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On March 24 2012 03:27 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:24 NoDDiE wrote:On March 24 2012 03:19 Sawamura wrote:On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ? Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can play lol really well . This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? . sc2 as name suggest is comparable to sc1 while lol is much diffrent game. sure u can argue that sc1=/=sc2 of course its not exactly same game but still mechanics//blizzard//pro scene are similar. and that way bw is going to be more popular(not dead ?) cause lot of sc2 ppl are going to watch it. and i bet team's are gonna have dedicated sc1//sc2 division so its not gonna affect level of play. for me its win//win situation (i like bw//sc2) for most openminded people. unless you wanna kill bw by strongly rejecting any way to cooperate with those 2 games These notions of killing bw ..... since when does it require other games for bw to survive ? Sc2 is the equivalent of LoL to me it's a RTS game but it isn't starcraft and I have always seen starcraft 2 as Warcraft 3 in Space .
Im slightly annoyed by this (no offense to Sawamura, the statement just happened to rub me the wrong way). Warcraft 3 is actually a very good game, with many innovations and made with fun/interesting gameplay in mind.
And gosh, everytime there are rumors of bad news, there would suddenly be a horde of dudes that i never saw before posting in the BW section o.O And they would unfailingly get into arguments with the regulars. Geez.
Anw regarding the news, this can't be true.. I mean, Kespa can't be THIS stupid. Sure they have been stupid in the past, but that was dubious decision making, not outright stupidity.
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On March 24 2012 03:52 eviltomahawk wrote:
Might as well throw in a few sets of BGH and Warcraft 3.
Yeah, I'd like to see how far they can take this idiocy.
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On March 24 2012 04:03 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ I'm not going to blindly become a fan of a game simply because it has the word "Starcraft" in the title. I don't love Starcraft 2 because I don't find it entertaining to watch. You could also create interesting dynamics by adding in Tetris, or Warcraft 3, or Age of Empires, or cock fighting. That doesn't make the idea a good one.
Fair point, but good Lord there's a lot of hate on both games for no reason, it makes it hard to read TL sometimes.
NEXT SEASON OF PROLEAGUE
Set 1: SC:BW
Set 2: SC2
Set 3: SC1, no patches
Set 4: Tetris
Set 5: Pokemon
Set 6: Mud Wrestling
Ace Match: Yahtzee
You heard it here first
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On March 24 2012 04:04 JohnnyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:00 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:59 JohnnyPG wrote:On March 24 2012 03:58 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:50 JohnnyPG wrote:On March 24 2012 03:48 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 JohnnyPG wrote:On March 24 2012 03:43 1Eris1 wrote:On March 24 2012 03:39 JohnnyPG wrote:On March 24 2012 03:36 SlowBullets wrote:[quote] Ladies and gentlemen, please don't take this troll too seriously. Have a great day.  I agree folks, dont take the guy thats attempting to be unbiased about things opinion over the people that just say, "trolololollol lmfao" because, well that would just be foolish. Obviously the intelligence factor speaks for itself concerning that one. Thanks man, I am actually having a nice day :D Unbiased over opinion you say?...that's funny You say BW is an eyesore but sc2 is not...well guess what? That's a fucking opinion. Personally I think sc2 is a huge eye sore with its god awful units and mechanics. Doesn't make it a fact though. But it also means your statements arent facts, but in fact opinions. Terrible post I just gave what I personally thought were the pros and the cons of each game. That is the complete opposite of bias. If I was biased I would have listed nothing but pros for SC2 and nothing but cons for BW O____O Jesus Christ you BW fanboys are sensitive. Personal opinion = unbias? Jesus Christ you SC2 fanboys are stupid. Interesting, lets just break out the dictionary on this one alright Aristotle? bi·as/ˈbīəs/ Noun: Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. o·pin·ion/əˈpinyən/ Noun: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Not saying my views were based off of strict fact, really were just my opinion. How was anything I posted unfair or excessively favoring another? D: My personal thought on SC2 was that it was a piece of shit. I'm not being biased or something, just posting my personal thought. And to be fair, you are completely entitled to your opinion. I personally love both games, but you dont have to like SC2, that was kind of the entire point I was attempting to make, that both games have good and bad. "Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives. Bias can come in many forms." My opinion was based on my biased point of view. Just to let you know. All I can say to that man, is dont have the balls to sit there and call me out on being biased when I am trying to be equally fair to both(amazing) games, and you readily admit that you are biased and narrow minded(you are entitled to this, but dont step on my feet just because thats your approach) in your approach to it.
What I am saying is that I like watching BW, I do not like watching SC2 (yes, I paid $60 for it and watched MLG several times before I completely gave up). That's my opinion, as it is yours. The problem is you came out that everyone who feel angry about this game is biased b/c they do not like both BW and SC2. Most of us tried out SC2, man. I don't like it.
Also I hope both of you calm down a little, this discussion went along far more than necessary 
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On March 24 2012 04:08 HyruleanTubist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:03 Rostam wrote:On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ I'm not going to blindly become a fan of a game simply because it has the word "Starcraft" in the title. I don't love Starcraft 2 because I don't find it entertaining to watch. You could also create interesting dynamics by adding in Tetris, or Warcraft 3, or Age of Empires, or cock fighting. That doesn't make the idea a good one. Fair point, but good Lord there's a lot of hate on both games for no reason, it makes it hard to read TL sometimes. NEXT SEASON OF PROLEAGUE Set 1: SC:BW Set 2: SC2 Set 3: SC1, no patches Set 4: Tetris Set 5: Pokemon Set 6: Mud Wrestling Ace Match: Yahtzee You heard it here first
I'm looking forward to Yahtzee myself. Anyone else?
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On March 24 2012 03:59 Proseat wrote:
If true, the obvious impetus here is to save the industry (KeSPA, OGN, etc.) that's been established in Korea over the last decade. BW in Korea has ever so slightly been on the decline, there is no point in denying it, what with some of the long standing teams disbanding not long ago and MBC shutting down. So while they're still having a sizable audience, they're now trying to carefully introduce the BW viewership to SC2. And it has to be done, lest OGN follows in the footsteps of MBC. Obviously, mixing BW and SC2 in the same event does not make much sense.
You are right, the problem is that Korea doesnt see SC2 as a real succesor of BW, if they are trying to maximize the life of BW by doing this mix shit, then theres a problem, Koreans watch BW because is part of the culture not because Kespa is there. Anybody in Korea could open a browser, watch GOM tv, and enjoy SC2, they are not doing this not because KT, or SKT1 are not there, they arent watching SC2 because they dont want to.
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Another way to implement it would be to dedicate sets to one game, and each time a team faces each other they play a different game. So say when SKT and IM play in round 1 they both field their BW teams. Then in round 2 they field their SC2 teams. That same night, Slayers is playing KT, and they field their SC2 team, so that way each night there is a match of SC2 and a match of BW. That would be more reasonable for both the teams and the viewing audience.
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On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^
This whole "just love starcraft" thing isn't fooling anybody. Starcraft 2 fans can't claim "it's a different game!" one day and then say "just love STARCRAFT" the next.
everyone knows they're two different games. some people prefer one, others prefer the other. which is okay, just don't try and force people to convert under the paper-thin guise of "starcraft unity," or even "ESPORTS"
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I have zero interest in SC 2 and this rumored new format makes me a bit sad. If they eventually replace BW with SC2, I will just stop following the scene.
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Dumbest thing I've heard in the history of BW. Straight up crackpots making this stuff up
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It's not going to be interesting at all.
Well, it's still better than no BW at all.
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This is a fantastic idea.
I loved the 2GD show with Quake, SC2, Bloodline and DOTA2 and liked the set up of the DreamHack finals with Quake, SSF and then SC2. IEM is also pretty enjoyable with CS, SC2 and LoL.
Be good to get this partnership going.
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Don't see how this would work. But hey, it would get more people to watch BW right? Surely SC2 fans would be watching the BW matches going "Woah.... whats this? Micro? Oh wow... Hey, why aren't the armies shaped like giant amorphous blobs bouncing off each other in the middle? Woah cool..." Until they eventually request every set be BW! :D
I kid, SC2 guys, I kid! But really, I don't see this working. BW and SC2 are related pretty much in name only. If you wanted to make a league called "RTS ATTACK!" and include WC3 and C&C and freaking Alpha Centauri, then thats something else. But these are two completely different games.
(Heres hoping they bring back the ace match in any case! )
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With this format you might as well have the ace match be played as a LoL match between the two teams. I hope this rumor stays that way because if they want to include SC2 in proleague it should be as its own separate thing like SF2.
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...Its not april fools day yet...
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This is so fucking stupid.
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On March 24 2012 04:11 HyruleanTubist wrote:
Another way to implement it would be to dedicate sets to one game, and each time a team faces each other they play a different game. So say when SKT and IM play in round 1 they both field their BW teams. Then in round 2 they field their SC2 teams. That same night, Slayers is playing KT, and they field their SC2 team, so that way each night there is a match of SC2 and a match of BW. That would be more reasonable for both the teams and the viewing audience.
I see no reason to put them together though. Alot of BW Teams(their sponsors) have seperate Special Forces teams as well. I see no reason to group those two together in one league either. Their different games, I don't think it would work it out. Although thats more plausible than alternating sets -_-.
I always assumed the BW teams would open a seperate sc2 team or something if anything. With a couple players moving on to the new teams. Not this O_o. A combined league wouldn't work. The whole setup of a team would be pretty weird as well.
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On March 24 2012 04:11 jellyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ This whole "just love starcraft" thing isn't fooling anybody. Starcraft 2 fans can't claim "it's a different game!" one day and then say "just love STARCRAFT" the next. everyone knows they're two different games. some people prefer one, others prefer the other. which is okay, just don't try and force people to convert under the paper-thin guise of "starcraft unity," or even "ESPORTS"
But...but ESPORTS!
I understand if you don't like one of the games, my friends who started with SC2 can't even look at BW, claiming it an eyesore. Now they do this just to piss me off, but what can I do, they don't like it. I'd still watch this league, even if diehard BW and SC2 fans both won't watch because the other game is involved (they aren't so different, are they).
I might be a little optimistic with the "unify the fanbase" but I can't help myself :p
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On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.
Yeah it's still Koreans stomping foreigners, whichever way you slice it. Only now, with more people who think they're rock-stars because they can show up and come 5th in some LAN.
Also Hyrulean wrote:
But...but ESPORTS!
Look, I realise you mean well, but if you say "ESPORTS" or "killing ESPORTS" or "This is so good for ESPORTS" in here, it is going to make you severely unpopular. That whole meme thing spread like an epidemic with the arrival of SC2-ers on this site.
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On March 24 2012 04:14 MVTaylor wrote:
This is a fantastic idea.
I loved the 2GD show with Quake, SC2, Bloodline and DOTA2 and liked the set up of the DreamHack finals with Quake, SSF and then SC2. IEM is also pretty enjoyable with CS, SC2 and LoL.
Be good to get this partnership going.
The thing is that is incredibly different man. Those were separate showmatches with different teams. Under this system by combining the two different games the results are going to be all across the board. It's a water-downed product.
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