EPTJaedong... well, TBH he really SHOULD be 2-4 this round with how he played vs Flying. That game was an abomination and not just for the drone block either. Any competent PvZer would have won that. Not to mention the Ssak win was a 5 pool and he almost tripped himself up by rallying his reinforcements, which you cannot do in those positions on that map (because they try to run to the mineral base instead). That said, his game against Modesty was just spectacular. JvZ. I'm inclined to say CBNC for Jaedong as well. To be brutally honest, Jaedong had 1 spectacular game, 2 meh, and 3 bad games. I don't see how Jaedong can squeeze onto the ranking without getting some serious favoritism sent his way.
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Jaedong... well, TBH he really SHOULD be 2-4 this round with how he played vs Flying. That game was an abomination and not just for the drone block either. Any competent PvZer would have won that. Not to mention the Ssak win was a 5 pool and he almost tripped himself up by rallying his reinforcements, which you cannot do in those positions on that map (because they try to run to the mineral base instead). That said, his game against Modesty was just spectacular. JvZ. I'm inclined to say CBNC for Jaedong as well. To be brutally honest, Jaedong had 1 spectacular game, 2 meh, and 3 bad games. I don't see how Jaedong can squeeze onto the ranking without getting some serious favoritism sent his way. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
I'm around but won't be done before R3 starts oops. | ||
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On February 12 2012 11:50 flamewheel wrote: ~ .~ I'm around but won't be done before R3 starts oops. You have 7 minutes, gogogo.  | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 12 2012 11:42 Mortality wrote: I'm inclined to say at most CBNC for Brave. I'm not a huge fan of giving a player a spot just because they can snipe on a particular map or against a particular race, or anything like that. Not to say I dislike dedicated snipers because I've liked plenty of them over the years, but Brave needs to show more than that before I'd be interested in ranking him. How much more can he show? This isn't the old days when there are gazillion PL games coupled with OSL/MSL play. Samsung Khan played 7 games this round he played 5 times. I don't know if he deserves top 10(I think he's borderline myself even as a Khan fan), but other players aren't exactly playing 10+ times to separate themselves from your average PL player. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On February 12 2012 13:28 baubo wrote: How much more can he show? This isn't the old days when there are gazillion PL games coupled with OSL/MSL play. Samsung Khan played 7 games this round he played 5 times. I don't know if he deserves top 10(I think he's borderline myself even as a Khan fan), but other players aren't exactly playing 10+ times to separate themselves from your average PL player. Whether or not he's played at every chance is irrelevant. All he has shown is some prowess on a single map against mediocre competition, not even including the match-up he is historically worst at. For that matter, although his PvZ and PvP winrates are both over 60% lifetime, when has he beaten somebody who could truly be called elite? I don't think PR spots should be handed out like candy to any player who has a small run of luck. Well, that's a bit cold, but it's the truth. Brave shows some potential, but you definitely cannot say he is "there." | ||
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On February 12 2012 21:03 Mortality wrote: Whether or not he's played at every chance is irrelevant. All he has shown is some prowess on a single map against mediocre competition, not even including the match-up he is historically worst at. For that matter, although his PvZ and PvP winrates are both over 60% lifetime, when has he beaten somebody who could truly be called elite? I don't think PR spots should be handed out like candy to any player who has a small run of luck. Well, that's a bit cold, but it's the truth. Brave shows some potential, but you definitely cannot say he is "there." Where do you draw the line though? You can talk about not rewarding a small run of luck, but at the same time it seems like we've spent most of the month complaining that nobody's actually good among the "traditional" powers. The consensus seems to be to credit the 2nd-tier guys who are still getting normal solid results, but how do you choose between (hypothetically here) Calm on a 4-1 month and sHy on a 4-1 month assuming no real differences in opponents? | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 12 2012 22:53 Mortality wrote: Many factors matter. ANY result should be taken only in the context of history. For example, if a player is 3-0 on a month but only played his strongest match, then that's not necessarily better than going 0-3 but only playing his weakest match. It might sound that way, but it isn't. It's just luck of getting the right match-up. That's only an example, but you get my meaning I hope. Just simply saying "4-1 pass, 3-0 pass, 2-3 fail" is not adequate. True. A player that is 4-1 may be a worse player than someone who's 0-3, but the 4-1 player brings in MUCH MORE result. Samsung Khan is 2nd in the PL right now only trailing KT by point differential. A lot of that is Brave's contribution. I'd rather place someone who's 4-1 and helping his team win rather than some guy 2-3 while watching his team flounder. Oh, and BTW... other teams can use dedicated map specialists too. Yet no other team uses them(at least to my knowledge). So there are two possibilities here. One, it does take a great amount of skill to be a specialist knowing you may get a vP sniper on this map. Or other coaches are a bunch of morons who don't realize how to take advantage of such things. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Light sent 6 times on Electric Circuit (4-2) Bisu sent 6 times on Outlier (3-3) Free sent 6 times on Outlier (3-3) Jaedong sent 5 times on Outlier (4-1) Hydra sent 5 times on Outlier (4-1) Fantasy sent 5 times on Jade (4-1) Last sent 5 times on Jade (3-2) Shy sent 5 times on Jade (2-3) Best sent 5 times on CR (3-2) Baby sent 5 times on CR (3-2) (accounting for more than half the games as Terran on that map) Calm sent 5 times on CR (2-3) Unlike Brave, most of the players I listed above are used in nearly every match, so their coaches try to avoid using them too predictably. Not even shown here would include Wooki (4/5 games played on CR) and Mini (4/5 games played on Outlier). It's true that Brave's stats look good even among this group, but it's undeniable that so far he's slid through the cracks. Once he starts losing, it's possible that he could get pulled from the line-up entirely. Considering the dynamic of the team (brave competing for the spot of 3rd/4th Protoss with Grape) and the way January coaches (Khan has always been a bit of an odd duck, e.g. how they used to focus so hard on a strong 2v2 lineup back in the day, strange ace match decisions, etc.), it wouldn't surprise me. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
I wonder, are you omitting the two games from Round 3 for consideration? Or just going with it? | ||
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Zariel
Australia1312 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:50 Zariel wrote: As long as Flash is #1 and Stats is #2, all is good. fantasy will be 2nd, I'm afraid | ||
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flamewheel
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
This far. Also, I think it's an exaggeration that JD isn't in the top 10 because of that game. He still managed to win, right? I'm all of the underdogs but JD below Brave, I think, is just wrong. Or did you mean that game about Canata? I just copied what I posted in the Featured Article. Please, spare me the hammer | ||
Seeker
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Dakkas
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Motivate
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i feel people are being a bit too harsh on jaedong. also, in what world was stork vs flash a close game? stork did a great job holding on but that doesn't mean it was close. | ||
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