• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:02
CEST 20:02
KST 03:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)8Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over2New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!40Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles5
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) September World Ranking: herO leads, Serral climbs Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles
Tourneys
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly SC2 INu's Battles#20 [BO.9] 2026 GSTL Announcement Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion XUN appreciation thread ASL22 General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS [ASL22] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4722 users

[Interview] OSL Ro8 Flash vs Shine winner - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
June 27 2012 05:03 GMT
#21
Thanks for the interview! Was an entertaining series, even despite the "incident". That's kinda funny coach Henry got dejected hahaha. Sounds like he must have been being a good coach and sticking up for Flash
jaedong imba
S2Glow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Singapore1042 Posts
June 27 2012 05:31 GMT
#22
On June 27 2012 13:30 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 13:26 S2Glow wrote:
i am pretty sure flash is not heavily favored on game 2. just a slight advantage and anything can happen , supply counts just +- 10.


the problem was where the supply was, shine was heavily drone deficient so his supply is unable to increase at the same rate as flash. Most of shine's supply was devoted to his mutas which were unable to do damage because of the turrets (also he suicided them)


yeah i know, flash have the advantage but is not over yet which mean not heavily favored. well i thought he have problem with his computer thats why he didnt micro his mutalisk. hmm , if he did intend to suicide with his muta then is gg for him lol
<3 Katelyn , C Zerg. Dying wish is to watch proleague live and see my girlfriend which gonna be soon! <33
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
June 27 2012 05:42 GMT
#23
On June 27 2012 13:11 4vvhiplash7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 12:55 jidolboy wrote:
After the first match KHAN requested a check and both the referee and the observer verified it.

What's KHAN?
wow it also took about 45min?
Didn't know since VOD was trimmed down to 25min'ish :o


"Samsung KHAN" is Shine's team...


Fuck. LOL Kept thinking Shine was in Woongjin.
How stupid of me :/ Now I feel embarrassed -.-
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 27 2012 05:46 GMT
#24
So Fomos is allowed again?
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 05:52:46
June 27 2012 05:52 GMT
#25
On June 27 2012 14:46 J1.au wrote:
So Fomos is allowed again?


Edit: this came from playsc so it's cool
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
June 27 2012 05:57 GMT
#26
On June 27 2012 14:31 S2Glow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 13:30 kdgns wrote:
On June 27 2012 13:26 S2Glow wrote:
i am pretty sure flash is not heavily favored on game 2. just a slight advantage and anything can happen , supply counts just +- 10.


the problem was where the supply was, shine was heavily drone deficient so his supply is unable to increase at the same rate as flash. Most of shine's supply was devoted to his mutas which were unable to do damage because of the turrets (also he suicided them)


yeah i know, flash have the advantage but is not over yet which mean not heavily favored. well i thought he have problem with his computer thats why he didnt micro his mutalisk. hmm , if he did intend to suicide with his muta then is gg for him lol



Actually I think Flash was heavily favored. To the point that I feel I could've won the game from there.

Shine had two options. Continue to pump mutalisks and hope Flash makes a mistake (moves out too early and loses marines unnecessarily)- to partially level the game.

Or transition into drones. During which time, he would be unable to stop Flash from moving out and rolling him.

At no point in the next 5-10 minutes, could he conceivably hurt Flash's economy or tech tree, and without a matching economy, the game was almost certainly lost.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51689 Posts
June 27 2012 06:09 GMT
#27
Anyone read the KT Coach interview yet? Quite angry.

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=62506
Commentator
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 27 2012 06:13 GMT
#28
On June 27 2012 15:09 GTR wrote:
Anyone read the KT Coach interview yet? Quite angry.

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=62506

You're such a tease GTR^^
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 13:07:14
June 27 2012 11:44 GMT
#29
It seems the referee responsible for the decision has been fined 500k won and barred from refereeing for the remainder of the OSL. KesPA convened some emergency meeting and agreed that a bad call was made, and an apology has been issued to KT, KT's coach Lee, Flash, Samsung Khan and Khan's head coach January.

Source: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_69930.html
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 12:00:55
June 27 2012 11:50 GMT
#30
On June 27 2012 20:44 uriel- wrote:
It seems the referee responsible for the decision has been fined 50k won and barred from refereeing for the remainder of the OSL. KesPA convened some emergency meeting and agreed that a bad call was made, and an apology has been issued to KT, KT's coach Lee, Flash, Samsung Khan and Khan's head coach January.

Source: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_69930.html


I will translate this right now

[image loading]

KeSPA started an emergency referee committee meeting on the 27th, and discussed matters regarding the pause and judgement (re-judgement) in the game between (T)Flash and (Z)Shine on the 26th in the Tving OSL, and has admitted that the referee responsible (Woo ?) had made mistakes in his judgement.

Referee Woo had decided at the time that "the match could be continued after bring out (loading) the save", but then immediately after because the save file didn't respond and encountered technical problems, he thought that continuing the match would be too difficult, so he announced a re-game.

Kespa elevated the issue and had a committee discuss the event, Referee Woo said "When (Z)Shine requested a pause it was possible to give Flash the win, but since the match was already announced to continue, giving (T)Flash the win at that point seemed unreasonable."

But the referee committee thinks, that since a save file problem was confirmed, the game could not be continued, so it should have been judged as a disconnect, so the game would have been paused again, and at this point giving a player the win was more opportune. The referee has also personally apologized on his social medias, saying "There is responsibility with making a judgement call, it's because (I) of following the decision that changes to the rules (ruling) can't be made."

After that, the Kespa committee admitted that the referee made a wrong judgement, and there existed problems of not exposing / making public the details of the event, not making a thorough judgement call, and other problems. As such, the committee fined Referee Woo 500,000 won, and removed him from the referee roster of this OSL.

The committee has also apologized to Team KT Rolster / Samsung Khan, (T)Flash, and main coaches Lee and January.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 12:01 GMT
#31
done with translation
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
June 27 2012 12:06 GMT
#32
I feel sorry for the referee; it was a tough call to make and anyone a bit inexperienced in that situation could easily have made the same call as he did. His punishment seems a bit harsh.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 12:11:24
June 27 2012 12:07 GMT
#33
On June 27 2012 21:06 Birdie wrote:
I feel sorry for the referee; it was a tough call to make and anyone a bit inexperienced in that situation could easily have made the same call as he did. His punishment seems a bit harsh.


yea 500,000 won? i guess flash's say really has some weight
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 27 2012 12:13 GMT
#34
Thanks for the interview. Really happy to see Flash has got his eye on the prize. Hope he puts SC2 on hold for it.

The regame was pretty bad for Shine too, since he prepared an aggressive strategy. He was in a bad situation, but having the game pause right when his muta were under severe fire... That sucks a lot. I guess he didn't have any mouse control or he wouldn't have done that.

I'm surprised they fined the referee tho. Fire or suspend, ok, but fine him money? I didn't know you could do that if you weren't a court lol... I have to admit it was a hard situation for him and obviously influenced by Flash's grievances to his attitude. You really can't be rude to star players like that.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
June 27 2012 12:15 GMT
#35
The fine isn't that much (if I did my conversion right, it's about $500) but firing him is a bit steep in my opinion.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
June 27 2012 12:21 GMT
#36
On June 27 2012 21:15 Birdie wrote:
The fine isn't that much (if I did my conversion right, it's about $500) but firing him is a bit steep in my opinion.


i think you'll find its actually much less than that, 50k won is closer to $50. So not a big fine at all, just a symbolic thing i guess.
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
June 27 2012 12:21 GMT
#37
On June 27 2012 21:13 Chef wrote:
Thanks for the interview. Really happy to see Flash has got his eye on the prize. Hope he puts SC2 on hold for it.

The regame was pretty bad for Shine too, since he prepared an aggressive strategy. He was in a bad situation, but having the game pause right when his muta were under severe fire... That sucks a lot. I guess he didn't have any mouse control or he wouldn't have done that.

I'm surprised they fined the referee tho. Fire or suspend, ok, but fine him money? I didn't know you could do that if you weren't a court lol... I have to admit it was a hard situation for him and obviously influenced by Flash's grievances to his attitude. You really can't be rude to star players like that.

Indeed, it also feels strange that they did it. Who's getting the money? The only one that would make sense would be flash but that would still be weird.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 12:31 GMT
#38
On June 27 2012 21:21 Twelve12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 21:15 Birdie wrote:
The fine isn't that much (if I did my conversion right, it's about $500) but firing him is a bit steep in my opinion.


i think you'll find its actually much less than that, 50k won is closer to $50. So not a big fine at all, just a symbolic thing i guess.


It's 500k won
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 12:31 GMT
#39
On June 27 2012 21:15 Birdie wrote:
The fine isn't that much (if I did my conversion right, it's about $500) but firing him is a bit steep in my opinion.


he didn't get fired, just suspended for this OSL
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 13:23:08
June 27 2012 12:38 GMT
#40
On June 27 2012 21:31 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 21:21 Twelve12 wrote:
On June 27 2012 21:15 Birdie wrote:
The fine isn't that much (if I did my conversion right, it's about $500) but firing him is a bit steep in my opinion.


i think you'll find its actually much less than that, 50k won is closer to $50. So not a big fine at all, just a symbolic thing i guess.


It's 500k won


ah my bad, it said 50k in the OP before :S
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 441
BRAT_OK 57
MindelVK 18
Trap 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 2152
Rush 459
Stork 259
Dewaltoss 119
White-Ra 75
Barracks 69
Sexy 60
Pusan 52
soO 28
sorry 26
[ Show more ]
Terrorterran 21
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5038
qojqva2660
Dendi1813
420jenkins600
Counter-Strike
fl0m1238
x6flipin670
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1742
ceh9616
Hui .137
ArmadaUGS116
KnowMe96
RotterdaM73
Mew2King55
QueenE36
Chillindude21
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV35
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile135
• Berry_CruncH18
• Reevou 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2338
League of Legends
• TFBlade871
Other Games
• imaqtpie873
• Shiphtur307
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 28m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
16h 58m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 15h
Big Brain Bouts
1d 15h
Garitos vs ArT
Lambo vs Percival
TriGGeR vs ByuN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
2 days
Mixu vs TBD
Spirit vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
Patches Events
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.