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Physician
United States4146 Posts
/copy-paste (with permission) he is too humble of a guy to do this himself, just not his style - so I took the liberty.
original: http://www.pgtour.net/news.view.php?id=2412&db=bw
Define Your Community
Friday, August 11th, 2006 - Posted by Endurance
Define Your Community
A new Project to provide for the community a permanent and more collective repository for Starcraft content.
A week ago I was enjoying my visit to Wikipedia but when I started to actually write some information about Starcraft gaming, I noticed that it is very difficult to do so because since Starcraft gaming terms are not known very well to a large portion of the world, Wikipedia requires a ridiculously large amount of citation which leaves something to be desired.
It got me wondering about Wikipedia itself and how and who managed it, plus how it could apply better to the StarCraft community at large. It also made me realize that the community, from a content and information perspective, lacks continuity sometimes. How many good pages with decent content have disappeared? How many good forums have evaporated? How many times a key person quits the game, and a whole website is deleted?
Many of us know how powerful the, now extinct, Broodwar.com was, or similar equivalent website today, TeamLiquid and its forums are today. Why? Who made them so succesful? Us. It is we, who contribute the most to any forum or StarCraft site. We the StarCraft fans, the members. Name any dynamic great StarCraft site, and it will always be the regular Starcraft member, that collectively, left the most, but when the domain goes, so does the content and work.
So I put two and two together and thought: Hey, we need a Starcraft Gaming Wiki.
Now, I did my bit of research and found that there was indeed a Starcraft Wiki that was in development at some point in time. However, this Wiki was about Starcraft itself; storyline, characters, gameplay, units, etc... The one I envisioned was about Starcraft gaming; about progamers, maps, matches matchup strategies, amateur players, websites, VODs, BGMs, etc...
Without further ado, I'd like to hand over to you the Starcraft Gaming Wiki.
Why hand over? Because it is YOURS. You define terms, you edit, you write up articles. This does not belong to PGTour, it belongs to the entire Starcraft community. Of course we'll have some organization (read the getting started pages) but as is Wikipedia, this will be open to everyone. So next time you are dying to post some information about Starcraft, look no further.
It is a more applicable and permanent place than even a message board. How long will it last? Ten years, already paid for. When times comes, if this game is still around the torch will be passed on.
//Endurance
The Project
http://wiki.pgtour.net/MainPage
http://wiki.pgtour.net/PageIndex (one days work so far, just imagine after a few years)
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awesome 
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Hopefully you can make a page that non-Starcraft players can enjoy as well.
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great idea, I think you can add league histories from this page http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/articles.php
Question: is this part of pgtour.net or wikipedia.org?
xxx.yyy.net is part of yyy.net right?
but I saw wiki editing page (tools) in it
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
omfg i think i did something very bad suddenly the fucking pageindex disappeared i added an entry about Yellow then like .. oh shit.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh someone kill me -________-;;
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Hmm the Wiki information about SC and the Korean progaming scene definitely needs a serious update
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
#spammerA
it is hosted by pgtour, domain and hosting is guaranteed for 10 years upfront. It is not part of wikepedia.org (nor is it really a pgtour project in staff and contenr, only hosting.) Some of us will transfer most of StarCraft wikipedia's conent, particularly older material before it was raped.
# alffla
Don't worry too much Endurace will recover it.
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On August 13 2006 00:23 alffla wrote:
omfg i think i did something very bad suddenly the fucking pageindex disappeared i added an entry about Yellow then like .. oh shit.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh someone kill me -________-;;
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Nono, you need not worry. I simply clicked the date at the bottom of the index page, and then clicked the earliest date of the page. I then clicked "Re-edit this revision" and clicked "save." Bam! All back to normal. Anyone can do it too! ^^
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17053 Posts
I had the exact same idea while ago, I just couldn't find hosting.
I heart Endurance
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United States10774 Posts
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How do we give our input about the interface? I LOVE the idea, however I need to make several suggestions.
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ok I set us up a really basic page using the layout from the PGT entry. Gogo add a shitload of info about tl.net!!!
TeamLiquid.net Entry
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take a look at http://www.sleepyshat.org
thats a good example of a community using wikipedia, i dont really like the design pgt have so far.
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How do I add stuff after regsitering? 
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well keep in mind it's really new. the more time i spend here though the more exciting it seems. LOTS of potential.
you can add articles by going to http://wiki.pgtour.net/articletitle in order to create an entry for articletitle. I would think that soon an "add entry" button will be added, though.
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O I know, I should draw out a hierarchal pyramid with gosugamers.net at the bottom, sclegacy.com ontop, teamliquid.net above it, and the top korean sites at the tippy top with some sort of comical picture to go along with all of them :D! Waita minute that would be discriminatory nvm I waste space this post rarara.
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I noticed that there seems to be an inconsistency with the "proper Romanization" of the names of pro gamers. I don't have Korean text enabled here atm, but the proper romanization for the -| sound ("uh" ) is "eo". Oov's name is properly romanized Choi Yeon-Seong in that case, however you have it written as Choi Yeon-Sung as the proper romanization. In Romanization, the vowel "u" indicates the "oo" sound ( T looking character in Korean alphabet).
Just something to consider if you're looking to uphold the same quality and accurate standards that wiki upholds (I know you're not directly affiliated with them). Thanks for the site though, will come in handy.
edit: NaDa's is correct, Reach's is incorrect as it should be Park Jeong-Seok. I know it looks ugly and I prefer writing Jung-Suk myself when referring to him, but I suppose in the end it's all up to what you want, the socially accepted romanization of their names or the proper ones.
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Your "It could be worse" article, and now this? Wow Physician, you got my entire respect and admiration.
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Yea, the wiki setup looks much better. So, whats the offical word on perhaps switching to that.
Another thing that I dont like is how "formatting rules" and other similar games are in the page index. Sure its a page, but the avg visitor thats looking for info probably does not want to see that page when they are looking for sc info. Either get it out of the index and have a seperate section for it or have a seperate section for all sc info.
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On August 13 2006 14:06 PanoRaMa wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be an inconsistency with the "proper Romanization" of the names of pro gamers. I don't have Korean text enabled here atm, but the proper romanization for the -| sound ("uh" ) is "eo". Oov's name is properly romanized Choi Yeon-Seong in that case, however you have it written as Choi Yeon-Sung as the proper romanization. In Romanization, the vowel "u" indicates the "oo" sound ( T looking character in Korean alphabet).
Just something to consider if you're looking to uphold the same quality and accurate standards that wiki upholds (I know you're not directly affiliated with them). Thanks for the site though, will come in handy.
edit: NaDa's is correct, Reach's is incorrect as it should be Park Jeong-Seok. I know it looks ugly and I prefer writing Jung-Suk myself when referring to him, but I suppose in the end it's all up to what you want, the socially accepted romanization of their names or the proper ones.
.... what?
My name has an -| [ I don't have korean on this computer either ] in it and it is definitely not pronounced with an ' eo ' sound.
Kang Chul Min. It is not Kang Cheol Min.
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On August 13 2006 14:30 Knickknack wrote:
Yea, the wiki setup looks much better. So, whats the offical word on perhaps switching to that.
Another thing that I dont like is how "formatting rules" and other similar games are in the page index. Sure its a page, but the avg visitor thats looking for info probably does not want to see that page when they are looking for sc info. Either get it out of the index and have a seperate section for it or have a seperate section for all sc info.
I've heard that they are considering an eventual switch to the wikimedia engine, depending on what feedback they get. If you think they should switch engines, i would recommend posting that in their thread. That said, its a job for the PGT webmasters, who you can imagine stay swamped, so regardless it would take awhile even if they did decide to change it.
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On August 13 2006 14:48 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2006 14:06 PanoRaMa wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be an inconsistency with the "proper Romanization" of the names of pro gamers. I don't have Korean text enabled here atm, but the proper romanization for the -| sound ("uh" ) is "eo". Oov's name is properly romanized Choi Yeon-Seong in that case, however you have it written as Choi Yeon-Sung as the proper romanization. In Romanization, the vowel "u" indicates the "oo" sound ( T looking character in Korean alphabet).
Just something to consider if you're looking to uphold the same quality and accurate standards that wiki upholds (I know you're not directly affiliated with them). Thanks for the site though, will come in handy.
edit: NaDa's is correct, Reach's is incorrect as it should be Park Jeong-Seok. I know it looks ugly and I prefer writing Jung-Suk myself when referring to him, but I suppose in the end it's all up to what you want, the socially accepted romanization of their names or the proper ones. .... what? My name has an -| [ I don't have korean on this computer either ] in it and it is definitely not pronounced with an ' eo ' sound. Kang Chul Min. It is not Kang Cheol Min.
Pronounciation is different from spelling. AFAIK there are several types of romanization systems in use today but the prevalent one spells -| as "eo", T as "u", and -- as "eu".
I don't like how "Jeong Seok" looks either, but that's the accepted way of spelling it if I'm not mistaken.
edit: Revised Romanization method, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Romanization
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
I'm really looking forward to how much time i will waste reading this wiki page once school starts again =)
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can someone please tell me the names/races/countries of all previous members of Team Liquid for the SGW?
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lol wow my country doesn't know english.
We can't romanize our language for SHIT... I'm really quite ashamed we have such a non existant grasp on english pronounciation...
아이고 인간들아~
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Nice stuff Should be a good lasting memory and a fantastic referance!
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Sweden33719 Posts
On August 13 2006 14:06 PanoRaMa wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be an inconsistency with the "proper Romanization" of the names of pro gamers. I don't have Korean text enabled here atm, but the proper romanization for the -| sound ("uh" ) is "eo". Oov's name is properly romanized Choi Yeon-Seong in that case, however you have it written as Choi Yeon-Sung as the proper romanization. In Romanization, the vowel "u" indicates the "oo" sound ( T looking character in Korean alphabet).
Just something to consider if you're looking to uphold the same quality and accurate standards that wiki upholds (I know you're not directly affiliated with them). Thanks for the site though, will come in handy.
edit: NaDa's is correct, Reach's is incorrect as it should be Park Jeong-Seok. I know it looks ugly and I prefer writing Jung-Suk myself when referring to him, but I suppose in the end it's all up to what you want, the socially accepted romanization of their names or the proper ones.
Yeah, we should AT LEAST decide on which one to use, so it's used across the board
I just recently started adding stuff there, going to try to add the records/birth dates of all the pros to start with (I recently discovered that you can find all their stats at e-sports.co.kr 8] even though I'm unsure when they update).
Hopefully it can become as awesome as http://senseis.xmp.net/ (this wiki is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazingly comprehensive, it's for Go and I love that site, there's just so much info - from go-sayings to famous go games to go players to strategy and history).
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Sweden33719 Posts
Ok, I think the title of this might need to be changed to Starcraft Wiki or something, I think it's getting way too little attention.
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For starters, we can go and make sure all our community sites display the button.
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Osaka27172 Posts
That button is pretty ugly tbh.
However, I will continue to promote the Wiki.
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Osaka27172 Posts
I also changed the title so it is easier to find with the search.
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On August 24 2006 21:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
That button is pretty ugly tbh.
However, I will continue to promote the Wiki.
Well, we could always make a new one. ^^
I could just get the guys in the graphics forum to make one with a contest if that's what's needed. What do you think? I don't know if a prettier button should be a priority right now or not.
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Osaka27172 Posts
I dont know if it is a priority or not either. I just know that when I saw it, I thought it would not look good on this site so I didnt suggest putting it on here. However, I really like the idea of having a wiki button which would bind the community to the wiki.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i have no idea how that thing works, i really want to post stuff but whenever i double click to edit it gives me an entirely empty 'edit box' thing, last time i thought i somehow erased the whole damn wiki - _-a
and how come people have this ".....owneR: Endurance" or whatever shit there?? i made a post for YellOw and GooDLucK and i dont get how to add all that crap in. godamn. lol
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Sweden33719 Posts
Well, first of all, register.
And if you get something that says like, {{include MaJaeYoon}}, then you are at a mirror entry of MaJaeYoon and should go to MaJaeYoon instead of IPXZerg to do the edits (I discovered this just today :D!).
Second, guys - don't use my 'progamer accomplishments' article when you list achievments, you can use it as a base but it doesn't look professional, as it's a running text. Use the articles section and check 'OGN Starleagues history' and 'MBC Starleagues history' instead plz, and include the year of the tournament Looks way better.
I'll be adding in some more stuff from ygclan's gamerdb + stats from e-sports.co.kr continuously o_O~
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On August 25 2006 06:21 GroT wrote:StarCraftlmao
hahaha
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