EPTPower Rank Discussion Thread - Page 17
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
He wasn't bad, he had two really good Dream League season (especially last season where he went 30-6) but he was never able to make that step until possibly now. If he can keep this up he'll be big | ||
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Zariel
Australia1309 Posts
The part I've been taking notice about Stats is his expansion timings, his playstyle is more economic victory centered which I like. Especially vZ situations, it almost rivals Bisu's timing and game sense in when to put down a third and secure it. In PvP, Stats is quite good at taking the initiative to expand first and having the clutch defense deflect the aggression with ease. Honestly, I'd like to see a Stork/Jangbi vs Stats game to see how things would turn out to be. Flash being Flash, innovative as ever with spot-on overlord scout path intercepting and dodging (like he remembers when and where a scouting OL would arrive EXACTLY at each possible spawn/build). It's like Flash gains a 'trait' or new ability every week or something. Man or machine? | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:44 Soft`Soap wrote: Thanks for the PR flamewheel I actually agree with all of your picks (as much as it pains me to see bisu that low) Although I could argue that baby should be placed above fantasy but nevertheless it's really good Anyways, not sure if this has been discussed previously or not but would you consider adding an extra small section (similar to the CBNS section) regarding the players that didn't make the PR and were pretty disappointing? I think it would be a little entertaining to read a little bit about the bad players of the month. Example, for this month my picks would be soo sea and jaehoon thoughts? Bad? I question you actually watching the games for Sea and Jaehoon or are you just claiming their bad because of their previous rep and record? | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
But, there's still a lot of time for that to change. Stats has only played 2 games so far, and Fantasy only 3. Last... is actually starting to look like more than just a TvT sniper. I think this month he'll HAVE to get the benefit of the doubt, especially with so many of the usual suspects not cutting the mustard. | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
CH win over Light was not inspiring or good brood war at all, please dont use that as a factor for putting him over JD. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:36 Archers_bane wrote: CH win over Light was not inspiring or good brood war at all, please dont use that as a factor for putting him over JD. Wat. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 17 2012 14:10 Mortality wrote: Kinda leaning towards Fantasy as #2 over Stats. Part of the influence of Stats > Fantasy last month was surely how embarrassingly ugly the Fanta-Last game was. But if the ranking was drawn up right now, I'd have to say that Fantasy and Stats were pretty neck-and-neck last month and Fantasy has done slightly more to prove himself this month. But, there's still a lot of time for that to change. Stats has only played 2 games so far, and Fantasy only 3. Last... is actually starting to look like more than just a TvT sniper. I think this month he'll HAVE to get the benefit of the doubt, especially with so many of the usual suspects not cutting the mustard. I dont see why there should be any changes as both have been looking equally dominating, and to me stats has faced the toughest competition of the two, afaik the only game where fantasy really was challenged was vs skyhigh and when you compare that to stats vs bogus which is argueably best game and definitly best PvT of the season. To me stats has faced better competition so there's no real point in ranking fantasy higher just because he is fantasy though if fantasy plays an amazing game vs kal or FBH later today my opinion could change since the difference is maginal. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Flash Stats Last Bogus Best Fantasy Jaedong Bisu last two: idk off the top of my head. Jaedong has been playing awfully so far this month. Bisu's loss to hon_sin was also really disappointing. So neither should be ranked high. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:52 bgx wrote: JD is only okaish in zvz and thats all. It hurts my brain that this is actually true now. What the christ happened, Broodwar? | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 17 2012 16:49 Iplaythings wrote: I dont see why there should be any changes as both have been looking equally dominating, and to me stats has faced the toughest competition of the two, afaik the only game where fantasy really was challenged was vs skyhigh and when you compare that to stats vs bogus which is argueably best game and definitly best PvT of the season. To me stats has faced better competition so there's no real point in ranking fantasy higher just because he is fantasy though if fantasy plays an amazing game vs kal or FBH later today my opinion could change since the difference is maginal. Stats vs Bogus was already on the previous rank and taken into consideration when I rated them as relatively equal on the previous ranking. Since last rank, Stats has faced Baby (who is undeniably a strong player all around, BUT is known for being relatively weak in TvP when compared with his TvT and especially his TvZ, AND is in the middle of a slump -- Baby being one of those players who's known for being streaky) and Shy (2-7 in the past 12 months vs P in standard leagues). Fantasy has faced SkyHigh, who admittedly is not the same TvT monster that he was a year ago, but seems to at least partially have his mojo back right now (his recent record doesn't really show it, but at least consider who he's been playing), Zero (who admittedly is slumping hard this season, but still ranks among the most scary Zergs a Terran could possibly face) and Classic (not a win of much significance). Since the start of the season? Yeah, maybe Stats has had a slightly harder list of opponents (although not by THAT much, for example Soo would have been considered a significant win last season, but right now his ZvP is on a six loss streak and frankly LOOKS mediocre as well -- the reason is that Soo was too heavily reliant on one particular strategy, hello hydra bust, and was not able to keep up with the current metagame). | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
Of the current 10, the following are in immanent jeopardy of dropping their spot: Baby, Jaedong, Stork, JangBi. Stork is the only one of the bunch to post a win so far (thanks to FINALLY playing a Terran). Btw, I assume the next PR will be out at the end of the round, and not simply the month? It seems to me it has to be done by rounds at this point, lest Khan will only have 3 games played while SKT1 will have 6 games played if you cut off at the end of January. | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
As far as I'm concerned, Baby has already dropped his rank. Too hard to justify putting him over so many others who have passed him. JD might get to keep his on who he's lost to (well, Canata... but other than that...) provided a number of factors go his way. Stork also could squeak in, but a lot will depend on his performance to come. Jangbi was low enough on the last rank that, honestly, with all these other players failing hard (Hydra, I'm looking at you) he still has a decent chance of keeping his rank, again if he can step up his game. | ||
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Eun_Star
United States322 Posts
On January 18 2012 10:42 KicKDoG wrote: me kickdog loves flash! hope he continues a while longer! I bet he will go sc2 eventually! And if he does he will just conquer. WTF why would you do that in PR Not exactly sure how I'd rank them, but...at the moment, I'm thinking... Flash, Last, Stats, Fantasy, Effort, Kal, Bogus, Crazy-Hydra, Best, Bisu, Stork If not, this would be the list I'd choose from. Really going to have trouble ranking those 5, but we'll have to wait and see. We still have some games left till next month. Only reason I have Best down there is because of his terrible PvT (PvP). It's as if he traded his PvT for PvZ or something. It's terrible. The last two games really worries me as well. Hopefully this won't be the beginning of a mini-slump for him. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 18 2012 10:51 Mortality wrote: Wait seriously? SKT1 will have 6 matches when Khan has 3? How does that work?! That almost forces it to be done by round, I should think. As far as I'm concerned, Baby has already dropped his rank. Too hard to justify putting him over so many others who have passed him. JD might get to keep his on who he's lost to (well, Canata... but other than that...) provided a number of factors go his way. Stork also could squeak in, but a lot will depend on his performance to come. Jangbi was low enough on the last rank that, honestly, with all these other players failing hard (Hydra, I'm looking at you) he still has a decent chance of keeping his rank, again if he can step up his game. Quoting myself. Oh snap. After last night, I simply do not see Baby over Bogus without some serious divine intervention in Baby's favor. I also think there's a stronger case for Fantasy > Stats now. I'll grant to anyone that Bogus played an amazing game of SC, but I also felt that Stats made a few poor moves that were very costly, particularly in his choice to expand between himself and Bogus after Bogus had already expanded between them (meaning that the distance between Bogus's defensive line and Stats's 4th base was very small. And Flash. Dear god. How can anyone possibly dethrone him? | ||
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Eun_Star
United States322 Posts
Bogus definitely deserves #6 as of now. I'm sure he'll move up eventually with every game he plays. Last's TvZ is still in question, considering Action was having a great day. Action plays well, he's just inconsistent. Last should have won this game though, considering the map is Jade. There's a reason we don't see zergs get sent out on this map. So he moves down to #4. Stats vs Bogus (5-1), not surprised Stats lost this. His last game vs Bogus was extremely close and he made huge mistakes throughout the whole game. Same with JD vs Flash as well, had JD taken Flash out in the game they played, Flash will still stay #1 and JD still does not deserve a spot in PR. Only reason Stats is still above Fantasy is the fact that he played stronger players and managed to win them, unlike Fantasy (ZerO mini-slump, and TvZ on jade, SkyHigh's TvT definitely doesn't look as strong as it used to be) with only loss to Last. It's too bad we didn't get to see Calm play. He had a great chance against Wooki on CR (not to mention that's the map where both players always get sent out...), and I'd love to see Calm back on PR. | ||
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
On January 19 2012 05:47 Eun_Star wrote: Only reason Stats is still above Fantasy is the fact that he played stronger players and managed to win them, unlike Fantasy (ZerO mini-slump, and TvZ on jade, SkyHigh's TvT definitely doesn't look as strong as it used to be) with only loss to Last. It's too bad we didn't get to see Calm play. He had a great chance against Wooki on CR (not to mention that's the map where both players always get sent out...), and I'd love to see Calm back on PR. By that logic, Flash has played a bunch of scrubs and a slumping JD this season. Bogus has been absolutely dominant this season, especially in TvP, which makes him an easy #2 behind Flash. | ||
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