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Hydra/Lurker vs Muta/Ling

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brandon
Profile Joined March 2003
Turkmenistan103 Posts
May 17 2003 16:41 GMT
#1
Hey...I was playing LT and had an extremely newbie partner in a 2on2, and so did my opponent. So he killed my newb partner with lurkers, and I killed his newb partner with mutas with few losses. So it comes down to his Hydra/Lurker versus my Muta/Ling, I'm 6 oclock, he's 9. We have about equal food, and I outresourced him and spent all my cash. So my question is, if this were a 1on1, how would a muta/ling person beat a hydra/lurker. He basically just pushed his 8 lurkers up right with his hydras so my zerglings did jack and I couldn't individually kill the lurkers since his hydras were right there. I was at a slight disadvantage seeing that I had to kill his partner's crap and lost 5 mutas. I desperately countered his expansion and main but he had 3 spores at each. So basically, how do you beat hydra/lurker with muta/ling? Maybe if it was 1on1 I would have seen a weakness with hydra/lurk and exploited it...not sure, I was kind of pissed that his inferior(I think) strategy beat mine.
Winter
Profile Joined March 2003
United States287 Posts
May 17 2003 16:51 GMT
#2
Build enough Sunkens and he won't be able to touch you. You will have been building your Muta force much longer than he has, and he won't be able to catch up if he tries. Do hit-and-runs on his bases so he's forced to rely on static defense.

Don't bother with Lings if he has Lurks, just spend the excess minerals on mass-expo and sunkens.

Hydra and Lurker are extremely un-versatile. I don't see how anyone could lose to them ZvZ.
ZyMotiC
Profile Joined May 2003
103 Posts
May 17 2003 16:53 GMT
#3
go hive with guards and make sure u have better upgrades than him
Live, Try, Fail, Die
brandon
Profile Joined March 2003
Turkmenistan103 Posts
May 17 2003 17:01 GMT
#4
Yeah, well I had no time to prepare, so I didn't want to be screamed at "you n00b you should have raped him easily" by the elite forum goers...so I explained the situation that I had to kill another guy first. Thx for the info winter.
ErOs_Probe
Profile Joined December 2002
Netherlands680 Posts
May 19 2003 03:21 GMT
#5
play satanik zvz. he has a pretty good hyd/ling combo.
k3 fan.
proefkonijntje
Profile Joined March 2003
Netherlands92 Posts
May 19 2003 04:04 GMT
#6
in zvz its very tough to get an expo, if he goes hydra he solved that for you: expand! pump mutas and lings(with burrow) hover near his base (harass a bit) when he moves out. damage his main or expo then return to defend your base and a combo of sunken/burrow ling/muta can stop the mass hydra.

im guessing that expanding on opposite directions of the map(like is commonly done vs terran) would also be very nice vs hydra zerg.

if you can get to guards thats very nice. but it seems a long haul to me. it takes so much time.
escaped from the science facility
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 19 2003 04:18 GMT
#7
9 pool
10/9 hat pool
muta/ling (pool first)
hat first muta/ling
hat first fast +1 lings
expansion muta/ling
expansion spore hydra

9 pool beats all hat first strats except 10/9 hat pool
muta/ling (pool first) beats hat first muta ling and 9 pool expansion
hat first muta/ling beats 10/9 hat pool
and so forth

being a mirror match, control can make up for alot
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
May 19 2003 05:53 GMT
#8
aka you suck
JAM THE FUCKER!
Zeai
Profile Joined March 2003
United States88 Posts
May 19 2003 16:41 GMT
#9
micro=gg

it's called don't run lings into lurkers ^^

Its not smart
ProXy[cF] on East
Talith
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1102 Posts
May 19 2003 17:26 GMT
#10
go defilers ^_____^ swarm should take care of hydra/lurk.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 19 2003 17:51 GMT
#11
Unfortunately you cannot do anything vs hydra/lurk in terms of head on open battle. Micro will not help to do anything significant. People do not do hydra/lurk in 1v1 too often because you will most likely lose before you have lurkers. However this strategy is heavily underdevelopped.

What I did once was wait around until he advances towards your base then throw everything you have at him. Try to basically eliminate him before he eliminates you. Meaning you should throw a few drones around the map before he moves towards you.

There isn't too much you can do otherwise against hydralurk except take advantage of their slow mobility. Hit and run tactics may help. Throw 7-8 sunks may help aswell. Maybe you can research burrow, unburrow where the hydras are before the lurkers burrow and kill many hydras, then run in with your mutas.

Hydralurk is a killer strategy though, ive tried certain strategies like muta lurk to stall and get many expoes then go for mass lurkers with contain if possible.
We decide our own destiny
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 19 2003 17:54 GMT
#12
However hydra/lurk > muta/ling all the time in head on collisions.
We decide our own destiny
N.sL)_CirCle
Profile Joined December 2002
New Zealand478 Posts
May 19 2003 18:02 GMT
#13
Just go ultras - 34 should be enough to kill his hydra/lurk
I'm home with the downies
dudex
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)31 Posts
May 19 2003 18:33 GMT
#14
It's not underdeveloped. some gosus don't know how to play hydra/lurk bt they always know how to play against it. and it has been tried and "improved" time and again since tsu was considered gosu... hehe
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