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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5606 Posts
September 15 2012 09:08 GMT
#81
I really miss Effort and Midas... but solid list!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 11:09:40
September 15 2012 11:07 GMT
#82
On September 15 2012 05:34 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
And Savior is not there.

/list.

Ok, Savior is a bad guy, he cheated, whatever you want, but he has been the most dominant zerg, one of the five or so best players ever, the first to be called bonjwa and the initiator of zerg modern thinking. And definitly the most influential player on zerg's general theory, strategy, build orders and tactics.

But oh, let's pretend he didn't exist because huuu herm, he cheated, you know...

I guess it doesn't matter that compared to him, three quarters of those players have achieved almost nothing...

I just want to remind every Savior supporter that this is eSports Hall of Fame, not Best Players Ever and not Most Dominant Players Ever and not Most SL Titles list. Cheating is against sportsmanship, just as much as doping, and therefore he has no place in a hall of fame dedicated to the SPORT HE CHEATED IN. People who get caught doping get their medals taken away. Savior lost everything when he cheated. That is ALL. There really can be no debate about this.

If it's about fame, he should be in it, period. He is one of the greatest and, one every single level, one of the key figure in the history of that game. If you don't want Savior, make a "hall of the nice guys" or whatever.

And it's not like Savior won his titles by cheating. Then I would understand, the same way that yeah, if you make a hall of fame of cycling, then, no Armstrong because the way he achieved what he achieved was not legit.

Mind you, Savior hasn't even dropped a single game on purpose. Inside the boot, as a brood war player he has always been 100% legit. His criminal activities as a match fixer are regretable, you can very well hate him for that, but that's just another story. Now, a list of the greatest zerg without Savior looks like a list of the best heavyweight boxers without Mike Tyson. It just makes no sense at all.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18702 Posts
September 15 2012 11:07 GMT
#83
Grr and Kingdom are out of place imo...
Don't see why they should get in and Effort not. Though Kingdom's accomplishments as coach must be considered too.
Other than that lovely list.

And also to the people saying Zero and Soulkey: wtf? This isn't a fanboy's list of fame.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 15 2012 12:05 GMT
#84
On September 15 2012 16:17 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 15:37 iSCOUT4u wrote:
I don't really agree with Kingdom or Grrr. As someone already said if Grrr wasn't a foreinger nobody would remember him today. I would have included Midas.


Ddang?

If I had to pick a standard terran who never made it to an OSL or MSL final to include in the hall of fame, Midas wouldn't even be my first choice.

Super good TvP and only one to rival Savior slightly, choking hard doesn't help his case though
I don't really see what XellOs did that was so special to get him on that list. I'm not against it though I love XellOs <3
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
September 15 2012 12:08 GMT
#85
On September 15 2012 16:17 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 15:37 iSCOUT4u wrote:
I don't really agree with Kingdom or Grrr. As someone already said if Grrr wasn't a foreinger nobody would remember him today. I would have included Midas.


Ddang?

If I had to pick a standard terran who never made it to an OSL or MSL final to include in the hall of fame, Midas wouldn't even be my first choice.

I don't see who would deserve it more than Midas or Iris...
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11296 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 12:22:27
September 15 2012 12:18 GMT
#86
Yes they all made it. Bisu, Kingdom, rA, Stork and JangBi!!!

Aww, ZeuS didn't make it.
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2347 Posts
September 15 2012 12:25 GMT
#87
On September 15 2012 20:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:34 Jealous wrote:
On September 15 2012 05:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
And Savior is not there.

/list.

Ok, Savior is a bad guy, he cheated, whatever you want, but he has been the most dominant zerg, one of the five or so best players ever, the first to be called bonjwa and the initiator of zerg modern thinking. And definitly the most influential player on zerg's general theory, strategy, build orders and tactics.

But oh, let's pretend he didn't exist because huuu herm, he cheated, you know...

I guess it doesn't matter that compared to him, three quarters of those players have achieved almost nothing...

I just want to remind every Savior supporter that this is eSports Hall of Fame, not Best Players Ever and not Most Dominant Players Ever and not Most SL Titles list. Cheating is against sportsmanship, just as much as doping, and therefore he has no place in a hall of fame dedicated to the SPORT HE CHEATED IN. People who get caught doping get their medals taken away. Savior lost everything when he cheated. That is ALL. There really can be no debate about this.

If it's about fame, he should be in it, period. He is one of the greatest and, one every single level, one of the key figure in the history of that game. If you don't want Savior, make a "hall of the nice guys" or whatever.

And it's not like Savior won his titles by cheating. Then I would understand, the same way that yeah, if you make a hall of fame of cycling, then, no Armstrong because the way he achieved what he achieved was not legit.

Mind you, Savior hasn't even dropped a single game on purpose. Inside the boot, as a brood war player he has always been 100% legit. His criminal activities as a match fixer are regretable, you can very well hate him for that, but that's just another story. Now, a list of the greatest zerg without Savior looks like a list of the best heavyweight boxers without Mike Tyson. It just makes no sense at all.



The 'e-sports Hall of Fame' will commemorate the many progamers who acquired many achievements and plant the players' honor and self-esteem along with enchancing their images in a hall that will uplift them.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 15 2012 12:28 GMT
#88
super solid, grrr had to be there, he revolutionized the game in pre-boxer era.

Yay for Kingdom also. And Storky
Stork[gm]
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
September 15 2012 12:34 GMT
#89
On September 15 2012 16:52 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 15:48 skrotcyk wrote:
I don't see why it's called "eSports Hall of Fame"

It should be called "Brood War Hall of Fame" if anything


These people mastered their ESPORT broodwar more than any other person has mastered a competitive game. Think about it what other game had that long of a run with serious competitions. Maybe some shooters like CS or Quake or an RTS like WC3 and perhaps some old school RTS like AOE2, but even with mastering their own games they didn't have the competition pool of BW.

I know this is a BW forum and you guys won't acknowledge it but... Moon
in a state of trance
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
September 15 2012 12:50 GMT
#90
On September 15 2012 21:34 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:52 NoobSkills wrote:
On September 15 2012 15:48 skrotcyk wrote:
I don't see why it's called "eSports Hall of Fame"

It should be called "Brood War Hall of Fame" if anything


These people mastered their ESPORT broodwar more than any other person has mastered a competitive game. Think about it what other game had that long of a run with serious competitions. Maybe some shooters like CS or Quake or an RTS like WC3 and perhaps some old school RTS like AOE2, but even with mastering their own games they didn't have the competition pool of BW.

I know this is a BW forum and you guys won't acknowledge it but... Moon

I and quite a few other I believe totally agree that Moon would deserve it =)
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
September 15 2012 12:54 GMT
#91
Iris deserve to be in that list .......
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18702 Posts
September 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#92
On September 15 2012 21:54 Sawamura wrote:
Iris deserve to be in that list .......


Most consistent terran of all time (without a SL win). Poor Iris. He's been part of so many epic Bo5s...
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
September 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#93
On September 15 2012 21:54 Sawamura wrote:
Iris deserve to be in that list .......
but does he deserve to be in it more than any of the mentioned players?
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
September 15 2012 13:32 GMT
#94
On September 15 2012 02:41 SeeKeR wrote:
After tallying up the results, the final twenty who will be rewarded for their contributions have been announced! The date for the ceremony has been set for September 22nd, at the same place where the 2012 SK Planet ProLeague grand finals will be held.

That means they will all be together on the stage right? If so, the epicness of the pictures will be off charts
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InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
September 15 2012 13:37 GMT
#95
I'm still waiting for this
"According to a report from FOMOS (online professional game media), he's living a life as ordinary staff of a company, but he said that he could return to the professional game field after the launching of StarCraft II"
come one grrr
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andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
September 15 2012 13:39 GMT
#96
On September 15 2012 22:37 InsidiA wrote:
I'm still waiting for this
"According to a report from FOMOS (online professional game media), he's living a life as ordinary staff of a company, but he said that he could return to the professional game field after the launching of StarCraft II"
come one grrr

grrr tried out for GSL Open 1 and didn't make it, so I guess he gave that up.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
September 15 2012 13:50 GMT
#97
On September 15 2012 20:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:34 Jealous wrote:
On September 15 2012 05:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
And Savior is not there.

/list.

Ok, Savior is a bad guy, he cheated, whatever you want, but he has been the most dominant zerg, one of the five or so best players ever, the first to be called bonjwa and the initiator of zerg modern thinking. And definitly the most influential player on zerg's general theory, strategy, build orders and tactics.

But oh, let's pretend he didn't exist because huuu herm, he cheated, you know...

I guess it doesn't matter that compared to him, three quarters of those players have achieved almost nothing...

I just want to remind every Savior supporter that this is eSports Hall of Fame, not Best Players Ever and not Most Dominant Players Ever and not Most SL Titles list. Cheating is against sportsmanship, just as much as doping, and therefore he has no place in a hall of fame dedicated to the SPORT HE CHEATED IN. People who get caught doping get their medals taken away. Savior lost everything when he cheated. That is ALL. There really can be no debate about this.

If it's about fame, he should be in it, period. He is one of the greatest and, one every single level, one of the key figure in the history of that game. If you don't want Savior, make a "hall of the nice guys" or whatever.

And it's not like Savior won his titles by cheating. Then I would understand, the same way that yeah, if you make a hall of fame of cycling, then, no Armstrong because the way he achieved what he achieved was not legit.

Mind you, Savior hasn't even dropped a single game on purpose. Inside the boot, as a brood war player he has always been 100% legit. His criminal activities as a match fixer are regretable, you can very well hate him for that, but that's just another story. Now, a list of the greatest zerg without Savior looks like a list of the best heavyweight boxers without Mike Tyson. It just makes no sense at all.

It makes no sense putting someone who had a major hand in killing the sport in its hall of fame... Savior is INfamous and took a massive shit on the integrity and hard work of the gamers who came before and after him. There's no way he deserves to be honoured in anything like this.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10524 Posts
September 15 2012 14:30 GMT
#98
... All this sAviOr talk makes me sick... As much of a Ma Jae Yoon fanboy I am, I agree with the others who say that he doesn't deserve to be on this list. Guys cmon, he cheated. He did something bad, and something that probably killed Starcraft Brood War. At least, the cheating scandal did impact the Brood War scene quite a bit.

And for those who say he should be there, I'd love to see him up there as well, but fact is, he doesn't deserve to be up there. Let's say that someone like Tim Duncan, or Kobe Bryant, or any big superstar was caught CHEATING or using STEROIDS or something. Do they deserve to be up on that list for NBA HoF. Hell no. You know the old saying... Cheaters never prosper? Well, there's one thing that they'll never prosper in, getting into the HoF.

So stop bitching about sAviOr not in. Maybe he shouldn't have cheated. Ever thought of that?
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 15 2012 14:34 GMT
#99
On September 15 2012 21:05 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 16:17 Mindcrime wrote:
On September 15 2012 15:37 iSCOUT4u wrote:
I don't really agree with Kingdom or Grrr. As someone already said if Grrr wasn't a foreinger nobody would remember him today. I would have included Midas.


Ddang?

If I had to pick a standard terran who never made it to an OSL or MSL final to include in the hall of fame, Midas wouldn't even be my first choice.

Super good TvP and only one to rival Savior slightly, choking hard doesn't help his case though
I don't really see what XellOs did that was so special to get him on that list. I'm not against it though I love XellOs <3


He was the one that made CJ Entus basically up from the G.O. days with his personal tournament winnings.

+ the handsomness.

Xellos is the most handsome nerd ever and yes he wiped the floor with NaDa, Bisu, AND BoxeR
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operwolf
Profile Joined April 2008
United States324 Posts
September 15 2012 14:37 GMT
#100
On September 15 2012 21:54 Sawamura wrote:
Iris deserve to be in that list .......


My thoughts exactly.
He'll end up dead, because he'll die.
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