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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 05 2012 03:58 GMT
#21
On January 05 2012 12:52 nightss wrote:
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Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?


sorry, i am quite new to broodwar scene. Could you explain what happened? somebody left during the countdown by accident was giving a gg?


The countdown was going on to start the game, and Ruby accidentally left the game lobby, so he was forfeited.
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
January 05 2012 04:22 GMT
#22
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
January 05 2012 04:28 GMT
#23
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?
im gay
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
January 05 2012 04:41 GMT
#24
On January 04 2012 19:54 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:


probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]

I was inspired to dig up the LR thread



Wow, if only the LR threads of today were anywhere nearly as nice as those. It is only 15 pages too! I wish I had found this site earlier than I did, anymore it is crazy in here. Already past 300000 threads.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 04:52:05
January 05 2012 04:50 GMT
#25
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D


On January 05 2012 13:41 Rkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 19:54 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]

I was inspired to dig up the LR thread



Wow, if only the LR threads of today were anywhere nearly as nice as those. It is only 15 pages too! I wish I had found this site earlier than I did, anymore it is crazy in here. Already past 300000 threads.


BW LR threads has always been this way, just nowadays it's a little crowded.

SC2 LR threads on the other hand is a different story altogether.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 04:56:32
January 05 2012 04:56 GMT
#26
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


yeah man I totally agree. Gotta watch for those signals real close. TWO flash twitches means he's going to do a blind 14cc; but THREE twitches means he is going to play legitly. Also dying your hair yellow means you arranged for your opponent to two-gate you.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 05 2012 05:02 GMT
#27
Let's not forget the GoRush incident, where he experimented with the a-button.

KeSPA for power rank.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 05 2012 05:14 GMT
#28
On January 05 2012 13:50 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D



responses are hostile because match-fixing is a delicate subject, and any allegations or hints of allegations are serious business D:
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
January 05 2012 05:22 GMT
#29
Leta/Gorush type brazen player abuse is behind them. Actually, it was a pretty brief period when they had those strict rules. There used to be basically no chat moderation and multiple ear/eyehacks before soundproof booths (and some even with them). They went too far in the other direction with regards to pp and gg (although if you gg wrong, nobody cares since you lost anyway). We're basically back in the sane world and any KeSPA hate will either have to do with free agency or just people not being able to bury the hatchet. Team 8 exists. I think KeSPA is doing a fine job.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 05:33:37
January 05 2012 05:31 GMT
#30
Nobody cares, but the penalty points can still make a difference in the standings. I remember seeing somewhere that CJ would have been in an entirely difference place in one of the proleague playoffs if they didn't have a penalty point (which sAviOr got them, I believe)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65039&currentpage=50#982

Here it is, they would have been tied for 2nd with MBC but because of a penalty point they had to play OGN.

So gg'ing wrong, even though it shouldn't make a difference and noone besides kespa really cares, does matter.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
January 05 2012 05:43 GMT
#31
Lol, hating on Kespa, all is well in BW.
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Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
January 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#32
On January 05 2012 14:22 oBlade wrote:
Leta/Gorush type brazen player abuse is behind them. Actually, it was a pretty brief period when they had those strict rules. There used to be basically no chat moderation and multiple ear/eyehacks before soundproof booths (and some even with them). They went too far in the other direction with regards to pp and gg (although if you gg wrong, nobody cares since you lost anyway). We're basically back in the sane world and any KeSPA hate will either have to do with free agency or just people not being able to bury the hatchet. Team 8 exists. I think KeSPA is doing a fine job.

Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
January 05 2012 05:52 GMT
#33
On January 05 2012 12:52 nightss wrote:
Show nested quote +


Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?


sorry, i am quite new to broodwar scene. Could you explain what happened? somebody left during the countdown by accident was giving a gg?


He left during countdown, which starts the game. so he got dq'ed
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
January 05 2012 05:59 GMT
#34
On January 05 2012 14:45 Kanil wrote:
Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?

As a Ruby (ACE) fan I was really looking forward to yet another clash between him and Flash, but shit happens. There seem to has been an increase in general tech malfunctions lately in BW, and I think they've all been handled with grace, the calling of ppp included. If you don't count a loss for someone leaving the game after it's started, here's what will happen (it won't happen often, I'm not trying to make a slippery slope, but it'll be possible that this happens): fantasy is up against someone in OSL final again and iloveoov has a day off from the military. He says hey fantasy, do a fake disconnect during countdown. Tell them it was an accident. Jaedong will flip his shit. Both players have a right to know what to expect from refs during a match.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
January 05 2012 06:16 GMT
#35
On January 05 2012 14:59 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 14:45 Kanil wrote:
Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?

As a Ruby (ACE) fan I was really looking forward to yet another clash between him and Flash, but shit happens. There seem to has been an increase in general tech malfunctions lately in BW, and I think they've all been handled with grace, the calling of ppp included. If you don't count a loss for someone leaving the game after it's started, here's what will happen (it won't happen often, I'm not trying to make a slippery slope, but it'll be possible that this happens): fantasy is up against someone in OSL final again and iloveoov has a day off from the military. He says hey fantasy, do a fake disconnect during countdown. Tell them it was an accident. Jaedong will flip his shit. Both players have a right to know what to expect from refs during a match.

Why would Jaedong flip his shit because the lobby needs to be rehosted? RMSN isn't really going to freak anyone out, is it?
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
January 05 2012 07:58 GMT
#36
It's hyperbole. The point is it has a nonzero effect. Things outside of the game that aren't supposed to happen fuck with players in high pressure situations. Flash from the power outage is the most obvious example, but maybe not the most salient. In 12 years, one guy accidentally escaped from the lobby. And as per the rules, leaving the game is a loss. Compare Ruby to all the people who have been and can be effected by malfunctions and the pause rules. Even if the Ruby decision weren't unfair, it doesn't matter much because I guarantee it's the last time anyone will ESC from the countdown.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 09:26:20
January 05 2012 09:23 GMT
#37
On January 04 2012 18:58 Skytalker wrote:
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On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.

that was so fucking retarded

even more stupid than when someone is DQed for accidentally typing "a", or accidentally pausing the game. i cannot fathom how stupid people can be, especially cos "pp" itself means "pause please". also, let's monitor blacked out, how was he meant to know what happened?
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 05 2012 09:52 GMT
#38
Kespa has some pretty down's syndrome rules.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 11:40:06
January 05 2012 11:38 GMT
#39
On January 05 2012 14:14 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:50 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D



responses are hostile because match-fixing is a delicate subject, and any allegations or hints of allegations are serious business D:


I sure it is. That's why there is a big 'what if'. It happened before so what are the chance that it won't happen in the future? I am just saying that these circumstances can be used for devious agendas.

And, like I said, I wasn't implying that the players who were involved in the said circumstances were actually match-fixing O.o
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
January 05 2012 12:35 GMT
#40
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...
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