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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
February 14 2012 05:30 GMT
#501
I'm inclined to say at most CBNC for Brave. I'm not a huge fan of giving a player a spot just because they can snipe on a particular map or against a particular race, or anything like that. Not to say I dislike dedicated snipers because I've liked plenty of them over the years, but Brave needs to show more than that before I'd be interested in ranking him.


Statwise Brave looks pretty damn scary. Over 60% in both PvZ and PvP, and not sure where this sniper is coming from since he is playing both P and Z and winning. His vT record seems shitty but the sample size is really low and he hasn't played it much recently. Not sold on Brave but I think he is a player to watch out for.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
February 14 2012 05:30 GMT
#502
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
February 14 2012 05:48 GMT
#503
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side


Source ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:50:54
February 14 2012 05:50 GMT
#504
On February 14 2012 14:48 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side


Source ?


the closest i've seen to a good source is "some sc2 team coach said so"
Free Palestine
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
February 14 2012 05:53 GMT
#505
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


don't worry man, R3 is gonna bring it out from everyone.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
February 14 2012 05:54 GMT
#506
On February 14 2012 14:50 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:48 Sawamura wrote:
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side


Source ?


the closest i've seen to a good source is "some sc2 team coach said so"


You mean this thread ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305783 Got shut down pretty quickly like the thread where Coffee toss aka Trap made with the title " Everyone should play a little sc2 " .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
ggggbabybabybaby
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada304 Posts
February 14 2012 06:24 GMT
#507
In case anyone is interested and too lazy to look back, here's JD's writeup from August 2008 when he was put back on to PR and not removed until now.

Even with his horrible, horrible series against Rock, Jaedong is 21-6 since June, and he just made his first OSL. Remembering his games of past and looking at his games of present has led me to two conclusions: his ZvT is world-class, and his ZvP needs work. And for once, the statistics support my opinion! Jaedong’s winning percentages by matchup are as follows: 66.67% ZvT, 78.26% ZvZ, and a mere 50% ZvP. Does Jaedong have what it takes to overcome an OSL-caliber Protoss? Or with only two Protosses currently in the OSL (and the potential for only two more), will he even have to worry about them?
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 14 2012 06:46 GMT
#508
On February 14 2012 14:27 L_Master wrote:
You still don't sound 100% sold on Soulkey. This surprises me.


There are some blemishes in Soulkey's history. For example, statistically ZvZ is his strongest match-up with almost 66% wins. At a glance, this result looks absolutely frightening. If we are to consider a standard format 16 man tournament (group stage -> bo3 -> bo5 -> bo5 final), then with that win rate on average you are making it to the semifinal. The earliest you could possibly fall out and still maintain that win percentage is the Ro8 by going 3-0 in the group and 1-2 in the Ro8. In other words, looking at statistics alone, if we were to hold a Zerg player only tournament with 16 people, Soulkey would be a safe bet to get a medal.

But here's the anomaly. If we look at Soulkey's match history, he has played in a ZvZ series on 6 separate occasions, and each time he has lost the series. 0-6. There are other inconsistencies as well.

On February 14 2012 14:30 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm inclined to say at most CBNC for Brave. I'm not a huge fan of giving a player a spot just because they can snipe on a particular map or against a particular race, or anything like that. Not to say I dislike dedicated snipers because I've liked plenty of them over the years, but Brave needs to show more than that before I'd be interested in ranking him.


Statwise Brave looks pretty damn scary. Over 60% in both PvZ and PvP, and not sure where this sniper is coming from since he is playing both P and Z and winning. His vT record seems shitty but the sample size is really low and he hasn't played it much recently. Not sold on Brave but I think he is a player to watch out for.


When you look at the caliber opponent Brave has faced, 60% isn't quite as scary as all that. And the reason Brave has not played PvT recently is that he is playing maps where Terran are not as frequently sent out. Basically, he's dodging.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
February 14 2012 07:11 GMT
#509
I feel like turn's success should be rewarded with the place over bisu. He has been solid but "rookie mistake" prone, whereas Bisu has been disappointing.
☺
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
February 14 2012 07:34 GMT
#510
I'll be honest. I never exptected JD to just fall out of the power rank. He's such a dominating player u know?

........... BRING DAT SHEEP BACK ALREADY!!!

Flash #1. No complaints
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7903 Posts
February 14 2012 10:10 GMT
#511
Hard to judge anything with one game a week per player, to be honest.

Does anybody know when the next OSL is supposed to start? That will make the power rank much more substantial. Agree with everything even if JD out of the PR is really sad.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 14 2012 11:13 GMT
#512
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side

If you haven't got a reliable source, don't state that as though it's a fact.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
February 14 2012 12:46 GMT
#513
So Khan's 3 players on the PR this month are quite justified.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 13:10:26
February 14 2012 13:09 GMT
#514
On February 14 2012 20:13 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side

If you haven't got a reliable source, don't state that as though it's a fact.

since when does he state that? november?
FTD
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 14 2012 13:45 GMT
#515
On February 14 2012 21:46 Crisium wrote:
So Khan's 3 players on the PR this month are quite justified.

Oh how Flamewheel must clap his hands together at the result today, hah,

would've been better if turn had won set 3 and stats won set 4 :p
In the woods, there lurks..
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
February 14 2012 14:29 GMT
#516
Wow, I just realized Fantasy has never been number 1 on power rank, ever. Actually, that's not so shocking.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 14 2012 15:38 GMT
#517
On February 14 2012 23:29 Count9 wrote:
Wow, I just realized Fantasy has never been number 1 on power rank, ever. Actually, that's not so shocking.

the real kong line
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
February 14 2012 16:27 GMT
#518
I feel like someone should point out that TurN's a second year player (at least), not a rookie.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
February 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#519
On February 14 2012 22:45 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 21:46 Crisium wrote:
So Khan's 3 players on the PR this month are quite justified.

Oh how Flamewheel must clap his hands together at the result today, hah,

would've been better if turn had won set 3 and stats won set 4 :p


cause if turn won set 3 there would've been a set 4 right? ;p
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
February 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#520
On February 14 2012 22:09 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 20:13 Holgerius wrote:
On February 14 2012 14:30 Milkis wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:52 flamewheel wrote:
This season is just ugly. Match quality has been so much lower than that of previous years.


cause they're practicing sc2 in the side

If you haven't got a reliable source, don't state that as though it's a fact.

since when does he state that? november?


yeah because i just clearly make this shit up just to annoy you guys

seriously, what makes you think i'm lying? what makes you think i'd keep mentioning it if i didn't have a good source for it or heard from enough people?
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