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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
November 05 2011 07:31 GMT
#81
Because they practice for specific games and don't want their strategies leaked.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 05 2011 07:38 GMT
#82
For instance, I have seen both Memory and Nada pull off a fake fake double (which glass is the wine in, mr sicilian?)
Hiding the 2nd factory, with the 1 tank+5 marines-> vult w/ mines looking like it's going to be a 1 fact expand, when in reality it is going to be more like a Joyo.

If you practiced a bunch with people who were also friends w/ the person you're going to be playing, you could be meta-gamed differently. It would be less like "Well, Nada likes to feign a move out and expand behind it" which made it a great play, or Memory proxying his 2nd factory vs Bisu at 12 oclock, and more like "he was practicing faking this in practice games". You don't want that.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8087 Posts
November 05 2011 07:38 GMT
#83
the change in practice partners won't change much. I mean look at the evidence.

jaedong ALWAYS had shitty practice partners for all MUs, yet he has been the best zerg player around for 4 years now.

every time a big player trade happens, people always hype it up like "omg now action is on KT he will have the best zvt ever!" but it never actually changes much. you also got things like when FBH was on KHAN: He had the 2 best PvTers EVER to practice with but his TvP always sorta sucked (and then he went to ACE and his TvP got good WTF). the biggest change will probably just be in team atmosphere, as all 3 ace players (sea/baby/jaedong) no longer have such a huge burden on them to perform well in PL, which should lead to better results.
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SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
November 05 2011 07:52 GMT
#84
im kinda on board with this


im all for baby being the ace with JD. :D (sorry Sea! <3 but your not baby)
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
November 05 2011 07:58 GMT
#85
Jaedong fighting!
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 09:06:58
November 05 2011 09:06 GMT
#86
On November 05 2011 14:09 Sawamura wrote:
@Ryo hey where is that place ,seriously I wish I can got to korea , everything at there sounds more optimistic that the situation , I am having here in malaysia .

Itaewon, Yongsan.

Here's another picture taken by Tyson, this time of Coach Han. There's no doubt that these people get along well.

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영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
November 05 2011 09:13 GMT
#87
I really really really really really want some fucking Brood War to happen.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
November 05 2011 09:35 GMT
#88
On November 05 2011 18:13 flamewheel wrote:
I really really really really really want some fucking Brood War to happen.


well you only want it to happen,I FUCKING NEED IT TO HAPPEN!

WE REQUIRE MORE BROODWAR!

KeSPA MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PROLEAGUES!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
November 05 2011 09:49 GMT
#89
Is there any news when exactly is prolegue and OSL starting? And what about new maps?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
November 05 2011 10:07 GMT
#90
On November 05 2011 18:49 Vuk_91 wrote:
Is there any news when exactly is prolegue and OSL starting? And what about new maps?


don't know, don't know, no fucking clue.

maaaaps
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
November 05 2011 10:21 GMT
#91
On November 05 2011 19:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 18:49 Vuk_91 wrote:
Is there any news when exactly is prolegue and OSL starting? And what about new maps?


don't know, don't know, no fucking clue.

maaaaps


The last thing I read from maps was Bisu complaining they were imba for P and that it would be hard to win games as P etc etc etc.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
November 05 2011 10:31 GMT
#92
Fuck, I can't wait to watch this team...

This waiting period is unbearable with so much hype.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
November 05 2011 10:43 GMT
#93
I dunno...

I like the players in the team, but it just seem so cheap for KeSPA to assemble a dream team on equal or higher tier than KT, CJ and SKT, while Khan, STX and Woongjin pretty much got shafted again. KeSPA wants the hype of a dream team, but they need to look at their competition and examine how sustainable it is when 5 team disbanded in the last five years, all of which were underperforming teams like ... Khan, STX and Woongjin (gasp).

Sorry guys, I fucking hate KeSPA (even though it doesn't matter since they control BW ~.~)
Betrayed by EG.BuK
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
November 05 2011 11:08 GMT
#94
I hate to say this, but i think this new team really are the favorites for the proleague this time. even though they haven't been together for long, i think they will perform really well. but KT are the champs and they will be even stronger this time with the additions of mind and wooki. also CJ has effort returning from retirement. overall this could be the best and most exciting proleague season ever... can't wait for the games to begin.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 05 2011 11:28 GMT
#95
On November 05 2011 19:21 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 19:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 05 2011 18:49 Vuk_91 wrote:
Is there any news when exactly is prolegue and OSL starting? And what about new maps?


don't know, don't know, no fucking clue.

maaaaps


The last thing I read from maps was Bisu complaining they were imba for P and that it would be hard to win games as P etc etc etc.

It was also Stork and Jangbi and a few other protosses too wasn't it, not just Bisu
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 05 2011 11:35 GMT
#96
On November 05 2011 16:38 Ideas wrote:
the change in practice partners won't change much. I mean look at the evidence.

jaedong ALWAYS had shitty practice partners for all MUs, yet he has been the best zerg player around for 4 years now.

every time a big player trade happens, people always hype it up like "omg now action is on KT he will have the best zvt ever!" but it never actually changes much. you also got things like when FBH was on KHAN: He had the 2 best PvTers EVER to practice with but his TvP always sorta sucked (and then he went to ACE and his TvP got good WTF). the biggest change will probably just be in team atmosphere, as all 3 ace players (sea/baby/jaedong) no longer have such a huge burden on them to perform well in PL, which should lead to better results.


And to add that perhaps some practice partners are better with delivering certain style you expect your opponents to have. Even though they maybe bad Proleague players but they might be good practice partners.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 05 2011 11:47 GMT
#97
On November 05 2011 19:43 tyCe wrote:
I dunno...

I like the players in the team, but it just seem so cheap for KeSPA to assemble a dream team on equal or higher tier than KT, CJ and SKT, while Khan, STX and Woongjin pretty much got shafted again. KeSPA wants the hype of a dream team, but they need to look at their competition and examine how sustainable it is when 5 team disbanded in the last five years, all of which were underperforming teams like ... Khan, STX and Woongjin (gasp).

Sorry guys, I fucking hate KeSPA (even though it doesn't matter since they control BW ~.~)


You also have to think about this: In order to get a new sponsor for this team, it needs to be successful and attractive. Like you yourself asked, who would want to sponsor an underperforming team? They're just doing whatever they can to make sure an 8-team league can happen (which is something that benefits all the teams by maintaining interest in BW itself).

And nobody got shafted. It's not KeSPA's responsibility to make sure teams are balanced. It's not like they're going to go, "oh look, STX hasn't been doing well this year, let's give them Sea because we don't want them to disband." Teams get who they can afford. If any of the other teams were willing to dish out 200 grand a year for Jaedong, they could have done it in 09 when he was FA. All of the other players who weren't on reserve (and there were quite a few decent ones) were open to all the teams to bid on. This just means that those teams weren't willing to spend money on those players, and that has nothing to do with KeSPA as a whole, but only the sponsors individually.
Writer:o
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
November 05 2011 12:23 GMT
#98
On November 05 2011 19:43 tyCe wrote:
I dunno...

I like the players in the team, but it just seem so cheap for KeSPA to assemble a dream team on equal or higher tier than KT, CJ and SKT, while Khan, STX and Woongjin pretty much got shafted again. KeSPA wants the hype of a dream team, but they need to look at their competition and examine how sustainable it is when 5 team disbanded in the last five years, all of which were underperforming teams like ... Khan, STX and Woongjin (gasp).

Sorry guys, I fucking hate KeSPA (even though it doesn't matter since they control BW ~.~)


idk, all 3 of those teams made play-offs last year and with the exception of possibly STX, none of them got any weaker. If you don't spend as much as SKT or KT surely your expectations aren't as high and so I wouldn't say they are underperforming.

The teams that disbanded all had their own reasons and not all of them were due to performance
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 05 2011 12:31 GMT
#99
No more Jaedong Oz and MBSea. Now they're on the same team :D
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
villageidiot
Profile Joined May 2009
353 Posts
November 05 2011 12:40 GMT
#100
In winner league they will be unstoppable that is for sure.
Good night sour prince. You won't be missed!
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