3983
Having fun playing BW, glad the ladder seems to be finally working after a few days of not matching anyone.
I'm such a total novice at this game, I was more of an Age of Empires player back in the day and SC2 learned skills apparently don't transfer backwards.

Shout out to my last opponent who after seeing the mess that was my build order, gave me some advice before sending his army in to slaughter me. I don't think in all the games I've played of SC2 anyway has ever done that. So Cheers infamis if you read this. GG.
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probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
August 21 2017 00:33 GMT
#3984
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
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On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
August 21 2017 01:50 GMT
#3985
On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
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On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 21 2017 03:06 GMT
#3986
I've forgotten how much fun this game is!
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probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 03:33:34
August 21 2017 03:32 GMT
#3987
On August 21 2017 10:50 SnowfaLL wrote:
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On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)



Let me explain the logic to you. Master in sc2 is second highest rank. Lets call it C+ on iccup level equivalent to be conservative. I can tell you with 100% certainty that even with RTS experience coming from sc2 there is no way you could reach C+ eqivalent in a month with BW. You would spend a year or more fighting it out at D or D- level. That was my original point.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 21 2017 03:45 GMT
#3988
On August 21 2017 12:32 probelife66 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 10:50 SnowfaLL wrote:
On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)



Let me explain the logic to you. Master in sc2 is second highest rank. Lets call it C+ on iccup level equivalent to be conservative. I can tell you with 100% certainty that even with RTS experience coming from sc2 there is no way you could reach C+ eqivalent in a month with BW. You would spend a year or more fighting it out at D or D- level. That was my original point.


that is such an over exaggeration lmao. people with 'high level' rts experience reached B- on iccup in less than 6 months back in 2008/9: see beastyqt or kolll. if you're masters in sc2, you can reach C- at least in less than a year if you actually try hard
probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
August 21 2017 03:56 GMT
#3989
On August 21 2017 12:45 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 12:32 probelife66 wrote:
On August 21 2017 10:50 SnowfaLL wrote:
On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)



Let me explain the logic to you. Master in sc2 is second highest rank. Lets call it C+ on iccup level equivalent to be conservative. I can tell you with 100% certainty that even with RTS experience coming from sc2 there is no way you could reach C+ eqivalent in a month with BW. You would spend a year or more fighting it out at D or D- level. That was my original point.


that is such an over exaggeration lmao. people with 'high level' rts experience reached B- on iccup in less than 6 months back in 2008/9: see beastyqt or kolll. if you're masters in sc2, you can reach C- at least in less than a year if you actually try hard


Completely disagree.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 21 2017 04:01 GMT
#3990
On August 21 2017 12:56 probelife66 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 12:45 rauk wrote:
On August 21 2017 12:32 probelife66 wrote:
On August 21 2017 10:50 SnowfaLL wrote:
On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)



Let me explain the logic to you. Master in sc2 is second highest rank. Lets call it C+ on iccup level equivalent to be conservative. I can tell you with 100% certainty that even with RTS experience coming from sc2 there is no way you could reach C+ eqivalent in a month with BW. You would spend a year or more fighting it out at D or D- level. That was my original point.


that is such an over exaggeration lmao. people with 'high level' rts experience reached B- on iccup in less than 6 months back in 2008/9: see beastyqt or kolll. if you're masters in sc2, you can reach C- at least in less than a year if you actually try hard


Completely disagree.


When did you play SC2? 1 month in 2010 when the game first came out or in 2013? Would be curious as if you played when the game just came out, everyone was new and was insanely easy to get masters.

Also really easy to get C- if you have previous RTS experience. You also can't really compare SC2 rankings to Iccup ratings. SC2 rankings there is always a certain percentage of players that are in masters. Iccup didn't have that "rule".
When I think of something else, something will go here
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11391 Posts
August 21 2017 04:05 GMT
#3991
who doesnt love faust

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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 04:24:06
August 21 2017 04:18 GMT
#3992
On August 21 2017 13:01 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 12:56 probelife66 wrote:
On August 21 2017 12:45 rauk wrote:
On August 21 2017 12:32 probelife66 wrote:
On August 21 2017 10:50 SnowfaLL wrote:
On August 21 2017 09:33 probelife66 wrote:
On August 20 2017 10:40 duke91 wrote:
On August 20 2017 09:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:34 Jan1997 wrote:
Seems to me skill in SC2 doesn't transfer well over to BW.

Watching Dragon get owned at 15-1600mmr got me thinking that.

Same goes for me really. I can't control jackshit in terms of army when I get beyond 100 supply. So I just end my games as fast as I can. Literally played last 15 games like that.




Most players coming back are going to be really bad for awhile. I mean it would be the same way if a BW player went to SC2. Have to get used to the different mechanics, build orders, etc.


Dunno. I went over to SC2 for a month in 2011 and went 70-5 or something ridiculous.


This is true.. I went from bw to master rank in SEA server in like a month. SC2 is way easier in my opinion.


Masters isnt some insane rank to achieve in SC2, it should be the standard rank of anyone with prior RTS experience. Getting GM in a month is another story, or top 100 even.

I think switching back to BW is easier for most who have played BW in their past (I feel much stronger than when I played before, from my SC2 experience) as opposed to those who've never played BW before switching, because the mechanics are quite different.

But of course, on this forum, SC2 is the worst game of all time and anyone who plays it is completely newb, and BW iccup C+ ranks would be #1 in the world in a month because its so easy (like that Flash fellow who couldn't win any korean tournaments for 3 years.. oh wait..)



Let me explain the logic to you. Master in sc2 is second highest rank. Lets call it C+ on iccup level equivalent to be conservative. I can tell you with 100% certainty that even with RTS experience coming from sc2 there is no way you could reach C+ eqivalent in a month with BW. You would spend a year or more fighting it out at D or D- level. That was my original point.


that is such an over exaggeration lmao. people with 'high level' rts experience reached B- on iccup in less than 6 months back in 2008/9: see beastyqt or kolll. if you're masters in sc2, you can reach C- at least in less than a year if you actually try hard


Completely disagree.


When did you play SC2? 1 month in 2010 when the game first came out or in 2013? Would be curious as if you played when the game just came out, everyone was new and was insanely easy to get masters.

Also really easy to get C- if you have previous RTS experience. You also can't really compare SC2 rankings to Iccup ratings. SC2 rankings there is always a certain percentage of players that are in masters. Iccup didn't have that "rule".


mmm i dont think 2011 masters (wasn't added til 1.2) was that much different from 2015/16 but i quit before they made mmr visible so

also while iccup doesn't explicitly say "we want X% of players in A/B/C" i think any ranking system will naturally produce such a % based distribution
probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 04:35:02
August 21 2017 04:30 GMT
#3993
By disagreeing with me your basically arguing SC2 and bw require the same skill level. Which they don't. You wont see foreign pros beating be pros as often as they do in SC2. Anyway that's fine if u disagree, just don't try and call me out like I'm saying something outlandish. Your just part of groupthink, I get it.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 04:39:12
August 21 2017 04:36 GMT
#3994
lol. they require different skills. they are different games. bw requires more apm than sc2, that's fine, who cares? also foreign pros beat korean pros all the time in broodwar up until like 2004 or 5, then all the foreigners quit bw. if there were as many foreigners playing bw as there are playing sc2 now, you'd see similar results in sc2 where kors are still on top but drop random games/series to the best foreigners (which still fucking happened even at the end of kespa era.... see legend beating 3 stx players in a row. or pj vs effort. or jaystar vs bisu)
probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 05:36:21
August 21 2017 05:10 GMT
#3995
On August 21 2017 13:36 rauk wrote:
lol. they require different skills. they are different games. bw requires more apm than sc2, that's fine, who cares? also foreign pros beat korean pros all the time in broodwar up until like 2004 or 5, then all the foreigners quit bw. if there were as many foreigners playing bw as there are playing sc2 now, you'd see similar results in sc2 where kors are still on top but drop random games/series to the best foreigners (which still fucking happened even at the end of kespa era.... see legend beating 3 stx players in a row. or pj vs effort. or jaystar vs bisu)


I don't need to reply further, your ignorance is on display for all to see.

User was warned for this post
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28694 Posts
August 21 2017 07:22 GMT
#3996
On August 21 2017 13:30 probelife66 wrote:
By disagreeing with me your basically arguing SC2 and bw require the same skill level. Which they don't. You wont see foreign pros beating be pros as often as they do in SC2. Anyway that's fine if u disagree, just don't try and call me out like I'm saying something outlandish. Your just part of groupthink, I get it.


Dude, learn to read and argue. He's not saying that at all. He's saying that the idea that anyone who starts playing bw is going to spend a year in the D- / D ranks is a wild exaggeration, and he's right. A top sc2 player can absolutely get to c+ ranks or thereabouts through 6 months of dedicated practice. The thing most players struggle the most with is the concept of 'always do everything as fast as you can' - this is something sc2 players are already familiar with. Understanding strategies and build orders well enough to achieve c+ is not all that complicated.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 07:45:53
August 21 2017 07:40 GMT
#3997
On August 21 2017 13:36 rauk wrote:
lol. they require different skills. they are different games. bw requires more apm than sc2, that's fine, who cares? also foreign pros beat korean pros all the time in broodwar up until like 2004 or 5, then all the foreigners quit bw. if there were as many foreigners playing bw as there are playing sc2 now, you'd see similar results in sc2 where kors are still on top but drop random games/series to the best foreigners (which still fucking happened even at the end of kespa era.... see legend beating 3 stx players in a row. or pj vs effort. or jaystar vs bisu)

But foreigners still beat koreans, They even won a KeSPA cup...

Also you can't really make the statement, Master second highest rank, there fore somebody should be X on ICCUP, because
1) In SC2 you have 1 that is not percentage based, while the rest is not,
2) The percentages of the ranks are important when you compare them
3) The player pool and the type of player is also important, ie the top 30% brood war players are probably a lot better than the top 30% sc2 due to the smaller player pool etc.
4) Some skills are easier to apply than others, if a player is really good in mind games, that skill will manifest slower than good mechanics
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10211 Posts
August 21 2017 07:52 GMT
#3998
On August 21 2017 13:05 Harem wrote:
who doesnt love faust

https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateExuberantBatUncleNox

I was about to post the bisu mouth gif... but then I saw the result... lol
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probelife66
Profile Joined March 2017
142 Posts
August 21 2017 08:24 GMT
#3999
On August 21 2017 16:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On August 21 2017 13:30 probelife66 wrote:
By disagreeing with me your basically arguing SC2 and bw require the same skill level. Which they don't. You wont see foreign pros beating be pros as often as they do in SC2. Anyway that's fine if u disagree, just don't try and call me out like I'm saying something outlandish. Your just part of groupthink, I get it.


Dude, learn to read and argue. He's not saying that at all. He's saying that the idea that anyone who starts playing bw is going to spend a year in the D- / D ranks is a wild exaggeration, and he's right. A top sc2 player can absolutely get to c+ ranks or thereabouts through 6 months of dedicated practice. The thing most players struggle the most with is the concept of 'always do everything as fast as you can' - this is something sc2 players are already familiar with. Understanding strategies and build orders well enough to achieve c+ is not all that complicated.


Learn to run a community website. I was having an open debate, not attacking anyone viciously. Now I know where the old school boys club mentality comes from. Fuck you and your little band of trigger happy moderators.

User was temp banned for this post.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2115 Posts
August 22 2017 00:40 GMT
#4000
Which server is it best to play from Australia ?
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