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[Interview] OSL Ro8 Flash vs Shine winner - Page 3

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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 27 2012 12:40 GMT
#41
Thanks for the translation! And wow I do feel sory for that ref's being fired

Nice to see Flash appreciating Shine's epic nydus, but yeah...

Oh wait, just suspended, not that bad I guess >< 500k won is definitely a pretty significant fine though.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 12:59:28
June 27 2012 12:59 GMT
#42
He's not fired, just fined and can't referee any more OSL matches this season (which is 4).

If you pay enough attention, he'll still be around for Proleague games.
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uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
June 27 2012 13:08 GMT
#43
Whoops, I had it as 50k. Brain fart.

I have no concept of the Korean currency or surely I would have realized that that is an absurd amount for a fine :X

I think the fine is fairly harsh. The suspension seems just, but a cash fine seems abit out of the ordinary for such cases. I guess there was a need to appease the rage that's been going around.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 13:35 GMT
#44
On June 27 2012 22:08 uriel- wrote:
Whoops, I had it as 50k. Brain fart.

I have no concept of the Korean currency or surely I would have realized that that is an absurd amount for a fine :X

I think the fine is fairly harsh. The suspension seems just, but a cash fine seems abit out of the ordinary for such cases. I guess there was a need to appease the rage that's been going around.


is like <500 USD, it's not THAT much but definitely dents someone's monthly
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 27 2012 14:01 GMT
#45
It depends on both how much his salary is and what the cost of living is like in Korea... You can't really get a good idea of what it is just from googling the exchange rate.
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
June 27 2012 15:03 GMT
#46
So this is how Kespa intends to make money when sponsors are dropping. The referee's call was questionable, but the fine seems bizarre.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
June 27 2012 15:36 GMT
#47
Since KesPa is dropping BW for good, I am going to badmouth them as much as I can now.

Really? Man, 500K of FINE for the Committee? Fuck you!
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5090 Posts
June 27 2012 15:39 GMT
#48
Why exactly did Shine pp for?
It seemed to me like his mouse stopped working.

The KeSPA referee took 3 full seconds to pause the game after pp was called.
Not that it mattered anymore in that situation, but how hard is it to F10-P? Jesus.

IMHO if that bullshit didn't happen Shine would have won the 2nd game n then it could have gone 3-2 either way easily.
I'm very very disappointed.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 15:46 GMT
#49
On June 28 2012 00:36 Xiphos wrote:
Since KesPa is dropping BW for good, I am going to badmouth them as much as I can now.

Really? Man, 500K of FINE for the Committee? Fuck you!


kespa is also looking out for its players and kept the players of T8 afloat on their own funds, and they are trying to make sure the remaining players have an income in a year. They aren't all bad, I may disagree with its questionable decision making some times, but we need kespa.
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Vazze
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden279 Posts
June 27 2012 15:46 GMT
#50
On June 27 2012 20:50 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 20:44 uriel- wrote:
It seems the referee responsible for the decision has been fined 50k won and barred from refereeing for the remainder of the OSL. KesPA convened some emergency meeting and agreed that a bad call was made, and an apology has been issued to KT, KT's coach Lee, Flash, Samsung Khan and Khan's head coach January.

Source: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_69930.html


I will translate this right now

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KeSPA started an emergency referee committee meeting on the 27th, and discussed matters regarding the pause and judgement (re-judgement) in the game between (T)Flash and (Z)Shine on the 26th in the Tving OSL, and has admitted that the referee responsible (Woo ?) had made mistakes in his judgement.

Referee Woo had decided at the time that "the match could be continued after bring out (loading) the save", but then immediately after because the save file didn't respond and encountered technical problems, he thought that continuing the match would be too difficult, so he announced a re-game.

Kespa elevated the issue and had a committee discuss the event, Referee Woo said "When (Z)Shine requested a pause it was possible to give Flash the win, but since the match was already announced to continue, giving (T)Flash the win at that point seemed unreasonable."

But the referee committee thinks, that since a save file problem was confirmed, the game could not be continued, so it should have been judged as a disconnect, so the game would have been paused again, and at this point giving a player the win was more opportune. The referee has also personally apologized on his social medias, saying "There is responsibility with making a judgement call, it's because (I) of following the decision that changes to the rules (ruling) can't be made."

After that, the Kespa committee admitted that the referee made a wrong judgement, and there existed problems of not exposing / making public the details of the event, not making a thorough judgement call, and other problems. As such, the committee fined Referee Woo 500,000 won, and removed him from the referee roster of this OSL.

The committee has also apologized to Team KT Rolster / Samsung Khan, (T)Flash, and main coaches Lee and January.


Lol, no apology to Shine. Even the Kespa committee hates him.

Thanks for the translation! Was an interesting read.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10187 Posts
June 27 2012 15:54 GMT
#51
"Referees need to change their attitude"

Anyone else agree with this?
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 27 2012 16:10 GMT
#52
Glad to see Flash recover from such an unfair decision and still kick Shine's ass.
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nonsequitur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 16:37:12
June 27 2012 16:36 GMT
#53
Woah, a fine just for a bad call? I would say that's uncalled (pun unintended) for. You do not see referees having to pay fines out of their own pocket when they make a bad call in sports. The worst that could happen is that they never referee the rest of the tournament or get fired, but never fined.

KESPA should have either just stopped using him for the rest of the tournament or fire him.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 27 2012 17:13 GMT
#54
I lol'ed at Hery being ejected. Coaches from all sports can empathize with him on that one.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 27 2012 17:45 GMT
#55
can anyone explain the use of saved games? i don't understand why they couldn't just unpause the game and let it continue. Or did Shine have to leave the game to change his settings?
blabberrrrr
Nukid
Profile Joined April 2010
United States240 Posts
June 27 2012 18:14 GMT
#56
Congratulation Flash.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
June 27 2012 19:46 GMT
#57
Never seen flash that pissed off... Regame was total bullshit.. woulda been a big issue if flash wasnt so good that he won anyways..
Jaedong.
dr.who
Profile Joined March 2012
Dominican Republic145 Posts
June 27 2012 20:05 GMT
#58
lol flash knocked out shine, kespa and the referee. a true god.
This is the way
humanimal
Profile Joined June 2010
United States151 Posts
June 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#59
On June 28 2012 02:45 blabber wrote:
can anyone explain the use of saved games? i don't understand why they couldn't just unpause the game and let it continue. Or did Shine have to leave the game to change his settings?


+1, I don't understand. Clarification please?

and thanks for the translation :D
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
June 27 2012 20:25 GMT
#60
Why the hell didn't they appologize to SHINE as well? The fuck the kid got so much hate during the pp crap. The delay was not his fault and he deserves an appology as well. KeSPA showing their arrogance as always. BW players deserve better
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