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brafix
Profile Joined August 2010
United States37 Posts
January 04 2012 09:02 GMT
#1
So I'm wondering what these penalty points are in Proleague, and what their function is. From what I've been able to tell with no understanding of Korean, you earn penalties for doing things such as exiting a game with a phrase other than gg. Other than that, I have no idea how they function, if they negatively impact ranking or cause some sort of consequence if too many are earned.

From the English KeSPA site: Proleague Penalty Points Calculation Standards: 2 [Cautions] = 1 [Warning] = 1 Penalty Point

According to KeSPA, so far in 11-12, there are 2 warnings, one happening on 11/29 and one on 12/17.

The first happens in this game between Crazy-Hydra and Killer. notice how Killer gg's at the end.

The second is for a reason I can't seem to figure out. Google translate leads me to believe it is something due to a delay of game, but I can't be sure.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
January 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#2
[image loading]

You could make an interesting thread trying to collect all the weird Kespa rulings over the years.

The Backho stuff is weird:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/BackHo#Controversy

Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 04 2012 09:11 GMT
#3
Bisu always ㅎㅎ's lol
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 04 2012 09:27 GMT
#4
lol i never knew it was so strict
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
January 04 2012 09:36 GMT
#5


probably the worst thing kespa ever did
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
January 04 2012 09:39 GMT
#6
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 09:55:32
January 04 2012 09:54 GMT
#7
The second warning is for SKT, for being 25mins late for the match on 17th Dec. I guess Kespa requires teams to report at the match venue by a certain time and SKT was late.
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
January 04 2012 09:55 GMT
#8
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.
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Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 10:00:35
January 04 2012 09:58 GMT
#9
On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.
Jaedong HWAITING!
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
January 04 2012 10:18 GMT
#10
their response afterwards was pretty cool though, they made fun of themselves in an event allstar match by having leta parody the situation acting all pissed and stuff felt happy that they admitted they fucked up pretty badly like that
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sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 04 2012 10:19 GMT
#11
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]


What happened?
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
January 04 2012 10:49 GMT
#12
On January 04 2012 19:19 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]


What happened?


this:
On January 04 2012 18:58 Skytalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.

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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
January 04 2012 10:54 GMT
#13
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]

I was inspired to dig up the LR thread
brood war for life, brood war forever
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
January 04 2012 11:28 GMT
#14
Wait, they gave a loss for "pp" instead of "ppp"? WTF. I begin to understand the hatred people have for kespa.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 04 2012 12:25 GMT
#15
On January 04 2012 19:49 onlinerobbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 19:19 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]


What happened?


this:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:58 Skytalker wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.



Thanks. My God, KeSPA are idiots sometimes
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
January 04 2012 12:56 GMT
#16
yeah sure but also:
On January 04 2012 19:18 rotinegg wrote:
their response afterwards was pretty cool though, they made fun of themselves in an event allstar match by having leta parody the situation acting all pissed and stuff felt happy that they admitted they fucked up pretty badly like that

so they knew it was stupid and corrected it by changing the rule a bit


ps. I'm quoting way too much today, read the whole thread guys! ^^
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 05 2012 03:19 GMT
#17
On January 04 2012 19:49 onlinerobbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 19:19 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]


What happened?


this:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:58 Skytalker wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.



holy crap. i never knew it was possible to be that retarded.
XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
January 05 2012 03:25 GMT
#18
Proleague is even more fun when all the fans have a common enemy, not just Bisu.

+ Show Spoiler +
That is, if you're not an SKT fan.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 03:32:50
January 05 2012 03:32 GMT
#19
On January 05 2012 12:25 XXGeneration wrote:
Proleague is even more fun when all the fans have a common enemy, not just Bisu.

+ Show Spoiler +
That is, if you're not an SKT fan.

STX? Anyone? Just me? Oh well TT EDIT Oh wait you said enemy, I thought you mean disliking of
Man, I remember watching the vod of Kal vs Leta, and Ruby vs Flash
I almost pulled out my hair seeing what happened, and how Ruby wouldn't be given a rematch, and the pp
Atleast it gave us a little something to laugh at last years All Stars
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
nightss
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia87 Posts
January 05 2012 03:52 GMT
#20


Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?


sorry, i am quite new to broodwar scene. Could you explain what happened? somebody left during the countdown by accident was giving a gg?
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 05 2012 03:58 GMT
#21
On January 05 2012 12:52 nightss wrote:
Show nested quote +


Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?


sorry, i am quite new to broodwar scene. Could you explain what happened? somebody left during the countdown by accident was giving a gg?


The countdown was going on to start the game, and Ruby accidentally left the game lobby, so he was forfeited.
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
January 05 2012 04:22 GMT
#22
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
January 05 2012 04:28 GMT
#23
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?
im gay
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
January 05 2012 04:41 GMT
#24
On January 04 2012 19:54 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]

I was inspired to dig up the LR thread



Wow, if only the LR threads of today were anywhere nearly as nice as those. It is only 15 pages too! I wish I had found this site earlier than I did, anymore it is crazy in here. Already past 300000 threads.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 04:52:05
January 05 2012 04:50 GMT
#25
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D


On January 05 2012 13:41 Rkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 19:54 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:39 Crunchums wrote:
On January 04 2012 18:36 Ideas wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vom3QXpr6M

probably the worst thing kespa ever did

oh my god i was SO FUCKING PISSED when that happened [image loading]

I was inspired to dig up the LR thread



Wow, if only the LR threads of today were anywhere nearly as nice as those. It is only 15 pages too! I wish I had found this site earlier than I did, anymore it is crazy in here. Already past 300000 threads.


BW LR threads has always been this way, just nowadays it's a little crowded.

SC2 LR threads on the other hand is a different story altogether.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 04:56:32
January 05 2012 04:56 GMT
#26
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


yeah man I totally agree. Gotta watch for those signals real close. TWO flash twitches means he's going to do a blind 14cc; but THREE twitches means he is going to play legitly. Also dying your hair yellow means you arranged for your opponent to two-gate you.
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 05 2012 05:02 GMT
#27
Let's not forget the GoRush incident, where he experimented with the a-button.

KeSPA for power rank.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 05 2012 05:14 GMT
#28
On January 05 2012 13:50 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D



responses are hostile because match-fixing is a delicate subject, and any allegations or hints of allegations are serious business D:
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5585 Posts
January 05 2012 05:22 GMT
#29
Leta/Gorush type brazen player abuse is behind them. Actually, it was a pretty brief period when they had those strict rules. There used to be basically no chat moderation and multiple ear/eyehacks before soundproof booths (and some even with them). They went too far in the other direction with regards to pp and gg (although if you gg wrong, nobody cares since you lost anyway). We're basically back in the sane world and any KeSPA hate will either have to do with free agency or just people not being able to bury the hatchet. Team 8 exists. I think KeSPA is doing a fine job.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 05:33:37
January 05 2012 05:31 GMT
#30
Nobody cares, but the penalty points can still make a difference in the standings. I remember seeing somewhere that CJ would have been in an entirely difference place in one of the proleague playoffs if they didn't have a penalty point (which sAviOr got them, I believe)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65039&currentpage=50#982

Here it is, they would have been tied for 2nd with MBC but because of a penalty point they had to play OGN.

So gg'ing wrong, even though it shouldn't make a difference and noone besides kespa really cares, does matter.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
January 05 2012 05:43 GMT
#31
Lol, hating on Kespa, all is well in BW.
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Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
January 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#32
On January 05 2012 14:22 oBlade wrote:
Leta/Gorush type brazen player abuse is behind them. Actually, it was a pretty brief period when they had those strict rules. There used to be basically no chat moderation and multiple ear/eyehacks before soundproof booths (and some even with them). They went too far in the other direction with regards to pp and gg (although if you gg wrong, nobody cares since you lost anyway). We're basically back in the sane world and any KeSPA hate will either have to do with free agency or just people not being able to bury the hatchet. Team 8 exists. I think KeSPA is doing a fine job.

Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?
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MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
January 05 2012 05:52 GMT
#33
On January 05 2012 12:52 nightss wrote:
Show nested quote +


Though my favourite is Ruby leaving the game during the countdown against Flash and losing before even playing. Can you blame him?


sorry, i am quite new to broodwar scene. Could you explain what happened? somebody left during the countdown by accident was giving a gg?


He left during countdown, which starts the game. so he got dq'ed
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5585 Posts
January 05 2012 05:59 GMT
#34
On January 05 2012 14:45 Kanil wrote:
Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?

As a Ruby (ACE) fan I was really looking forward to yet another clash between him and Flash, but shit happens. There seem to has been an increase in general tech malfunctions lately in BW, and I think they've all been handled with grace, the calling of ppp included. If you don't count a loss for someone leaving the game after it's started, here's what will happen (it won't happen often, I'm not trying to make a slippery slope, but it'll be possible that this happens): fantasy is up against someone in OSL final again and iloveoov has a day off from the military. He says hey fantasy, do a fake disconnect during countdown. Tell them it was an accident. Jaedong will flip his shit. Both players have a right to know what to expect from refs during a match.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
January 05 2012 06:16 GMT
#35
On January 05 2012 14:59 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 14:45 Kanil wrote:
Ruby wasn't that far ago. Surely that's not far removed from Leta/GoRush?

As a Ruby (ACE) fan I was really looking forward to yet another clash between him and Flash, but shit happens. There seem to has been an increase in general tech malfunctions lately in BW, and I think they've all been handled with grace, the calling of ppp included. If you don't count a loss for someone leaving the game after it's started, here's what will happen (it won't happen often, I'm not trying to make a slippery slope, but it'll be possible that this happens): fantasy is up against someone in OSL final again and iloveoov has a day off from the military. He says hey fantasy, do a fake disconnect during countdown. Tell them it was an accident. Jaedong will flip his shit. Both players have a right to know what to expect from refs during a match.

Why would Jaedong flip his shit because the lobby needs to be rehosted? RMSN isn't really going to freak anyone out, is it?
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5585 Posts
January 05 2012 07:58 GMT
#36
It's hyperbole. The point is it has a nonzero effect. Things outside of the game that aren't supposed to happen fuck with players in high pressure situations. Flash from the power outage is the most obvious example, but maybe not the most salient. In 12 years, one guy accidentally escaped from the lobby. And as per the rules, leaving the game is a loss. Compare Ruby to all the people who have been and can be effected by malfunctions and the pause rules. Even if the Ruby decision weren't unfair, it doesn't matter much because I guarantee it's the last time anyone will ESC from the countdown.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 09:26:20
January 05 2012 09:23 GMT
#37
On January 04 2012 18:58 Skytalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 18:55 zobz wrote:
^What exactly is it that happened? Leta typed pp correctly.


He wrote pp instead of "ppp", KESPA disqualified him and gave the win to Kal.

They later changed the rule to typing any multiple of "p" allowed for requesting a paus.

that was so fucking retarded

even more stupid than when someone is DQed for accidentally typing "a", or accidentally pausing the game. i cannot fathom how stupid people can be, especially cos "pp" itself means "pause please". also, let's monitor blacked out, how was he meant to know what happened?
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 05 2012 09:52 GMT
#38
Kespa has some pretty down's syndrome rules.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 11:40:06
January 05 2012 11:38 GMT
#39
On January 05 2012 14:14 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:50 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D



responses are hostile because match-fixing is a delicate subject, and any allegations or hints of allegations are serious business D:


I sure it is. That's why there is a big 'what if'. It happened before so what are the chance that it won't happen in the future? I am just saying that these circumstances can be used for devious agendas.

And, like I said, I wasn't implying that the players who were involved in the said circumstances were actually match-fixing O.o
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
January 05 2012 12:35 GMT
#40
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...
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shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
January 05 2012 13:08 GMT
#41
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...

Woah. That is older beyond what I've ever heard of, at least. Lol.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 13:19:39
January 05 2012 13:18 GMT
#42
On January 05 2012 14:14 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 13:50 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:28 whatusername wrote:
On January 05 2012 13:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
In my honest opinion. Having strict rules could be beneficial. I mean what if, JUST WHAT IF, those unforseen events like leaving the lobby, or ppp, or whatever; They are signalling someone and the player/player involved are in league with match-fixers. Not implying that Ruby or anyone involved in those events in the past were actually matchfixing but it's not really a far-fetched thought.

Hell, Savior fixed matches and he was good and had money compared to the current lower A-teamers.


......what? Are you high?


Like I said, 'JUST WHAT IF?' :D



responses are hostile because match-fixing is a delicate subject, and any allegations or hints of allegations are serious business D:

Or because he's saying that disqualifying Leta for a 'pp' or GoRush for an 'a' is even possibly ok because match fixers would use the least subtle and most publicized communication channels possible - one that is also clearly recorded. Of course that begs the question how they knew about the signals in the first place (one would assume they were able to send this message out without the use of national television), and then say it's not a far-fetched idea. Yeah, he might be high.

On January 05 2012 22:08 shucklesors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...

Woah. That is older beyond what I've ever heard of, at least. Lol.

Happens in all the show matches like the ones before PL finals. Wish they'd have more show matches/tournaments, haven't had a good one in a long time.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
January 05 2012 17:48 GMT
#43
You can watch starcraft for epic chats though that you can actually read.
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Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
January 05 2012 19:26 GMT
#44
um back to the question, SKT got a warning because they were late to the studio to play the game...
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MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
January 05 2012 21:04 GMT
#45
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:
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MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
January 05 2012 21:08 GMT
#46
On January 06 2012 06:04 MiraKul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:


I think boxer was one of the main reasons chatting got taken out
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#47
I really like how strict they are about (no) chat, and would like such level of strictness to be reinforced in all serious tournaments, in SC2 as well.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10158 Posts
January 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#48
Ruby leaving the game was SO funny. though stupid...

Leta vs Kal = WTF YO?

Killer vs soO = Seriously need to change some rulings.

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jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
January 05 2012 22:13 GMT
#49
On January 06 2012 04:26 Bisu-Fan wrote:
um back to the question, SKT got a warning because they were late to the studio to play the game...


shoulda get dq'd and automatically lose 0-3 imo (or 0-4 if it was last season)
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
January 05 2012 22:47 GMT
#50
The PP incident lol.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 05 2012 23:36 GMT
#51
On January 06 2012 06:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Ruby leaving the game was SO funny. though stupid...

Leta vs Kal = WTF YO?

Killer vs soO = Seriously need to change some rulings.



what happened in the killer game?
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SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
January 05 2012 23:57 GMT
#52
On January 06 2012 08:36 29 fps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 06:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Ruby leaving the game was SO funny. though stupid...

Leta vs Kal = WTF YO?

Killer vs soO = Seriously need to change some rulings.



what happened in the killer game?

iirc He paused without saying pp(p) and lost the game
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 06 2012 00:59 GMT
#53
On January 06 2012 06:08 MageKirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 06:04 MiraKul wrote:
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:


I think boxer was one of the main reasons chatting got taken out

I'll go one better, this is the game that got chatting taken out:


Apparently, Junitoss (who had nerve issues) got freaked out when boxer said "my base is too small T_T" and scouted everywhere for proxies etc and eventually self destructed.
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Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 01:41:05
January 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#54
On January 05 2012 22:08 shucklesors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...

Woah. That is older beyond what I've ever heard of, at least. Lol.

I remember this too, best one I saw was back when Stork was good (?!), I can't remember who it was but the player, I think it was T, was winning and in the chat went "Mom, I'm beating Stork!!!" and everyone in the audience and the casters freaked out. Best part was, if my memory serves me right, that the game wasn't entirely over so there was still a vague chance of a come back - it was a really ballsy move but it worked out and the player won the game, such things used to add at least some personality to the more crazy players.

Edit: Wow pretty much everything I wrote was wrong, lol. I found the VOD, it's Sea vs Stork in the '08 All Stars Games, in which chatting was allowed, so not really that old. Oh and the game really was over as well. To add insult to injury, there wasn't that much of a ruckus when he typed it either. Oh, memory, why must you be so much better than the reality? Features young Artosis at 20:58, and the phrase at 07:19

Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 02:05:33
January 06 2012 02:00 GMT
#55
Nevermind, I'm wrong. Sorry.
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 02:43:14
January 06 2012 02:40 GMT
#56
On January 06 2012 09:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 06:08 MageKirby wrote:
On January 06 2012 06:04 MiraKul wrote:
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:


I think boxer was one of the main reasons chatting got taken out

I'll go one better, this is the game that got chatting taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6IQdWfhf8&feature=player_embedded

Apparently, Junitoss (who had nerve issues) got freaked out when boxer said "my base is too small T_T" and scouted everywhere for proxies etc and eventually self destructed.

i like junitoss' 15% winrate. guy was the biggest dud of broodwar imo. should have just stayed as a practice partner.

why must chatting be taken out just because of the weak minded? T_T
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 03:00:52
January 06 2012 02:58 GMT
#57
On January 06 2012 11:40 Motivate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 09:59 Plexa wrote:
On January 06 2012 06:08 MageKirby wrote:
On January 06 2012 06:04 MiraKul wrote:
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:


I think boxer was one of the main reasons chatting got taken out

I'll go one better, this is the game that got chatting taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6IQdWfhf8&feature=player_embedded

Apparently, Junitoss (who had nerve issues) got freaked out when boxer said "my base is too small T_T" and scouted everywhere for proxies etc and eventually self destructed.

i like junitoss' 15% winrate. guy was the biggest dud of broodwar imo. should have just stayed as a practice partner.


Junitoss seems pretty good compared to the true failure of BW. The biggest dud of Broodwar will always be (P)PokJu.

Watch the VOD of his final proleague game, if you dare.
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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
January 06 2012 03:22 GMT
#58
looks like kespa permabanned mbcstudios finally for power outage trololol
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 23:11:01
January 06 2012 23:10 GMT
#59
On January 05 2012 14:43 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Lol, hating on Kespa, all is well in BW.


I agree, I was starting get depressed with all this pro-Kespa stuff. Need some good old fashion, Kespa hate. That Leta thing was beyond ridiculous.

On January 06 2012 09:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 06:08 MageKirby wrote:
On January 06 2012 06:04 MiraKul wrote:
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...


You made me laughed. lolol ;D
Too bad there arent many showmatches around. D:


I think boxer was one of the main reasons chatting got taken out

I'll go one better, this is the game that got chatting taken out:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6IQdWfhf8&feature=player_embedded


Apparently, Junitoss (who had nerve issues) got freaked out when boxer said "my base is too small T_T" and scouted everywhere for proxies etc and eventually self destructed.


I was going to ask if Boxer was the one leading the charge to get rid of talking because I couldn't imagine Boxer bm'ing. But I see it was more the mind games he played. Man, you got to love Boxer's creativity in using his available tools.
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icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
January 06 2012 23:36 GMT
#60
Nal_ra gets DQ'ed

This all reminds me of good olde Kang Min! No matter what he does, I like him...
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 07 2012 02:01 GMT
#61
On January 07 2012 08:36 icclown wrote:
Nal_ra gets DQ'ed

This all reminds me of good olde Kang Min! No matter what he does, I like him...


I always loved his face right after he failsauced. Like, he looks like a puppy dog that got caught doing something stupid and everyone else looks mad as hell. =D

Also the enemy team silently giggling.. <3 Nal_rA
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
January 07 2012 02:52 GMT
#62
On January 06 2012 10:16 Warfie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 22:08 shucklesors wrote:
On January 05 2012 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I miss players being able to chat during the games. At the heroic time, players would often say "hi" "hi" when their scout would meet half way through the map. That kind of things brought warm and humanity to the game...

Woah. That is older beyond what I've ever heard of, at least. Lol.

I remember this too, best one I saw was back when Stork was good (?!), I can't remember who it was but the player, I think it was T, was winning and in the chat went "Mom, I'm beating Stork!!!" and everyone in the audience and the casters freaked out. Best part was, if my memory serves me right, that the game wasn't entirely over so there was still a vague chance of a come back - it was a really ballsy move but it worked out and the player won the game, such things used to add at least some personality to the more crazy players.

Edit: Wow pretty much everything I wrote was wrong, lol. I found the VOD, it's Sea vs Stork in the '08 All Stars Games, in which chatting was allowed, so not really that old. Oh and the game really was over as well. To add insult to injury, there wasn't that much of a ruckus when he typed it either. Oh, memory, why must you be so much better than the reality? Features young Artosis at 20:58, and the phrase at 07:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idtq9NKyopo


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