2012 was a trying year for Brood War. MBCGame became a music channel, the OSL crowned JangBi as the last Brood War Champion. After a middle-of-the-road league attempt, Proleague too closed its doors to original StarCraft competition. Undeterred, one man set out to keep the spirit alive in Korea and the SSL was the source of a new beginning, creating a haven among the ashes for players such as Killer and Pusan.
It is time for the same to happen outside Asia. TeamLiquid, with help from Razer and Twitch.tv, will seek to unify and solidify competition among foreigners, capturing and cultivating a love for the game that brought Liquid`Nazgul to Korea so many years ago. We will be hosting a series of three $500 tournaments, ultimately culminating in a final event with $2000 up for grabs.
2013 will be different. The new year brings new beginnings.
Today we are proud to present a new Starcraft: Brood War league: The TeamLiquid Legacy Starleague.
Prize Pool
The first round event will have a prize pool of $500.
Remember that this will be followed by two tournaments of the same size and format, with a $2000 grand finals event.
Format
Like the TSL before, the TeamLiquid Legacy Starleague is a community effort. Anyone outside Korea or China is welcome to play, and the qualification will be done through six open qualifiers. In addition there will be four invites, to be announced later.
An homage to the past, the main tournament will be run with the same format as the MSL of old. The six qualifier winners will be first seeded into Ro24 groups, with the qualifier runner-ups seeded second into Ro24 groups. The remaining 12 slots will be filled from a point ladder for finishing Ro32 or better in the qualifying tournaments. The four invites will be directly seeded into the Ro16.
Each Ro24 and Ro16 group will be played with best-of-1 Dual Tournament (ODT) format, seeding players into an eight man best-of-5 single-elimination bracket.
Schedule
We will have two weeks of qualifier events for the main portion of the tournament, followed by a short break before the ro24 begins. The first qualifier begins January 12, so get ready.
Qualifier Dates
Jan 12. (Sat) - First qualifier Jan 13. (Sun) - Second qualifier Jan 19. (Sat) - Third qualifier Jan 20. (Sun) - Fourth qualifier Jan 26. (Sat) - Fifth qualifier Jan 27. (Sun) - Sixth qualifier
Tournament Broadcasts
Qualifier broadcasts TBD.
Feb 02. (Sat) - Ro24 (Groups A and B) Feb 09. (Sat) - Ro24 (Groups C and D) Feb 16. (Sat) - Ro24 (Groups E and F) Feb 23. (Sat) - Ro16 (Groups A and B) Mar 02. (Sat) - Ro16 (Groups C and D) Mar 09. (Sat) - Ro8 Part I Mar 10. (Sun) - Ro8 Part II Mar 16. (Sat) - Ro4 Mar 23. (Sat) - Finals and 3rd place match
The Teamliquid Legacy Starleague is brought to you by Razer and Twitch
You can qualify for one of the 24 spots by doing the following: 1. Placing first or second in a qualifier tournament. 2. Placing in the Top 12 of non-winners (ranking points).
Ties are broken with a playoff.
Who can qualify for the 24 spots?
A player is eligible to play in the TLS if:
He grew up in a location without a professional StarCraft scene; OR
He currently resides in a location without a professional StarCraft scene and is not affiliated with a professional StarCraft team; AND
He does not have connection lag that would significantly impact quality of play
Sat Jan 12 - TLS Qualifier #1 Sun Jan 13 - TLS Qualifier #2 Sat Jan 19 - TLS Qualifier #3 Sun Jan 20 - TLS Qualifier #4 Sat Jan 26 - TLS Qualifier #5 Sun Jan 27 - TLS Qualifier #6
If I make finals in a qualifier can I play in the others?
No, you cannot. You cannot secretly play under another name -- this will result in disqualification from the TLS and future TL events.
What about banned or previously disqualified users?
Banned users (for any reason) cannot enter these tournaments. Do not try to circumvent by creating smurf accounts. We will find you, and you will be disqualified from the TLS and future TL events.
Can I enter all six qualifiers?
Yes. Anyone who can enter one qualifier can enter all six. You do not have to play all six, but your chances increase as you play more.
What is the Map Pool for the TLS Qualifier tournaments?
Fighting Spirit, New Sniper Ridge, Neo Jade, Neo Ground Zero, Neo Electric Circuit, New Bloody Ridge, and Neo Aztec.
What about hackers / cheaters / abusers?
Any sort of cheating may result in disqualification from the TLS and from future TL events. We take cheating very seriously, and we will hand out harsh punishments.
Why don't you allow everyone including Chinese/Koreans to participate?
The unfortunate truth is that we aren't prepared for the logistics of such a situation. We haven't run a tournament using this system in Brood War before and frankly we're rusty at administering these sorts of events. Having a large group of players who may have difficulty communicating with players or admins is not a scenario where we can guarantee success at this point. Plus, they have SOSPA and the SSL.
ODT? How does that work?
OGN Dual Tournament, the format where the group starts with players paired off into two sets of games. There is another set of games between the winners and the losers of the first games, with a final tie breaker match between who wins those. Text is a pretty poor way of describing this so check out this chart for clarification. The rest of the event itself will be styled very similar to the MSL.
Wow, unexpected but unbelievably awesome, SC2 is getting stale for me I'll be watching this for sure, was so happy when Sea was streaming bw a week back or so.
yo, how do you guys remember what all the maps look like ingame. I just send overlords where ever i see black spots and expand where I see minerals lol
On January 01 2013 05:46 LazyFailKid wrote: yo, how do you guys remember what all the maps look like ingame. I just send overlords where ever i see black spots and expand where I see minerals lol
WHAT WHAT WAHT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JAIEJRAPIJERAIPWO BROODWAR REVIVAL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED I JUST ROLLED MY FACE ON MY KEYBOARD OMG!!! HYPE HYPE
On January 01 2013 05:46 LazyFailKid wrote: yo, how do you guys remember what all the maps look like ingame. I just send overlords where ever i see black spots and expand where I see minerals lol
On January 01 2013 05:46 LazyFailKid wrote: yo, how do you guys remember what all the maps look like ingame. I just send overlords where ever i see black spots and expand where I see minerals lol
On January 01 2013 05:48 GGzerG wrote: WHAT WHAT WAHT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JAIEJRAPIJERAIPWO BROODWAR REVIVAL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED I JUST ROLLED MY FACE ON MY KEYBOARD OMG!!! HYPE HYPE
My question is how are the qualifiers working? How many people play in them, where do we register, what is the format/maps? (Since the first one will be just over a week away I need to prepare diligently now since I have been QQing and procrastinating my BW gaming)
Damn, TL has been keeping themselves busy. This looks freakin' awesome! Even though I wasn't too great at BW, I loved watching Proleague games in its final days. Looking forward to this (got me even more hyped than last TSL >.<)
Awesome! I started getting into BW right around when it started ending (this year) but I'm glad people like Sonic and TeamLiquid are keeping BW alive! Whoo, TL fighting!
It is time for the same to happen outside Asia. TeamLiquid, with help from Razer and Twitch.tv, will seek to unify and solidify competition among foreigners, capturing and cultivating a love for the game that brought Liquid`Nazgul to Korea so many years ago.
2013 will be different. The new year brings new beginnings
To me this might be the best part of the entire thing, as to me it certainly implies heavily that TL is going to be taking a more active role in BW in the future, which can only be a good thing with their pull and influence.
Fuck yes this just made my entire year <3 when will qualifier times be announced? Are they open to anyone? Is there a player limit? Someone tell me how to join please :D
Please please please god make it happen that both Idra and Octzerg play qualifiers and Octzerg cheeses Idra out EVERY. SINGLE. TIME! Also, return of the German savior, as gg.net put it so eloquently back in the day?
This rollercoaster is amazing. One moment SOSPA closes and it seems BW is well and truly dead, and then within a few days, SOSPA starts up all events again AND we get this!
I wish they could do a D level version of this but oh we'll Also where can I download the map pack? I'm not sure if I have the correct versions of the maps...
On January 01 2013 06:23 algue wrote: Fuck Yeah ! Make IDra, Nony, Incontrol and Ret play this !
They would get their asses handed to them by Sziky. :D
Depends how quickly they could get back in shape. Given some months of practice I'm sure they could get back at/near their old level, which would certainly be competitive with Sziky.
On January 01 2013 06:23 algue wrote: Fuck Yeah ! Make IDra, Nony, Incontrol and Ret play this !
They would get their asses handed to them by Sziky. :D
Depends how quickly they could get back in shape. Given some months of practice I'm sure they could get back at/near their old level, which would certainly be competitive with Sziky.
Considering they're SC2 pros, I doubt they're gonna start practising BW fulltime for this.
On January 01 2013 06:23 algue wrote: Fuck Yeah ! Make IDra, Nony, Incontrol and Ret play this !
They would get their asses handed to them by Sziky. :D
Depends how quickly they could get back in shape. Given some months of practice I'm sure they could get back at/near their old level, which would certainly be competitive with Sziky.
Considering they're SC2 pros, I doubt they're gonna start practising BW fulltime for this.
That part, is true.
I'm actually curious how many, if anyone at all, from the BW -> SC2 group will play. ISL tours, which have had larger prizepools haven't really gotten much participation from ex BW pros. However, this is a TL run tour which really does add the the legitimacy and prestige of the event.
On January 01 2013 06:23 algue wrote: Fuck Yeah ! Make IDra, Nony, Incontrol and Ret play this !
They would get their asses handed to them by Sziky. :D
Depends how quickly they could get back in shape. Given some months of practice I'm sure they could get back at/near their old level, which would certainly be competitive with Sziky.
Considering they're SC2 pros, I doubt they're gonna start practising BW fulltime for this.
That part, is true.
I'm actually curious how many, if anyone at all, from the BW -> SC2 group will play. ISL tours, which have had larger prizepools haven't really gotten much participation from ex BW pros. However, this is a TL run tour which really does add the the legitimacy and prestige of the event.
Yeh. Even though I suspect, as I said, that they would get crushed by someone like Sziky, I do hope this tournament manages to attract some interesting old-school names.
On January 01 2013 06:37 MHT wrote: So who should we look out for in this? I got no clue how the foreign BW scene looks like atm.
Michael , if he gets a little more active, is a major threat. Very unpredictable with a ton of refined cheeses, but also backed by VERY good mechanics.
Eonzerg has been very strong of late to posting a bunch of good results.
Sziky of course is the favorite. In the past several years he has been a clear notch above any other foreigner.
On January 01 2013 05:52 dRaW wrote: My question is how are the qualifiers working? How many people play in them, where do we register, what is the format/maps? (Since the first one will be just over a week away I need to prepare diligently now since I have been QQing and procrastinating my BW gaming)
On January 01 2013 06:37 MHT wrote: So who should we look out for in this? I got no clue how the foreign BW scene looks like atm.
Michael , if he gets a little more active, is a major threat. Very unpredictable with a ton of refined cheeses, but also backed by VERY good mechanics.
Eonzerg has been very strong of late to posting a bunch of good results.
Sziky of course is the favorite. In the past several years he has been a clear notch above any other foreigner.
On January 01 2013 06:50 Jonas wrote: I am way more excited for this than I have been for any SC2 tournament (with the possible exception of TSL3). So awesome! :D
On January 01 2013 06:37 MHT wrote: So who should we look out for in this? I got no clue how the foreign BW scene looks like atm.
Michael , if he gets a little more active, is a major threat. Very unpredictable with a ton of refined cheeses, but also backed by VERY good mechanics.
Eonzerg has been very strong of late to posting a bunch of good results.
Sziky of course is the favorite. In the past several years he has been a clear notch above any other foreigner.
That feel...when the strong ones...ARE ALL ZERGS.
Where are the protoss heroes? Draw and Doty you better rise to the challenge!
On January 01 2013 06:37 MHT wrote: So who should we look out for in this? I got no clue how the foreign BW scene looks like atm.
Michael , if he gets a little more active, is a major threat. Very unpredictable with a ton of refined cheeses, but also backed by VERY good mechanics.
Eonzerg has been very strong of late to posting a bunch of good results.
Sziky of course is the favorite. In the past several years he has been a clear notch above any other foreigner.
Michael is indeed a strong candidate to win this. I'm very sad that Pro7ect isn't active anymore though, because he and Michael were developing such an awesome rivalry. That Bo5 final they played in one tourney reminded me so much of a foreign version of Flash vs Jaedong, with an immense display of skill and mindgame usage. :D Please unretire, Mr. Pro7ect!
On January 01 2013 06:23 algue wrote: Fuck Yeah ! Make IDra, Nony, Incontrol and Ret play this !
They would get their asses handed to them by Sziky. :D
Depends how quickly they could get back in shape. Given some months of practice I'm sure they could get back at/near their old level, which would certainly be competitive with Sziky.
Considering they're SC2 pros, I doubt they're gonna start practising BW fulltime for this.
That part, is true.
I'm actually curious how many, if anyone at all, from the BW -> SC2 group will play. ISL tours, which have had larger prizepools haven't really gotten much participation from ex BW pros. However, this is a TL run tour which really does add the the legitimacy and prestige of the event.
Maybe someone like GosI[Terran] will play. I don't think there is much going on for him during this period since he doesn't really fly around the world playing tournaments left and right. Unless he is close getting on a KeSPA team as trainee or practice partner of cousre, I would understand if he would want to focus on sc2 then.
On January 01 2013 05:52 dRaW wrote: My question is how are the qualifiers working? How many people play in them, where do we register, what is the format/maps? (Since the first one will be just over a week away I need to prepare diligently now since I have been QQing and procrastinating my BW gaming)
also yeah which server?
questions will be answered in following announcements coming soon, just know for now you all should get your asses busy with practicing
You see, everyone calms down and what-a-you-know BroodWar isn't dead yet. ♥ Good luck to all those who will compete. I will be getting Hyped and tuning in. I hope some of the current SC2 pro's and Casters will give it a go. (although we all know you can't do BW on the side and be awesome).
For what it's worth, I shot HoRRoR, Gan, iNferNaL and Pidgin (the mTw lineup that raped ToT in iCCL minus kAra and jae ^_^) a message with the link on facebook. Would be nice if some of them would train up. Especially HoRRoR and Gan were really up and coming before SC2.
I'm expecting Nony and Ret to be invited, and if it isn't a crime to hope too much, Sea too (although it would be completely imbalanced to have him in the tournament :s)
On January 01 2013 08:54 GoonFFS wrote: yay, let's backtrack....can't express how terrible this is
What's wrong with continuing to play an older game if you enjoy it?... If you look through this thread you'll see lots of people are excited. No need to shit all over that.
I suppose we can't play older generation games if it's "successor" is out. God help us all.
Wow this is awesome I was just lamenting how much I missed watching a real exciting BW match - especially now that most of the VODs have been taken down, and the next second this pops up.
holy fuck, the production quality of TL is fucking ridiculous. that video got me so fucking hyped. the music was perfect. the animation was amazing. <3 TL so much
On January 01 2013 05:53 ONEofUS wrote: should be on the front page TL back in time! :D
It is if you have BW news enabled. Click the Gear at the top left of the site!
oh wow I somehow have not had that enabled in spite of only coming to TL for BW. Pointing this out just in case there's some chance there was a bug, but of course it's more likely I just screwed up my settings at some point - the only time I remember touching them was to not show SC2 streams / calendar.
one way or another, wish this was the kind of thing everyone got to see. What % of people turn on BW news?
any chance of qualifiers being streamed and casted? maybe not live in case of stream cheating but maybe from replays immediately after the players have played.
Well essentially we knew from rumors something big was coming on TL soon. But as it is announced, im out of myself with joy! We haven't had a Teamliquid Starleague production too long. I'm really astonished as well, that Tl managed to pick up a sponsor for a Broodwar event in Razer, thank you Razer! Judging from the available prizepool we may also see one or two foreign Stars of the pre sc2 era participate, in that case my world would be perfect. I look forward to known TL production, hyping and casting standards, all we have to take care of ourselves is the games (;
On January 01 2013 12:18 OopsOopsBaby wrote: any chance of qualifiers being streamed and casted? maybe not live in case of stream cheating but maybe from replays immediately after the players have played.
I'm gonna watch this . Hopefully Legionaire plays in this :D, him and IdrA, maybe InControL and Nony, hell if we get lucky maybe Nazgul and the rest of TL will participate haha.
On January 01 2013 12:18 OopsOopsBaby wrote: any chance of qualifiers being streamed and casted? maybe not live in case of stream cheating but maybe from replays immediately after the players have played.
On January 01 2013 12:33 Cele wrote: Well essentially we knew from rumors something big was coming on TL soon. But as it is announced, im out of myself with joy! We haven't had a Teamliquid Starleague production too long. I'm really astonished as well, that Tl managed to pick up a sponsor for a Broodwar event in Razer, thank you Razer! Judging from the available prizepool we may also see one or two foreign Stars of the pre sc2 era participate, in that case my world would be perfect. I look forward to known TL production, hyping and casting standards, all we have to take care of ourselves is the games (;
On January 01 2013 12:33 Cele wrote: Well essentially we knew from rumors something big was coming on TL soon. But as it is announced, im out of myself with joy! We haven't had a Teamliquid Starleague production too long. I'm really astonished as well, that Tl managed to pick up a sponsor for a Broodwar event in Razer, thank you Razer! Judging from the available prizepool we may also see one or two foreign Stars of the pre sc2 era participate, in that case my world would be perfect. I look forward to known TL production, hyping and casting standards, all we have to take care of ourselves is the games (;
€: we need Chill as a Caster!!
Razer and Twitch are sponsoring this
oh im sorry, i thought you just streamed on twitch. So, Thanks twitch!!!!11 <3
10% of the 100 players who qualified through the ladder for TSL1 and TSL2 are still active. I am happy TLLS is happening b/c I want more players to return. Everyone please spread the word.
Holy shit!! I can't wait to see this! I hope to see a legend like Nony or Idra come out for this. Kinda wish pro7ect was still playing too...Also I'm LOVING the use of Periphery in the video <3.
Well it's possible to host Global Tournament League where anyone in the globe can compete however Korea would definitely crush everyone that is in their way .
On January 01 2013 17:02 Marcus420 wrote: Can someone make a list of foreign BW players we shoud look out for, one whos could possibly win the whole thing?
Ive been watching sc2 and bw for a while now but i dont know alot about the foreign scenes current state
On January 01 2013 17:11 playa wrote: Sickness. I hope someone informs the Russians. I want to see A2 and Androide playing in something. 1 time. Is that too much to ask/hope for?
On January 01 2013 17:02 Marcus420 wrote: Can someone make a list of foreign BW players we shoud look out for, one whos could possibly win the whole thing?
Ive been watching sc2 and bw for a while now but i dont know alot about the foreign scenes current state
On January 01 2013 06:25 zezamer wrote: who's casting this ?
hopefully day9 and chill
I really love day9 and Chill and I hope they cast this, but not letting people like Sayle, Hacklebeast and Elegant cast too would be very untrue to the BW scene.
Sayle has been trooping with this scene and has been the premiere caster of BW for the past... I don't know two years... It would be a kick in the teeth not letting him and other current BW casters cast this!
This is a fantastic start to a new year, hoping to see players like ret and nony and mondragon appear in the qualifiers though it could be tough for them to qualify. <3 TeamLiquid, Razer & Twitch.
On January 01 2013 07:27 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I just hope not that many SC2 playing invites, but I guess some TL players gets invited.
What does this even mean? o_O
Just that any invite should mean they are not walkovers for current BW players. So let say they invite Ret and/or Nony and they both go out very convincly then I am not happy with invites. etc...
I'd be super happy with any Nony/Ret/Idra/Incontrol/etc invites, as long as they really want to participate, so they put some preparation and desire in it. But I kinda doubt if that's even possible, because of their SC2 obligations.
On January 01 2013 19:01 figq wrote: I'd be super happy with any Nony/Ret/Idra/Incontrol/etc invites, as long as they really want to participate, so they put some preparation and desire in it. But I kinda doubt if that's even possible, because of their SC2 obligations.
They shouldn't participate I don't want a half assed performance and they should focus on SC2.
I do know a certain somebody that could theoretically participate + Show Spoiler +
Artosis!!! I mean he doesn't have to play a lot of SC2 to remain analytical and even Day9, but I don't think he would do it, but I definetly see Artosis participating.
I'd love to see Sayle cast this but whoever does it, if it can work, a duo cast is generally much more entertaining assuming the casters actually cast the games, which shouldn't be an issue here!
Also, thanks to TL, Twitch & Razer. Thanks for making this and everything else happen <333
I clearly see Sayle sitting on his newly warped-in throne, eating grapes, casting this. And as I read I'm not the only one.
Notable players such as dOTY and Bibiane should be mentioned too, althou I also think Sziky will obliterate everyone. So thanks everybody involved, I'll be of course following this.
would be also great to see foreign legends reappearing for this tournament for example the likes of Mondragon,Legionnaire,Nazgul ,Idra,Nony and Ret give a shot for this just for the sake of bw .
Not only will the SSL keep going, we also get another tournament on the same scale? Siiiiick! I feel like there's been a lot of good news for the BW-scene lately. It'll be interesting to see which players intend to qualify for this, and even more interesting to see the great games they'll produce ^^
On January 01 2013 19:23 Stratos wrote: I'd love to see Sayle cast this but whoever does it, if it can work, a duo cast is generally much more entertaining assuming the casters actually cast the games, which shouldn't be an issue here!
Also, thanks to TL, Twitch & Razer. Thanks for making this and everything else happen <333
I would love to see Sayle AND a lot of other people cast this. Like every Teamliquid event it should have a wide variaty of casters and Sayle, Hackle, Elegant deserve to be one of them.
And of course Chill (You can't have a TL event without him and Day9 (If he has the time and wants to do it : /), and maybe a little bit of artosis, but Sayle hackle and Elegant should definatly cast this.
On January 01 2013 20:44 Darth Saros wrote: I clearly see Sayle sitting on his newly warped-in throne, eating grapes, casting this. And as I read I'm not the only one.
Notable players such as dOTY and Bibiane should be mentioned too, althou I also think Sziky will obliterate everyone. So thanks everybody involved, I'll be of course following this.
True true, BUT if Sneazel faces Sziky he might be able to beat him. I mean Sneazel is basically a PvZ specialist. I just hope he participates.
On January 01 2013 19:23 Stratos wrote: I'd love to see Sayle cast this but whoever does it, if it can work, a duo cast is generally much more entertaining assuming the casters actually cast the games, which shouldn't be an issue here!
Also, thanks to TL, Twitch & Razer. Thanks for making this and everything else happen <333
I would love to see Sayle AND a lot of other people cast this. Like every Teamliquid event it should have a wide variaty of casters and Sayle, Hackle, Elegant deserve to be one of them.
And of course Chill (You can't have a TL event without him and Day9 (If he has the time and wants to do it : /), and maybe a little bit of artosis, but Sayle hackle and Elegant should definatly cast this.
On January 01 2013 20:44 Darth Saros wrote: I clearly see Sayle sitting on his newly warped-in throne, eating grapes, casting this. And as I read I'm not the only one.
Notable players such as dOTY and Bibiane should be mentioned too, althou I also think Sziky will obliterate everyone. So thanks everybody involved, I'll be of course following this.
True true, BUT if Sneazel faces Sziky he might be able to beat him. I mean Sneazel is basically a PvZ specialist. I just hope he participates.
I thought Mazur was the PvZ specialist. But I know that Schnitzel( :-) ) is good too. Someone can of course upset Sziky in some Bo3-1 game skill, 1 game luck/cheese and he's out. But I doubt that would happen in Bo5.
On January 01 2013 20:44 Darth Saros wrote: I clearly see Sayle sitting on his newly warped-in throne, eating grapes, casting this. And as I read I'm not the only one.
Notable players such as dOTY and Bibiane should be mentioned too, althou I also think Sziky will obliterate everyone. So thanks everybody involved, I'll be of course following this.
True true, BUT if Sneazel faces Sziky he might be able to beat him. I mean Sneazel is basically a PvZ specialist. I just hope he participates.
brood war tourney! SWEEEEEEEEEET! Can't wait to waaatch looots of awesome and maybe epic match ups :D hope they'll be up for VOD's as i'm missing my bw fix when ogn and mbc has left it
On January 01 2013 20:56 Sawamura wrote: would be also great to see foreign legends reappearing for this tournament for example the likes of Mondragon,Legionnaire,Nazgul ,Idra,Nony and Ret give a shot for this just for the sake of bw .
On January 01 2013 20:56 Sawamura wrote: would be also great to see foreign legends reappearing for this tournament for example the likes of Mondragon,Legionnaire,Nazgul ,Idra,Nony and Ret give a shot for this just for the sake of bw .
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
I think you didn't really understand, there is still a bw section on this website
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
What if it isn't out of desperation, but for the love of the game?
A bunch of people on Team Liquid and on Team Liquid's staff enjoy BW and want to organize a BW tournament, so why not? There's no expiry date on these things and hosting one doesn't preclude the other. TL staff is quite large and you aren't necessarily losing HotS manpower over this as the level of involvement for each individual will vary vastly depending on interest.
(For instance, 2Pacalypse has been spear heading/ organizing this- he joined staff as a BW person. You aren't losing his HotS volunteer hours over this. You never had it in the first place.)
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
The game isn't what's dead. The game is still just as good as it's ever been. The age of the game has nothing to do with the quality of the game.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
I think it's a great idea. Games like BW or WC3 don't have to be the main game anymore, but it would be a true tragedy if they were never played again. I'd like to see "legend showmatches" even if it was just a once a year thing at something like BlizzCon. Grubby vs Moon, BoxeR vs YellOw, Flash vs Jaedong...stuff like this.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
I don't really see anything "desperate" about this, its just people who are passionate about a game running a fun tournament for it. "Dead" is a matter of perspective, if the game has a community and players and is able to raise prizes, its not dead.
That said, I don't see how its possible to criticize this when it doesn't affect the average SC2 fan (like you) in any way. It simply makes people who love BW happy, and part of the TL community still loves BW. I could see an argument from SC2 fans if this somehow redirects or cuts into support for SC2 but obviously that isn't the case, a few thousand dollars and staff working on this doesn't change anything about what TL does for SC2. Are you seriously suggesting that we're doing this instead of a HotS tournament or something?
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Chess is so over the hill. Its all about English draughts now. Stop hurting board games by playing chess. Jerks.
On January 02 2013 03:58 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Rofl you.
Soo excited. There's going to be three right? Can't participate in the first one...maybe I can try doing something in #2!
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
The term 'dead' shouldn't be used when talking about BW, as it died an unnatural death. In fact, the fanbase in Korea is still stronger than the SC2 fanbase. BW was pushed away by the fact that SC2 is a newer, optically more polished game. But what was most important was the promotion that SC2 had with Blizzard as a backbone with super-high resources.
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On the tournament: this is so awesome. I always knew that BW would have an appearance sooner than anyone would have thought. We can already see that in the rising of the SSL and the fact that old commentators (public figures in korea, after all) all hop on the train of promoting a self-made BW productio filling university auditoriums.
Thanks TeamLiquid for not letting the passion for BW die. It's the game that made you great, and you made the game great.
I hope to see some old faces in this tournament, looking to grab some of the price money while picking up their old game. Any information on Mondragon, Testie, Draco, Kolll? Which old foreigner could we see in this tournament?
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
The term 'dead' shouldn't be used when talking about BW, as it died an unnatural death. In fact, the fanbase in Korea is still stronger than the SC2 fanbase. BW was pushed away by the fact that SC2 is a newer, optically more polished game. But what was most important was the promotion that SC2 had with Blizzard as a backbone with super-high resources.
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On the tournament: this is so awesome. I always knew that BW would have an appearance sooner than anyone would have thought. We can already see that in the rising of the SSL and the fact that old commentators (public figures in korea, after all) all hop on the train of promoting a self-made BW productio filling university auditoriums.
Thanks TeamLiquid for not letting the passion for BW die. It's the game that made you great, and you made the game great.
I hope to see some old faces in this tournament, looking to grab some of the price money while picking up their old game. Any information on Mondragon, Testie, Draco, Kolll? Which old foreigner could we see in this tournament?
My thoughts exactly, I was thinking last night " I wonder if Draco will return... " :D
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Jesus Christ man, holy shit. Send your curriculum to Nazgul, they clearly need you leading their business.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Jesus Christ man, holy shit. Send your curriculum to Nazgul, they clearly need you leading their business.
Calm down, It's just the perspective of a common spectator, one which a certain portion of people might agree with.
dont you realize that tl is already going away from supporting sc2? look they even added dota2 and now they run bw tournament.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Jesus Christ man, holy shit. Send your curriculum to Nazgul, they clearly need you leading their business.
Calm down, It's just the perspective of a common spectator, one which a certain portion of people might agree with.
Did you read Hot_Bid's post ? I think it should clear up what you don't seem to understand...
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Or.....it could just be that it's a new year and maybe there's a possibility that we can foster a set of small BW tournaments on top of all the HotS events that go on all the time already?
God, this is unbelievable. Thank you TL! I might get back into BW again . Cheers for the best RTS/Competitive game ever made, which no other game or sequel can top.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Why would you ban factual criticism?
BROODWAR IS THE FUTURE
I AM STRONG
I AM ZERG
I AM THE FUTURE
My thoughts on this topic: Wow. Thank you Teamliquid!!!!!!!!
As for Razer: I already liked your mice, but now I like you even more :D Twitch: I'll definitely be using Twitch rather than Own3d. I know I'm letting corporations manipulate me, but if it means more Brood War, I'll gladly make that trade. :D
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Stop your fucking whining. Some people who like Brood War are making a Brood War tournament. That is all. It's not going to effect StarCraft 2, or you, at all.
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Jesus Christ man, holy shit. Send your curriculum to Nazgul, they clearly need you leading their business.
Calm down, It's just the perspective of a common spectator, one which a certain portion of people might agree with.
A certain portion. In this announcement news thread with 420 replies and counting, only 3 people expressed any negativity towards the event. People who love SC2 and who use Teamliquid to follow its scene will do so regardless of whether or not Teamliquid also organizes a BW event at the same time. A TL thread dedicated to a BW event shouldn't bother spectators following a different game at all. As a common spectator myself I try to appreciate rather than decry attention to games I don't regularly follow like AoK or SupCom, or even events like AGDQ. We're all here to have and share fun, right?
On January 02 2013 05:45 monkybone wrote: BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
Organising a BW tournament is "hurting TL's image" and "puts TL's priorities into question"? Are you trolling or are you really such a pompous busybody and spoilsport?
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Only one desperate i can see is you trying to HINDER a classic (arguably the best) game from growing on the basis of a general interest that is rising instead of falling. This is something that always stood out for me when i think about broodwar. The passion of the players and the community (and the amazing BW staff of teamliquid) always surpassed everything any other community could offer. This, combined with BW's successful design and fanbase in korea, is what always brings me and many others back to BW time and time again. Something that SC2 could never achieve, although SC2 was the reason why i picked up BW again, after all. What's desperate about playing and watching a game we love?
BW love combined with a bitterness towards sc2 and what it supposedly has failed to achieve when compared to its predecessor does nothing but to alienate people new to the community and sc2, and it's hurting TL's image. Launcing a BW tournament now on the verge of a new expansion also puts TL's priorities into question.
1) Trolling in the BW section does hurt TL's image. We should have mature users. It puts TL's priorities into question if they support one BW starleague in two years after they did everything for sc2 including: the biggest and best foreign coverages, tsl3+4, a team participating in OSL and GSL? No it doesnt. And even if TL changed its priorities and focussed more on, say dota2, they probably know best which should be their peer group. So please troll somewhere else
TL has nothing to lose by making BW tournament in fact they have only things to gain, latest TSL didnt even really differentiate that much among sea of Major Tournaments in SC2
Besides, franchises that take care of minorities or "legacy" products look better.
And yes i forgot that post looks even more ridiculous when you remember that TL owns a Dota2 team which is further away from SC2 than BW (woah suprise there).
All the whiners are just scared of Broodwar, that's all. They're scared that other people might see a real game and realize how bad of a sequel SC2 is. SC2 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but it's a terrible sequel to BW. The people who oppose this tournament are scared of seeing a game that is better than theirs, and they are scared of having other people look at the game and say "why am I even playing SC2?"
Furthermore, they're scared because the average BW player is mechanically head and shoulders above the average SC2 player. If most BW players were to switch to SC2, most would be masters level. That sort of gaming superiority scares the shit out of the SC2 player, who thinks he's hot shit because he has 150 APM and most of his peers have 80.
Its like teamliquid just won back my heart after all the (understandable) let downs (placing broodwar under dota2 on the web page, no BW news on the front page etc). Also massive cred to Razer and Twitch (Twitch has always been cool though) for supporting this.
Then obviously love to 2pac + the crew for what they are doing. But the love has already reached max level a long time ago for those people
On January 02 2013 06:53 [Aot]_Aether wrote: All the whiners are just scared of Broodwar, that's all. They're scared that other people might see a real game and realize how bad of a sequel SC2 is. SC2 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but it's a terrible sequel to BW. The people who oppose this tournament are scared of seeing a game that is better than theirs, and they are scared of having other people look at the game and say "why am I even playing SC2?"
Furthermore, they're scared because the average BW player is mechanically head and shoulders above the average SC2 player. If most BW players were to switch to SC2, most would be masters level. That sort of gaming superiority scares the shit out of the SC2 player, who thinks he's hot shit because he has 150 APM and most of his peers have 80.
ummmm... no...
You should just maybe stop being such an elitist and also probably stop generalizing every sc2 player as the same as that one guy that posted and said bw sucks, mmk?
On January 02 2013 03:32 monkybone wrote: Why are you desperately trying revive a dead game like this? Why not try to promote HotS and make a HotS tournament or something? It seems like you are still in love with BW, and would rather invest into the past than the future.
Why would you ban factual criticism?
Factual?
BW is not dead. That is at least one "fact" you have wrong.
Oh who cares? Ignore the troll. Are you guys seeing this? Infernal and Drone getting ready to play. Streamers like XSebt and Grobyc coming back. ^^ This is AWESOME!!!
I am at a loss how someone could have any problem with TL organizing this. Perhaps they have disabled the BW sections on TL in their personal UI and thus tricked themselves into believing that there's no BW going on here. But there was always a lot of BW going on at TL and there will always be.
I would absolutely love to play, but my internet keeps randomly disconnecting every few minutes and I don't think it'll be fixed anytime soon. Good luck to all that participate! Also, what if Sea participates? I would be so excited if he did!
On January 02 2013 08:23 plasmidghost wrote: I would absolutely love to play, but my internet keeps randomly disconnecting every few minutes and I don't think it'll be fixed anytime soon. Good luck to all that participate! Also, what if Sea participates? I would be so excited if he did!
He's already playing in the SRT and will probably be playing in the SSL when next season starts.
On January 02 2013 08:23 plasmidghost wrote: I would absolutely love to play, but my internet keeps randomly disconnecting every few minutes and I don't think it'll be fixed anytime soon. Good luck to all that participate! Also, what if Sea participates? I would be so excited if he did!
He's already playing in the SRT and will probably be playing in the SSL when next season starts.
On January 01 2013 23:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: this is AMAZING!!!
I can only hope this means you're taking part?
We need Liquid players in here...
not sure im good enough to qualify, but I will try :D
thats pretty much an understatement of you for all the games i saw! i wish you best of luck for the tournament except when you meet me in the qualifier :D D:D
On January 02 2013 08:03 figq wrote: I am at a loss how someone could have any problem with TL organizing this. Perhaps they have disabled the BW sections on TL in their personal UI and thus tricked themselves into believing that there's no BW going on here. But there was always a lot of BW going on at TL and there will always be.
My, this event makes me so happy! :D
I have no problem with them hosting and I truly hope they reconsider BW news not set to default like any of the other games. Unless those saw the note several months back they would probably be clueless. I know we have a few wanderers who check in once every blue moon. Not like those unhappy with it couldn't opt out, but then again most people have no clue about that wheel next to TeamLiquid on the top bar.
On January 01 2013 23:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: this is AMAZING!!!
I can only hope this means you're taking part?
We need Liquid players in here...
not sure im good enough to qualify, but I will try :D
Considering a lot of other guys are out of shape per say and your BW IQ is relatively high compared to most of the semi-pros in the foreigner scene I think you'll do just fine Eri.
On January 01 2013 06:22 Trozz wrote: HELLYEAHITCAMEBACK I'll lurk my way to the top. Could Testie play this?
On January 02 2013 13:20 puppykiller wrote: I imagine that sea will be an invite and that he will stomp this tourney.
Who can qualify for the 24 spots?
Players who do not reside in Korea or China can play in TLS Qualifiers. Players residing in Taiwan and SEA countries can compete.
Why don't you allow everyone including Chinese/Koreans to participate?
The unfortunate truth is that we aren't prepared for the logistics of such a situation. We haven't run a tournament using this system in Brood War before and frankly we're rusty at administering these sorts of events. Having a large group of players who may have difficulty communicating with players or admins is not a scenario where we can guarantee success at this point. Plus, they have SOSPA and the SSL.
The answer is still no I'm afraid. The Koreans no longer have a real pro circuit, but Sonic is doing a terrific job and he'll make something out of it. I don't mind the semi-pro/amateur route because this is what we were all about before. Passion for the game.
Well if the can't get the koreans to in this how about after the tourney organising some sort of winner vs ex pro matches? you know to see what the best on tl can do ^^.
Im glad that there are a lots of people still love this game: starcraft brood war. And I love that there are still more people who are hosting this huge tournament for us fans. I thank you teamliquid and Happy New Year.
OMG......I just noticed that all the qualifiers are on the weekends, I AM PRAYING to god that the times aren't after 5 pm EST.... I work every weekend at 5 PM EST....... T_T. Plz plz t.t
Since this is a TL-organized Liquid event... perhaps it should be on the front page for everyone, regardless of their BW settings. It's just awesome, and many people would be interested in it, because they love TL, even if they've not followed BW recently. Awww, can't wait! (:
the first TSL got me into this glorious scene, and i have huge nostalgia for TL BW days. jianfei vs nony finals plzplzplzplzplzplz
my one request from TL is to do this super old school! poorly drawn portraits, proleague style punk rock intro, omgomgomg.
my one sad point is that there are no invites... id LOVE to see some of the old TSL greats battle it out in BW once again.. nony, idra, incontrol, artosis, draco, jianfei omgomg
So awesome to see this on the front page. I started with SC2 never really followed BW, but I've tried watching BW VODs and found them AMAZING. Dare I say much much more exciting than SC2 VODs I've seen thus far. BW deserves every bit of this.
Why u guys think that SC2 professional players are going to play BW event? Players like Draco etc probably don't have time for this.. And they will not come back to win some dollars.
On January 02 2013 23:24 trutaCz wrote: Why u guys think that SC2 professional players are going to play BW event?
Because they don't know anything about the current foreign scene. For instance, not a single person who posted about a NonY + IdrA TLS revival know that you're the guy they should be cheering for now. In essence, they're hoping to be able to live in the past while maintaining a since of current reality.
On January 02 2013 23:24 trutaCz wrote: Why u guys think that SC2 professional players are going to play BW event? Players like Draco etc probably don't have time for this.. And they will not come back to win some dollars.
All I know is that competition is already fierce... I've ran into pike with my main account and kashu with one of my alternative accounts... needless to say I was DESTROYED in both games.
On January 02 2013 23:24 trutaCz wrote: Why u guys think that SC2 professional players are going to play BW event?
Because they don't know anything about the current foreign scene. For instance, not a single person who posted about a NonY + IdrA TLS revival know that you're the guy they should be cheering for now. In essence, they're hoping to be able to live in the past while maintaining a since of current reality.
What i dont get then is who is going to be invited. I can't imagine it beeing one of the good and active players of today and obviously its not koreans. So the only thing that makes sense to me is inviting the stars of old.
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
Invites are direct seeds into Ro16. They do not have to go through group stage or any of the open qualifiers.
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
Invites are direct seeds into Ro16. They do not have to go through group stage or any of the open qualifiers.
I'm really hoping that this means old BW favorites like NoNy and Mondragon :D
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
Invites are direct seeds into Ro16. They do not have to go through group stage or any of the open qualifiers.
Ro16 is also a group stage, so they have to go through one ODT style group stage. Single Elimination after that, no mercy!
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
Invites are direct seeds into Ro16. They do not have to go through group stage or any of the open qualifiers.
On January 03 2013 00:32 Zergneedsfood wrote: What do you guys mean when you say "invite" by the way? I thought the qualifiers were open to everyone. Unless you just mean...inform them about it.
Invites are direct seeds into Ro16. They do not have to go through group stage or any of the open qualifiers.
I'm really hoping that this means old BW favorites like NoNy and Mondragon :D
please do some noobfriendly commentary to help sc2players like me understand better!
(maybe some of the qualifiers, i could understand if bw fans didnt like everything explained in the playoffs, as tradeoff, whenever you do noobfriendly commentary, offer some korean commentary xD)
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
lol it's you
I'm not playing in this and haven't played BW since the last nation war I played in.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
Hahahaha
Good luck Game. It would be really cool to see you get far into this tournament!
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
Mondi is too busy with work. That's all I can tell you on that end. He definitely will NOT play BW again. Like ever. And I'm still close to him, so I know!
On January 03 2013 04:13 Game wrote: I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
In spite of all my efforts at coercion, bribery, and seduction I'm going to have to disappoint people by saying that my attempts to secure one or all of the invitations for myself seem to have failed
Now, not that i would want to win anything (probably would drop out in the first set anyways), but what do you people think an old C skill is worth in todays ICCUP? I have always kept my mechanics (the stronger part of my gameplay) on a good level throughout the past 3 years.
Has the general skill level on ICC dropped since 2009?
Thinking about it, i was always limited by playing poor strategies with no real thought about the general game while my apm and zerg mechanics were way above average. How does the current foreign BW scene look like? Can we compare their greatest players to the late foreign BW stars?
A quick note to players: the qualifier dates will be adjusted in response to the reactions we've got. There will be 3 weeks of qualifiers. More details on how to sign up, when games will be held is forthcoming.
Has the general skill level on ICC dropped since 2009?
I got B on ICCup as Protoss in 2009. When I got B as Zerg in 2012, I was much better than I was in 2009. So to get to the same rank, I had to be better. In my experience, it has gotten harder to rank up on ICCup.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
Mondi is too busy with work. That's all I can tell you on that end. He definitely will NOT play BW again. Like ever. And I'm still close to him, so I know!
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
I don't understand how you could play starcraft that much and still be completely unable to hit D+. That's at least 8 hours a day for well beyond a year. Mind-boggling.
am i missing something, bcuz i dont see any mention of invites anywhere, and the 2nd post with all the info seems a bit sparse. people are acting like theyve read something more informative than I have.. edit: nm i found it
I am excited for more bw, but I'm most of all excited that there can be a tournament that I know will be run efficiently and professionally. Riding the drama llama might be fun for a while, but there has been way too much of it recently in the foreign bw scene.
So pumped! Thank you to all the great people at TL who made this happen!
On January 04 2013 04:49 Darksoldierr wrote: So its friday jan 11th or sat 12th? Either the days on the dates are slipped or i live in a different time continum
It's January 12th. Read this post. A new post with all the details about first qualifier will be posted soon. Get hyped and start practicing!
Has the general skill level on ICC dropped since 2009?
I got B on ICCup as Protoss in 2009. When I got B as Zerg in 2012, I was much better than I was in 2009. So to get to the same rank, I had to be better. In my experience, it has gotten harder to rank up on ICCup.
I don't think people got better or it's necessarily harder to rank up via personal abilities. There are less people at the C to B range now, so you will play a few people from C and up who are better or equal to around B. However, with less competition in general the overall skill top I would think is lower than before. I also think the main reason for not receiving a rank that you are aiming for now-a-days is purely because you can't find enough opponents to play to get the points required. Also, everyone knows Protoss takes no skill to play, so it's very easy to get to B rank.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
Has the general skill level on ICC dropped since 2009?
I got B on ICCup as Protoss in 2009. When I got B as Zerg in 2012, I was much better than I was in 2009. So to get to the same rank, I had to be better. In my experience, it has gotten harder to rank up on ICCup.
I don't think people got better or it's necessarily harder to rank up via personal abilities. There are less people at the C to B range now, so you will play a few people from C and up who are better or equal to around B. However, with less competition in general the overall skill top I would think is lower than before. I also think the main reason for not receiving a rank that you are aiming for now-a-days is purely because you can't find enough opponents to play to get the points required. Also, everyone knows Protoss takes no skill to play, so it's very easy to get to B rank.
At least a forth of D+/C- that I play are players who have hit anything from C+ to A in the past.
On January 04 2013 10:34 sashkata wrote: Played 2 games today, realize how awful I am and how long it would take me to get decent again and my enthusiasm vaporized.
That's the nature of BW, but you still shouldn't give up that easily -.-
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
I don't understand how you could play starcraft that much and still be completely unable to hit D+. That's at least 8 hours a day for well beyond a year. Mind-boggling.
yea I remember playing him almost a year ago, and 2 month ago I started to play bw again, saw mishin and he was at the same level... it's just sad, he should stop playing
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
I don't understand how you could play starcraft that much and still be completely unable to hit D+. That's at least 8 hours a day for well beyond a year. Mind-boggling.
yea I remember playing him almost a year ago, and 2 month ago I started to play bw again, saw mishin and he was at the same level... it's just sad, he should stop playing
On January 05 2013 08:38 WeRRa wrote: No koreans? This will be boring as hell....
nobody is forcing you to watch foreigners. Personally I prefer watching foreigners over koreans any day, due to knowing many of these people either from the community or from playing against them, it's just the extra touch.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
ROFL! That guy is hilarious! XD That's an obscene amount of Starcrafting, and he's still so bad, yet he keeps on playing. What a hero, give the man some kind of award.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
ROFL! That guy is hilarious! XD That's an obscene amount of Starcrafting, and he's still so bad, yet he keeps on playing. What a hero, give the man some kind of award.
I was so shocked when someone said he should stop playing because of the fact that he doesn't seem to have improved.
If anything, I'm impressed by the amount of enjoyment he gets out of it. Guy sounds like a hero.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
ROFL! That guy is hilarious! XD That's an obscene amount of Starcrafting, and he's still so bad, yet he keeps on playing. What a hero, give the man some kind of award.
I was so shocked when someone said he should stop playing because of the fact that he doesn't seem to have improved.
If anything, I'm impressed by the amount of enjoyment he gets out of it. Guy sounds like a hero.
I'm sorry if I'm just to stupid to find it but I want to make sure that this isn't one of those tourneys I want to participate in but then miss the registration: what do I have to do to be in the qualifiers? do we have to register? what server will they be on?
On January 05 2013 23:30 Prof. Protoss wrote: I'm sorry if I'm just to stupid to find it but I want to make sure that this isn't one of those tourneys I want to participate in but then miss the registration: what do I have to do to be in the qualifiers? do we have to register? what server will they be on?
There will be a post about this shortly that will explain everything you need to know. Don't worry you haven't missed registrations.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
ROFL! That guy is hilarious! XD That's an obscene amount of Starcrafting, and he's still so bad, yet he keeps on playing. What a hero, give the man some kind of award.
I was so shocked when someone said he should stop playing because of the fact that he doesn't seem to have improved.
If anything, I'm impressed by the amount of enjoyment he gets out of it. Guy sounds like a hero.
He reminds me of a lot of other guys who couldn't get over the hump. Everyone has their own skill ceiling
On January 05 2013 08:38 WeRRa wrote: No koreans? This will be boring as hell....
I cannot believe you even just said that.
I am not even going to respond to that.
And this comes from a guy who runs arround "hey i'm the friend of all koreans and bring you in their clans". But hell keep them out of any foreign tournaments. Doty and Game were right your a shame for the community.
On January 05 2013 08:38 WeRRa wrote: No koreans? This will be boring as hell....
I cannot believe you even just said that.
I am not even going to respond to that.
And this comes from a guy who runs arround "hey i'm the friend of all koreans and bring you in their clans". But hell keep them out of any foreign tournaments. Doty and Game were right your a shame for the community.
Please don't bring this kind of thing unnecessarily to a very positive thread.
On another note, I played a notable, scary player on ladder today who has just returned... He's one to watch...
On January 05 2013 08:38 WeRRa wrote: No koreans? This will be boring as hell....
I cannot believe you even just said that.
I am not even going to respond to that.
And this comes from a guy who runs arround "hey i'm the friend of all koreans and bring you in their clans". But hell keep them out of any foreign tournaments. Doty and Game were right your a shame for the community.
Please don't bring this kind of thing unnecessarily to a very positive thread.
On another note, I played a notable, scary player on ladder today who has just returned... He's one to watch...
First of all let me express how wonderful the idea of this tournament is, and how happy I am to see TL taking the initiative to organise such an event for BW now. And looking back at the previous TSL+ Show Spoiler +
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All in all, this is probably the best time to host a BW tournament backed by a very serious institution in foreign Starcraft - HotS is not yet out, and there is a noticable trickle (wave? tsunami?) of people who are either going back to BW or are trying the classic out for the first time, and enjoying it.
What I would like to address in this regard is casting - both the political and the enjoyment value aspect of it, and in a way about ex-BW foreigner big shots who have moved on to SC2. Both topics have been brought up several times in this thread. Please keep in mind that I'm going to be writing from an ideal world perspective, realistically I have no idea who is actually available and willing.
For more than one reason bringing back casters who were in TSL and TSL 2 is a must. First, for those who have seen them, nostalgia for the great Artosis, Tasteless, Chill, Day[9] etc. casts, I also fondly remember Manifesto's deep and reassuring voice from TSL 1 telling me that a tank is "too fat to fit". Second, politics and addressing the most people possible. I'm talking about people whose SC life began with SC2, and have not yet tried or watched Brood War, and they are the majority on this site. They don't know who Sayle, Hacklebeast, Elegant, Kiante is. However, they do know about the aforementioned four casters, for example, since they have all moved to SC2. People whose potential first BW experience is TLS will have a hook they can use to begin their connection. The importance of this can't be stressed enough (every salesperson knows it is incomparably easier to sell something to an existing client than to obtain a new one). Third, I fucking love their casting to death.
All that said, I think it would be a travesty not to include today's active casters. If I were one of those people who have the love and dedication and work their asses off to keep BW coverage going during times when money- and watcherwise it is the "Starcraft that also ran" out of the two, and were not offered the opportunity to take part in this endeavour, I would feel as if I were punched in the face. (Disclaimer: the real BW casters might be more or less belligerent.) I believe they should be honoured by being offered this chance. Also, I fucking love their casting to death.
Regarding ex-BW players we all love. I'm doubtful about the value of giving them free invites (but of course I have no idea if that is planned). For those who still practice BW or will take a break from SC2 to practice hardcore for TLS, there are multiple qualification tournaments, if they manage to get in, fantastic, hats off to them and I'll be cheering. With no disrespect to the past greats, there are few things more demoralising than being super-hyped to see an old hero finally appear only to end up - rightfully - with his ass in his hands. Especially - since the field where BW is by far more taxing than SC2 is mechanics - when one can feel that their brains are much faster than their hands, they KNOW what they want to do and it's a great plan but it all falls apart because of sub-par execution. Very frustrating for player and fan alike. Some of these players, however, as some have already shown, could be great commentators, if they are willing. For example, the Nony(+Day[9]) analysis of Bisu v Saviour was super, and even in his explanatory video of BW v SC2 carrier control Nony has shown that even when talking about such a "dry" mechanics-issue he can be both immersive and entertaining at the same time - in said carrier-video, when he was discussing micro against goliaths I could imagine being in an actual game watching it, I was actually excited for it when in reality all that was happening on the screen was a single carrier being moved around in single player. This is just an example, but in general great players who are not regular casters can be incredibly entertaining, educational and refreshing to listen to.
On to the proposal, realising that this post is turning out to be a lot lot lot longer than I have bargained for. Taking everything into account my idea is that the best results could be achieved by 1) Having casting duos. TSL's always had non-solo casts, and methinks they do tend to work out better (no offense to Sayle's great 14-hour solo marathons) 2) Here is the actual idea, deeply embedded in the wall of text: having every pair made up of one old- and one new school caster. This immediately has a multitude of benefits. - It breaks the tradition of well-established duos, in a positive way. Sure, Tastosis & Co. have the advantage of being intimately familiar with each other's styles and have great division of casting labour, but I feel that sometimes they know each other too well. Getting a partner you have not casted with yet forces you to acknowledge the other one and to think fresh and have actual conversation-style casting and game discussion, because you do not know the other person's reaction in advance. It reduces the amount of mannerisms that inevitably arise after you had to talk about the same subject for hundreds of hours. It's like first love all over again. (Actually, it's a lot more like cheating on an old partner for the adventure and excitement, but shhhhh.) - It pays proper honour to both the old veterans and the young titans. - It provides great synergy. Current casters have the most up-to-date information on the current metagame strategy trends, and great knowledge of today's stars. Old ones have mostly all been near-professional level BW players, carry their experience, and have the advantage of being able to look at said stars with fresh eyes. - For every single match, again, people coming from SC2 will have someone familiar, greatly reducing the novelty-fear ("these names all say nothing to me, why should I care?") and increasing the chance they will start watching the beautiful game.
Some combinations that I believe would augment each other very well, either because of similar or vastly different but imho great complementary styles:
Sayle and Day[9] (*drool*, also incredibly high "terrible blunder"/sec incoming), Hacklebeast and Artosis Kiante and Nony
I'm sure you can come up with many other potentially very entertaining pairings.
P.s. Dear and much respected organisers, please don't take this as me being a Mr. Know-It-All Smartypants Cleverdick who is trying to tell you your ways, I am certain you have given the topic ample thought and I imagine the bottleneck is caster availability rather than anything else. However, of all events ever hosted by TL, this is the one that cries "raise awareness! show everyone how fun this stuff is!" by far the most. Starting 2013 by putting a BW championship down on the table is more than just another TL tournament - it is also a message, a statement that TL considers BW important and wants to help promote the game. For me certainly, and also I hope for the greatest number of people who are potential watchers the casting combinations I have outlined above would serve as the best way to be addressed, I believe,
I'd absolutely love to see old greats like Day[9] come talk to us again about this amazing game, but I'm sure even if that doesn't happen Teamliquid will bring excellent casting to the table.
Of course my favorite caster of all time remains SirJolt.
Mirnaia, if Sayle + Day9 casted together I think Sayle would shy up and not be that great (unless it was for a long period of time). I tried to pay Day9 for ISL1 to cast with Sayle, so if TL accomplishes it I'll be impressed.
On January 06 2013 08:40 Game wrote: Mirnaia, if Sayle + Day9 casted together I think Sayle would shy up and not be that great (unless it was for a long period of time). I tried to pay Day9 for ISL1 to cast with Sayle, so if TL accomplishes it I'll be impressed.
Valid concern however all I have listed are just quick examples and not anything definite, what I wanted to stress was the idea behind the pairing.
On January 05 2013 08:38 WeRRa wrote: No koreans? This will be boring as hell....
I cannot believe you even just said that.
I am not even going to respond to that.
And this comes from a guy who runs arround "hey i'm the friend of all koreans and bring you in their clans". But hell keep them out of any foreign tournaments. Doty and Game were right your a shame for the community.
What? lol
edit : are you implying that you want Koreans in foreign tournaments? I don't even understand, your grammar is too poor.
Why is there 7 maps that most foreign players have little to no experience playing being used for this tournament?
I'm thinking of playing in this tournament but I don't know a single one of these maps and just learning the layout let alone having reasonable strategies for 3 matchups on 7 maps is fairly daunting.
On January 06 2013 19:49 Smuft wrote: Why is there 7 maps that most foreign players have little to no experience playing being used for this tournament?
I'm thinking of playing in this tournament but I don't know a single one of these maps and just learning the layout let alone having reasonable strategies for 3 matchups on 7 maps is fairly daunting.
Fighting Spirit, New Sniper Ridge, Neo Jade, Neo Ground Zero, Neo Electric Circuit, New Bloody Ridge, and Neo Aztec.
So you've never heard of Fighting Spirit.
/Ignore
Seriously though the majority of these maps are from the last seasons proleague the current players know them really well and Aztec, Bloody Ridge are very well known maps too and further more all of these maps have been proven to be kind of balanced.
I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
You have a point, but I believe you will not need to practice on all maps, because probably they will not use all the maps on qualifiers (I guess it will be 4 maps), then in round of 24 and round of 16 max 3 maps since it's ODT, elimination brackets: bo5, so max 5 maps and only in the finals you will have all 7 maps played.
For now we have just to wait for another announcement what maps will be used for each stage
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
I'm not playing in this tournament, but I'm a good player. I'll practice with you to get you in shape if you want.
On January 06 2013 19:49 Smuft wrote: Why is there 7 maps that most foreign players have little to no experience playing being used for this tournament?
I'm thinking of playing in this tournament but I don't know a single one of these maps and just learning the layout let alone having reasonable strategies for 3 matchups on 7 maps is fairly daunting.
Fighting Spirit, New Sniper Ridge, Neo Jade, Neo Ground Zero, Neo Electric Circuit, New Bloody Ridge, and Neo Aztec.
So you've never heard of Fighting Spirit.
/Ignore
Seriously though the majority of these maps are from the last seasons proleague the current players know them really well and Aztec, Bloody Ridge are very well known maps too and further more all of these maps have been proven to be kind of balanced.
The only bad map there is Neo Aztec because it's a Terran grave yard and we don't have that many Terran players, so depending on luck of the draw we could have a difficult time for terrans advancing from brackets.
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
These are all good points. The map pool provided in this announcement is kinda misleading though. This is a total map pool that will be used throughout the tourney. I don't want to get into too much details since the news post containing all information about qualifiers will be posted soon, but to put your concerns laid to rest, here's some inside information: - Qualifiers will only use 3 maps from the pool posted in this announcement. This way if you want to qualify you only need to practice three maps. - Rest of the tournament until Finals will use 5 maps. So once you've qualified to the main tournament you have to put in effort to practice two more maps. - Finals will use all 7 maps. If your reach finals you should come prepared.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
On January 06 2013 21:50 Smuft wrote: I mean I thought the point of this tournament was to renew / maintain interest in the BW scene and keeping things simple seems to help with that goal? It was hard enough back in the day to get good practice games on pro-level maps and that was when there were only 3-4 maps to practice, now the player pool is much smaller and I have to practice 7 maps? The result for a player in my shoes considering playing this tournament is: 1) That's too many maps, I don't want to bother learning them all. 2) End up beating or losing to a player because one of us has much more or much less practice on a particular map (unnecessary variance) 3) Low quality games.
If you limit the tournament to 3-4 maps all of those problems are done away with and I don't see what the draw backs are, 3-4 maps is still plenty.
I'm not playing in this tournament, but I'm a good player. I'll practice with you to get you in shape if you want.
Practice with me, please. I have no one to practice with.
On January 03 2013 03:19 Artunit wrote: It will be really nice to see old legends like Mondi but I rather watch the current top foreign players who never abandoned bw.
If they came back right now, they would lose anyway. You can't just come back and play for a few days, you need to practice for longer than that.
Edit: Unless they start playing RIGHT NOW and practice for 14 hours a day.
I know a guy who has been playing for months and months. He's playing 14 hours a day. Maybe he'll make it.
My best guess would be Sziky, but I really don't have any idea. Possibly one of the LRM guys like Baku or Trutactz.
I heard that Hackle probably won't be casting this and that made me sad because he totally deserves it. I'm still hopeful that TL approaches him to cast (Next to other old school and new school casters ofc)
On January 08 2013 03:07 Game wrote: I agree that it'd be great to have Hackle on.
Maybe we should do something about it? Petition?
I really feel like this would be a reward of sort for the loyalty that the remaining BW casters displayed. It would feel really unjust to just throw them under the bus and giving this opportunity to people who have left the foreign BW scene in favor of other ''more profitable ventures'' now I'm not saying that they shouldn't cast this or that I don't want them to, but something just doesn't feel right about ignoring the people who have stuck with foreign BW for the past two and a half years and not letting them cast alongside the old stars.
On January 08 2013 03:07 Game wrote: I agree that it'd be great to have Hackle on.
Maybe we should do something about it? Petition?
I really feel like this would be a reward of sort for the loyalty that the remaining BW casters displayed. It would feel really unjust to just throw them under the bus and giving this opportunity to people who have left the foreign BW scene in favor of other ''more profitable ventures'' now I'm not saying that they shouldn't cast this or that I don't want them to, but something just doesn't feel right about ignoring the people who have stuck with foreign BW for the past two and a half years and not letting them cast alongside the old stars.
No they shouldn't. They should pick the two people who will make for the best cast, and they did. They quite literally picked the two best people in the world to cast this. We should all get on our knees tonight and thank the lord that they are casting, and pray for no rain in England for the next 5 months.
Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
well, battle.net is full of maphackers, so dunno if there is use of it and iccup has lan latency, which is essential in today's gaming
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
If you host a game on ICCup, someone will join and you'll be playing in seconds. And there's anti hack, and lan latency.
If you host a game on battle net, you probably get a game as fast, but it will be unplayable laggy, and he will hack.
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
I don't think it's worth it. ICCUP has more activity than bnet servers.
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
Iccup Daily peak is 690 PLayers. Type /motd or any time you re-enter server to see.
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
Fish is really active like 20,000 concurrents that is of course if you don't mind being raped by Koreans.
On January 10 2013 08:52 soccerguy10 wrote: Question for every BWer that uses battlenet. I am contemplating on buying the battlechest to get back on battle net, is it worth it? I am not sure if it is because on iccup, the population seems pretty dead. Anyone that gives information on # of users usually online/active on battlenet would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone on this site!!
Iccup Daily peak is 690 PLayers. Type /motd or any time you re-enter server to see.
Battle.net is only good if you like UMS games as there tend to be more gosus ums-er on them. Iccup should be fine as long as you can host, its a BIG IF though haha.
Yeah battle.net US East is great for UMS, although there are a fair amount of hackers there. iCCup's terrible for UMS generally, but good for melee. And fish has both but the UMS are mostly Korean so if you can't speak Korean it makes it really hard to get on there
I am very pleased how the 1st qualifier went. When me and my opponent had an IP conflict and could not play each other, the Team Liquid staff quickly resolved the issue. I now look forward playing in the next qualifier.
On January 13 2013 07:34 WandS wrote: I am very pleased how the 1st qualifier went. When me and my opponent had an IP conflict and could not play each other, the Team Liquid staff quickly resolved the issue. I now look forward playing in the next qualifier.
On January 13 2013 07:34 WandS wrote: I am very pleased how the 1st qualifier went. When me and my opponent had an IP conflict and could not play each other, the Team Liquid staff quickly resolved the issue. I now look forward playing in the next qualifier.
how was it resolved? I just saw alfio leave after some bm or something xD
On January 13 2013 07:34 WandS wrote: I am very pleased how the 1st qualifier went. When me and my opponent had an IP conflict and could not play each other, the Team Liquid staff quickly resolved the issue. I now look forward playing in the next qualifier.
how was it resolved? I just saw alfio leave after some bm or something xD
we switched wands with southpark, as both players were having ip conflicts with their opponents. its a tough situations but we do our best to handle all ip conflicts and lag issues as fairly as possible. to try and avoid such things just make sure you open your broodwar ports
Played him on ladder some time ago and after I looked him up he looks like an oldschool coming back (well starting to become more active again). Any well known akas? I mean it's an Ex-A level non-korean with a 66.66 ish % winrate.
American 237-9 (I doubt he is unknown to the TL community) Edit Ohh nevermind looking into his match history he only plays D players with a negative winrate 33 % -.- kind of sad if you ask me. I didn't know you could abuse the system like that.
With finals done I just spent all day playing Brood War, again. Haven't played sens SC2 was released but today was a great day. Played 25 games and I sucked pretty hard in all of them but this game is so much fun and exiting. Would probably not found my way back if it wasn't for the combination of the updated SC2BW map and TLS (mostly TLS). I have been a bit surprised by the amount of Zergs on Iccup as it feels like there is 4 times more of them than it used to be.
it seems so easy to find games on iccup again, I've been on every night the past 3 nights and so many people are around it's amazing. I'm sure a big part of it is TLS.
BW is definitely a great game. It's too bad I find it hard to move to attack a Zerg's base after some time has passed lol. Thanks TL for the TLS qualifiers, they were really awesome to watch! :D
On January 17 2013 11:50 LuckyFool wrote: it seems so easy to find games on iccup again, I've been on every night the past 3 nights and so many people are around it's amazing. I'm sure a big part of it is TLS.
maybe I will try laddering my offrace @ iccup again then, haven't been there in a while.
wow I had no idea there were 4 TLS events planned across the entire year. Shit son I have more time to practice to maybe not be as terrible by season 3 or 4.
What a horrible comments on BW. I don't think they remember that this tournament misses all the heavy hitters from BW and skill level is way down from prime time of BW. Heck most of players who qualified cant even win one game out of 50 against former BW pros (currently playing SC2). Still I enjoy watching TLS more than any SC2 tournament currenly going on.
What a horrible comments on BW. I don't think they remember that this tournament misses all the heavy hitters from BW and skill level is way down from prime time of BW. Heck most of players who qualified cant even win one game out of 50 against former BW pros (currently playing SC2). Still I enjoy watching TLS more than any SC2 tournament currenly going on.
Im sorry, i cant agree at all to what you say here. If you take a look at the Qualifiers, you'll notice that many former bw players came back and did not win the thing. Naugrim, G5, Infernal were all in the top50 of the foreign scene in their respective prime to me. i can only imagine you saw the 4th qualifier only, which was slightly underwhelming. But take a look at sziky vs pusan showmatch and tell me foreign bw is declining
topic: i dont like that NASL show, but as long as they push our tournament, i dont mind ^^
What a horrible comments on BW. I don't think they remember that this tournament misses all the heavy hitters from BW and skill level is way down from prime time of BW. Heck most of players who qualified cant even win one game out of 50 against former BW pros (currently playing SC2). Still I enjoy watching TLS more than any SC2 tournament currenly going on.
What a horrible comments on BW. I don't think they remember that this tournament misses all the heavy hitters from BW and skill level is way down from prime time of BW. Heck most of players who qualified cant even win one game out of 50 against former BW pros (currently playing SC2). Still I enjoy watching TLS more than any SC2 tournament currenly going on.
Im sorry, i cant agree at all to what you say here. If you take a look at the Qualifiers, you'll notice that many former bw players came back and did not win the thing. Naugrim, G5, Infernal were all in the top50 of the foreign scene in their respective prime to me. i can only imagine you saw the 4th qualifier only, which was slightly underwhelming. But take a look at sziky vs pusan showmatch and tell me foreign bw is declining
topic: i dont like that NASL show, but as long as they push our tournament, i dont mind ^^
Well my point was more korean scene vs foreign which I assume they compare TLS. Jangbi winning OSL (or earlier OSL) is a bit different skill level than TLS don't you think. Current foreigners do make a lot of mistakes, mainly do to BW requiring more mechanics.
What a horrible comments on BW. I don't think they remember that this tournament misses all the heavy hitters from BW and skill level is way down from prime time of BW. Heck most of players who qualified cant even win one game out of 50 against former BW pros (currently playing SC2). Still I enjoy watching TLS more than any SC2 tournament currenly going on.
Im sorry, i cant agree at all to what you say here. If you take a look at the Qualifiers, you'll notice that many former bw players came back and did not win the thing. Naugrim, G5, Infernal were all in the top50 of the foreign scene in their respective prime to me. i can only imagine you saw the 4th qualifier only, which was slightly underwhelming. But take a look at sziky vs pusan showmatch and tell me foreign bw is declining
topic: i dont like that NASL show, but as long as they push our tournament, i dont mind ^^
Well my point was more korean scene vs foreign which I assume they compare TLS. Jangbi winning OSL (or earlier OSL) is a bit different skill level than TLS don't you think. Current foreigners do make a lot of mistakes, mainly do to BW requiring more mechanics.
Well in that case, yes. But thats nothing new. In bw Koreans always dominated in professional play after Grrr. As it became standard for TL Events, koreans arent even allowed to participate. Its standard NASL hype stuff. They always tend to exaggerate things
Starts at 2:25. Can't really stand watching that show though D:
Always neat to see some more exposure for the TLS though!
That main guy was really nice and supportive. And the guy on the far left was nice at first and then started to use his SC2 agenda against us. Overall I think they were really nice ot give the TLS exposure and it inspires me to work harder on its content.
dRaW if you didn't watch the video, those are your reavers they are saying you lost to the sunken!
I think it is fair to say that coming into see BW for the first time, it is a little bit harder if you don't know the players and personalities in the scene. Even for myself I am only just starting to know who is in the foreign scene as I had really on paid attention to Korean BW. It's hard to jump in blind and have people to root for and so that requires a little bit of time and investment. Hopefully, between the games and interviews people can start knowing who is in the foreign scene- perhaps later profile pics would help? Who knows.
But this is a passion project. We put on the best that we can, and the numbers we get, is the numbers we get. I am certainly excited about it and foreign BW was barely on my radar before.
On January 24 2013 04:13 Falling wrote: BW effecting SC2's oversaturation. Haha.
I think it is fair to say that coming into see BW for the first time, it is a little bit harder if you don't know the players and personalities in the scene. Even for myself I am only just starting to know who is in the foreign scene as I had really on paid attention to Korean BW. It's hard to jump in blind and have people to root for and so that requires a little bit of time and investment. Hopefully, between the games and interviews people can start knowing who is in the foreign scene- perhaps later profile pics would help? Who knows.
But this is a passion project. We put on the best that we can, and the numbers we get, is the numbers we get. I am certainly excited about it and foreign BW was barely on my radar before.
Agreed. I'm so out of touch with the foreign scene. I pretty much took a step back from BW because the ending of the kespa scene hit me really hard. And I did my best to cheer on Bisu because he's been my hero for so long but I think I've moved on from that too.
However, now that I'm back and engaged in the BW scene I have rediscovered my hobby. I think this scene needs drama and fans and antifans and crazy pictures and funny articles and new discussions that breathe fresh air into the forums. And I personally want to do my best to help make that happen. BW4L.
Starts at 2:25. Can't really stand watching that show though D:
Always neat to see some more exposure for the TLS though!
That main guy was really nice and supportive. And the guy on the far left was nice at first and then started to use his SC2 agenda against us. Overall I think they were really nice ot give the TLS exposure and it inspires me to work harder on its content.
dRaW if you didn't watch the video, those are your reavers they are saying you lost to the sunken!
That's because if I show my true skill then I will thrust fear into the opponents and we won't get a good tournament.
Starts at 2:25. Can't really stand watching that show though D:
Always neat to see some more exposure for the TLS though!
That main guy was really nice and supportive. And the guy on the far left was nice at first and then started to use his SC2 agenda against us. Overall I think they were really nice ot give the TLS exposure and it inspires me to work harder on its content.
dRaW if you didn't watch the video, those are your reavers they are saying you lost to the sunken!
That's because if I show my true skill then I will thrust fear into the opponents and we won't get a good tournament.
Starts at 2:25. Can't really stand watching that show though D:
Always neat to see some more exposure for the TLS though!
That main guy was really nice and supportive. And the guy on the far left was nice at first and then started to use his SC2 agenda against us. Overall I think they were really nice ot give the TLS exposure and it inspires me to work harder on its content.
dRaW if you didn't watch the video, those are your reavers they are saying you lost to the sunken!
That's because if I show my true skill then I will thrust fear into the opponents and we won't get a good tournament.
On January 24 2013 04:13 Falling wrote: BW effecting SC2's oversaturation. Haha.
I think it is fair to say that coming into see BW for the first time, it is a little bit harder if you don't know the players and personalities in the scene. Even for myself I am only just starting to know who is in the foreign scene as I had really on paid attention to Korean BW. It's hard to jump in blind and have people to root for and so that requires a little bit of time and investment. Hopefully, between the games and interviews people can start knowing who is in the foreign scene- perhaps later profile pics would help? Who knows.
But this is a passion project. We put on the best that we can, and the numbers we get, is the numbers we get. I am certainly excited about it and foreign BW was barely on my radar before.
If you really want to know more about the foreigners just go to Sayles channel and go watch videos from 2011
Rather than go through my whole channel, I'd highly recommend the following series for those interested in getting a better taste of the foreign scene apart from TLS:
LRM vs sas/Nb in the Gambit's Cup Season 1 Finals: A Bo3 of Bo7 series, this would be the SKT vs KT of the foreigner scene. Epic rivalry, epic games, and contains one of the best comebacks I have ever seen in my five years of BW. Playlist 1 Playlist 2
Michael vs Pro7ect in the GosuCup Finals: The Jaedong vs Flash of the foreigner scene. This series is a nail-biter from start to finish and shows good overall series planning/strategy as well as brilliance in individual games. Link to first game
On January 24 2013 04:13 Falling wrote: BW effecting SC2's oversaturation. Haha.
I think it is fair to say that coming into see BW for the first time, it is a little bit harder if you don't know the players and personalities in the scene. Even for myself I am only just starting to know who is in the foreign scene as I had really on paid attention to Korean BW. It's hard to jump in blind and have people to root for and so that requires a little bit of time and investment. Hopefully, between the games and interviews people can start knowing who is in the foreign scene- perhaps later profile pics would help? Who knows.
But this is a passion project. We put on the best that we can, and the numbers we get, is the numbers we get. I am certainly excited about it and foreign BW was barely on my radar before.
If you really want to know more about the foreigners just go to Sayles channel and go watch videos from 2011
On January 24 2013 04:13 Falling wrote: BW effecting SC2's oversaturation. Haha.
I think it is fair to say that coming into see BW for the first time, it is a little bit harder if you don't know the players and personalities in the scene. Even for myself I am only just starting to know who is in the foreign scene as I had really on paid attention to Korean BW. It's hard to jump in blind and have people to root for and so that requires a little bit of time and investment. Hopefully, between the games and interviews people can start knowing who is in the foreign scene- perhaps later profile pics would help? Who knows.
But this is a passion project. We put on the best that we can, and the numbers we get, is the numbers we get. I am certainly excited about it and foreign BW was barely on my radar before.
If you really want to know more about the foreigners just go to Sayles channel and go watch videos from 2011
Group A and B are going to be played this week or weekend (casted at the same time as the qualifiers I assume). they will announce sometime this week who is playing, then I imagine we will have foreign liquibets (too bad these weren't included for nationwars)
All I can say is that all the groups are relatively stacked and for the most part its hard to predict who will advance.
On January 20 2013 14:47 Shana wrote: Guess I'm not participating in this
Start playing BW again but fuck it I'm horrible after so many years not playing it
Even my noobie ass beat Assault (it says he is A-/B+) and I was nowhere near the lvl of beating him...
I played TLS for fun and exactly for that reason. Sooo refreshing. I <3 BW!
some random lower rank kid beats me then brags about it, this is exactly the kinda stuff that turns the tourny from something fun into stress
The game we played I was prolly playing about C level, TLS 5 I'll show my true colours, gonna be sure not to make this mistake again
hey me too, i was stacking like 3k minerals lol i think i was playing d- level good luck in the next TLS, try not to lose vs D rankers next time around
On January 20 2013 14:47 Shana wrote: Guess I'm not participating in this
Start playing BW again but fuck it I'm horrible after so many years not playing it
Even my noobie ass beat Assault (it says he is A-/B+) and I was nowhere near the lvl of beating him...
I played TLS for fun and exactly for that reason. Sooo refreshing. I <3 BW!
some random lower rank kid beats me then brags about it, this is exactly the kinda stuff that turns the tourny from something fun into stress
The game we played I was prolly playing about C level, TLS 5 I'll show my true colours, gonna be sure not to make this mistake again
hey me too, i was stacking like 3k minerals lol i think i was playing d- level good luck in the next TLS, try not to lose vs D rankers next time around
Can we get an announcement on the Ro16 format anytime soon?
I personally hope it's a Bo3 group so that we can have a stream on both Sunday and Saturday for two weeks before we are done with the groups instead of finishing Ro16 with 2 casts both on Saturday and Bo1 groups.
As in Bo3 format I mean the same format as it was used in the Ro24 except that they players play Bo3 sets.
On March 31 2014 13:04 traceurling wrote: Must be waiting for Starcraft 4 to come out Holy crap when did Epoxide get a new icon what is it its so cool :o
On March 31 2014 13:04 traceurling wrote: Must be waiting for Starcraft 4 to come out Holy crap when did Epoxide get a new icon what is it its so cool :o
On March 31 2014 13:04 traceurling wrote: Must be waiting for Starcraft 4 to come out Holy crap when did Epoxide get a new icon what is it its so cool :o
lol. As for icon, it's a dota team icon I think?
Nope it's climbing related
oh I see. I just recall seeing someone have a dota icon that was similar ^^
On March 31 2014 13:04 traceurling wrote: Must be waiting for Starcraft 4 to come out Holy crap when did Epoxide get a new icon what is it its so cool :o
lol. As for icon, it's a dota team icon I think?
Nope it's climbing related
oh I see. I just recall seeing someone have a dota icon that was similar ^^
It does look a lot like the Cloud 9 icon now that you mention it
On March 31 2014 13:04 traceurling wrote: Must be waiting for Starcraft 4 to come out Holy crap when did Epoxide get a new icon what is it its so cool :o
lol. As for icon, it's a dota team icon I think?
Nope it's climbing related
oh I see. I just recall seeing someone have a dota icon that was similar ^^
It does look a lot like the Cloud 9 icon now that you mention it
ya, that's probably it then. I just wasn't sure what dota team it was close to but at least I know it's also climbing related now
-.- I can't express how excited I got when I saw this. My roar of excitement sent my cat skittering from the room. You can go on about your business. Move along. Move along.
Guys, just wanted to ask if there is going to be another final TLS as it was announced before or the project is abandoned? And if the organisers still plan to make it happen can you give us a little bit of info about when can we expect it? I am writing only because I miss the hype around these tournaments, because they were the biggest and most exciting ones in our foreign scene and I'd love to see TLS 4 on the map! Credits and another thank you to all of you involved in the previous tournaments, they were awesome . Looking forward to see Sayle and Elegant do the duo-casting once again!
On January 21 2015 02:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Yes, we still plan on holding the TLS Championship. Unfortunately, we don't know when exactly yet. Hopefully soon!
On January 21 2015 02:10 2Pacalypse- wrote: Yes, we still plan on holding the TLS Championship. Unfortunately, we don't know when exactly yet. Hopefully soon!
Championship? Does that mean it wotn be a open tour? Were not so many in the foreign community.. i think it should be a open tour incase it isnt
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