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Rush
Profile Joined April 2003
United States408 Posts
April 26 2003 16:18 GMT
#81
bunch of shit
It's a grill and a cooler? It's a grooler!
Strafe[iR]
Profile Joined March 2003
Netherlands266 Posts
April 26 2003 16:19 GMT
#82
If Jinsu Plays for ILNP then its cLear why all the maps are ZERG maps no?
Help me with my army. http://www.kingsofchaos.com/recruit.php?uniqid=wv63w278 . Thk you
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
April 26 2003 16:19 GMT
#83
HAHAHAH does this surprise ANYONE?

is there anyone in the fucking community with even an ounce of respect for smuft anyway? he's the biggest prick around.

everyone knows dudey sucks. dudey can't fight his way out of a fucking paper bag. if anyone remembers in the comp usa ladder when kevin had some pro play for him, dudey stuck up for him saying it was smart thing to do to ensure a win and he'd do the saem thing =( give me a fuckin break.

naz, i'd be ashamed to be associated with this bullshit if i were you, and i'd be even more ashamed if i knew what was going on and didn't tell anyone -_-

a lot of people put up money to play in this and now everyone who had a chance at winning is getting fucked out of their money.

i knew this whole thing was a joke when it became apparent smuft was the only one making decisions and running the show. i have no respect for the dream team =(
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
April 26 2003 16:21 GMT
#84
On April 27 2003 01:19 HnR)Louder wrote:
dudey can't fight his way out of a fucking paper bag.


with scissors in his hands!
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
RaGe_banned
Profile Joined March 2003
United States538 Posts
April 26 2003 16:35 GMT
#85
To Venice: It's not cool that u said that shit to me on MSN, I'm trying to help your ass and all you can say is a bunch of bullshit. You did what was right.

Nazgul-I respect you more now to, telling Venice what was going on was the right thing to do because you obviously told the right person because he did the right thing.

You all are focusing on the wrong part of this. Don't you take into consideration about Onurb and Eki of WGtour.com? They let them host this scam on their server, without WGTour's hosting this plan never would have come thru. So there are 4 culporates, and not one of those 4 is Nazgul or Venice. So it's obvious that those 4 are Elky, smuft, Onurb, and Eki.
I'm not at all surprised that Elky was the creator of this plan seeing as how he has handled himself in KBK Jeju, but abusing is totally different than taking $20 from some people who are from countries where $20 maybe a month of full time work.
Beyonder = The One Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Seven King
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
April 26 2003 16:36 GMT
#86
Tomson > Daaman
impatience is a virtue
Funktion
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia156 Posts
April 26 2003 16:40 GMT
#87
How the fuck you bring Onurb and Eki into this Rage I'll never know.
Wuzzle Woozle?
dekaN
Profile Joined February 2003
104 Posts
April 26 2003 16:46 GMT
#88
Onurb and Eki have to pay a fortune just to host WGTour. They don't even get any money out of this. Nothing is wrong with them.

And we can't sue WDTour. It promised a ladder for $20.
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
April 26 2003 16:46 GMT
#89
Yeah the WGTour admins totally didn't agree with pretty much all of Smuft's actions before... they have nothing to do with it.

Also the "taking $20 from some people who are from countries where $20 maybe a month of full time work" is pretty much exaggerated, if they can afford to buy a comp, I think they can pay up 20$ -_-
Moderatorfollow me on twitter if u think ur so tough @BooyaCow
dekaN
Profile Joined February 2003
104 Posts
April 26 2003 16:58 GMT
#90
I'd like to thank Kiddie for telling the truth.

I don't blame anyone at this, but I feel that WDT fooled us.

It's pretty clear now that this was a scam. What we should do other than complain and add more theories is we should find a way to fix this problem. We shouldn't find someone to blame, we should find a way to make this better.
rK
Profile Joined September 2002
United States371 Posts
April 26 2003 17:10 GMT
#91
As for legal action, the case would not be for the entry fee. It would be for the time loss. Someone could reasonably claim 1,000 hours time loss, which would net at least $6,000. Or if that failed, send them to jail for Fraud. Would have to take place in America though, and have a good lawyer.


I can't see any legal action being taken over this though.
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
April 26 2003 17:13 GMT
#92
you can easily sue for fraud or punitive damages. "I could have been working instead of spending time playing this ladder." (I dont think suing is the answer) 50 players comming together and getting a lawyer would be cost effective, even though it would be time consuming.
rK
Profile Joined September 2002
United States371 Posts
April 26 2003 17:16 GMT
#93
On April 27 2003 01:46 dekaN wrote:
And we can't sue WDTour. It promised a ladder for $20.


It also promised through means of a binding contract that the winner would be flown to Korea. If that prize is refused, even if you yourself are not the winner, you can sue for fraud and ask any reasonable amount per hour for time loss ("I would have been working overtime if not for it...").


But I can't see anyone suing over it...a punch in the face, maybe
Hades
Profile Joined January 2003
Canada927 Posts
April 26 2003 17:18 GMT
#94
Just email AMD, they rely on their sponsorship and this clearly reflects VERY poorly on AMD that they would sponsor people who act like this...
I just finished eating my vegetables, now where do I throw the wheelchairs?
LaG)MakER
Profile Joined April 2003
Yugoslavia284 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-04-26 18:00:10
April 26 2003 17:19 GMT
#95
[not wanted]
.house
B.GoD_AnGRY
Profile Joined January 2003
Chile334 Posts
April 26 2003 17:20 GMT
#96
anyway, its always good to see the other side of the bracket and watch good games and good intentions...
Tom_BRowkaH
Profile Joined April 2003
Peru96 Posts
April 26 2003 17:22 GMT
#97
yes i bet you like would love to watch elky and smuft :[[[
you sick fuk
Tich mi protis
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
April 26 2003 17:25 GMT
#98
On April 27 2003 02:16 rK wrote:

If that prize is refused, even if you yourself are not the winner, you can sue for fraud and ask any reasonable amount per hour for time loss


and if dudey refuse to go to korea? thats what they want. so u cant sue them.
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
B.GoD_AnGRY
Profile Joined January 2003
Chile334 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-04-26 17:52:40
April 26 2003 17:32 GMT
#99
[edit, no spanish]
Maynard
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States889 Posts
April 26 2003 17:32 GMT
#100
Jamers pointed me to this and i have to thank him. It was rather entertaining. I thought this tourny became bullcrap after the testie crap(sorry dude everyone knows u hack). I dont know if what is said about this tourny is true or not but i still feel sorry for u guys. I saw how many games you all played and how much time each of you invested.

Id like to clear some misconceptions you all have about the Korean experience. The players there and the people on this forum seem to glamorize it without knowing anything about it. It is definately not something you should dedicate your lives to.

Several of you want to go to Korea and win lots of money but in reality you cannot. Face the truth. You have been playing for 4 years straight and you are still not a top player. Going to korea will not change anything. You will not storm onto the scene and win tournament after tournament. You will not win any tournaments nor will you place high in any ladder.

All but a handful of pro gamers make less than a full time mcdonalds employee. You will definately not make any money from this experience.

If winning tournaments and money is not your motivation and adventure is then fine. You can save yourself the bullshit and finance your own trip to Korea. Looking at the ladder i saw several people with hundreds of games. You could earn a couple thousand and go it on your own. It is not hard.

After several months of being in Korea i personally felt sick. I couldnt get over the fact that my life was meaningless there. I was not doing anything worthwhile except playing games. Do you all want to be 30 year old pro gamers?

No one spoke english. All there is to do in Korea is to play games and go to night clubs to try to screw korean sluts. Is that worth your time?

Korea is a very dirty place. It is a third world country. Granted it has its nice parts but for the most part it is very poor and dirty. Almost everyone of you here are from very rich countries, Holland, USA, Canada, etc. Why would you want to move? There is a life outside of your bedroom, trust me you dont have to go to korea to find it.

In short none of you are going to do what grrr did. NONE of you. Do not try. If it is a scam you lost your 20 dollars and your hours of gaming, get over it, its gone.

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