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Jaedong, Sea, Baby to KeSPA run 8th Team - Page 33

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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
November 05 2011 10:54 GMT
#641
any team w/ baby is the team I root for. WE NEED A NAME!
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 11:31:55
November 05 2011 11:18 GMT
#642
What happened to Shine ? And also KT again gets the better deal of the draft...after Baby , Mind and Wooki are like the 2 best players from Wemade . Just the thought of Mind practising with Flash kinda scares me . This is great news non the less . If STX can get their shit together , they do have talented players then there will be no more weak teams in PL .

All player salaries were adjusted to higher levels than last season.


This is also good news .

Thought i hope the 20 or so undrafted progamers can manage some decent deals with the progaming teams .
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
November 05 2011 11:23 GMT
#643
KT looks pretty imba now with Mind, and lol at SKT picking up more zergs. I hope KHAN picks Hiya. They need him to fill in the spot of firebathero. Hyun would fit on KHAN really well too. If he retires I'll be a sad panda.

On November 05 2011 13:36 Sawamura wrote:
Honestly speaking has classic been winning his TvZ now days ? Ruby at least has a strong TvZ win rate and that could help stx in that match up . Midas on the other hand his win rate is over 60% all time in last year proleague . I disagree that you are calling the MIDAS a mediocre player .At least midas was field in more frequently than classics appearance in proleague .


Classic is a much better player than Ruby. I really hope STX keeps giving him the chance he deserves, because he's one of the smartest and most creative Terrans around, and his TvT/P is really good, plus they need Classic more than ever now that Kal is gone, since he specialize in the same matchups.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 11:42:35
November 05 2011 11:42 GMT
#644
I don't really feel convinced by the new team. JD and Killer on the same team is cool and all, but I don't see why it's so amazing pairing Jaedong with Sea and Baby. The latter 2 are kind of mediocre terrans, Sea basically being light minus amazing TvZ and Baby being stupidly inconsistent. Really pleased about Roro to Khan though (Khan has basically no decent zergs) and also happy about Mind->KT. SKT has way too many mediocre Zergs, they need another Terran.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
November 05 2011 11:49 GMT
#645
Finally some good news, but I wanted Shine and Roro to stick together...

GO KESPA team!
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
November 05 2011 11:56 GMT
#646
Way for KeSPA to take advantage of the situation.
CJ Entusman #24
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 05 2011 12:07 GMT
#647
On November 05 2011 20:56 Qwertify wrote:
Way for KeSPA to take advantage of the situation.

You need to re-read the OP. They're just care-takers until a sponsor is signed on. They're doing this so that PL can start soon with 8 teams instead of 7.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
November 05 2011 12:22 GMT
#648
On November 05 2011 20:42 Motivate wrote:
I don't really feel convinced by the new team. JD and Killer on the same team is cool and all, but I don't see why it's so amazing pairing Jaedong with Sea and Baby. The latter 2 are kind of mediocre terrans, Sea basically being light minus amazing TvZ and Baby being stupidly inconsistent. Really pleased about Roro to Khan though (Khan has basically no decent zergs) and also happy about Mind->KT. SKT has way too many mediocre Zergs, they need another Terran.


I agree mostly with your statement. Except your Sea analysis >: D

Sea is really just the more balanced version of Light, with healthier winrates in TvP and TvT. Near 60% winrates overall and definitely Ace player standard.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 16:01:29
November 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#649
On November 05 2011 21:22 chongu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 20:42 Motivate wrote:
I don't really feel convinced by the new team. JD and Killer on the same team is cool and all, but I don't see why it's so amazing pairing Jaedong with Sea and Baby. The latter 2 are kind of mediocre terrans, Sea basically being light minus amazing TvZ and Baby being stupidly inconsistent. Really pleased about Roro to Khan though (Khan has basically no decent zergs) and also happy about Mind->KT. SKT has way too many mediocre Zergs, they need another Terran.


I agree mostly with your statement. Except your Sea analysis >: D

Sea is really just the more balanced version of Light, with healthier winrates in TvP and TvT. Near 60% winrates overall and definitely Ace player standard.


Sea's "well-rounded but not elite at any matchup" trait makes him pretty much the worst type of Ace player you could get. At least Light can be matchup up against Jaedong, Hydra, Zero or Effort and be expected to win at least 50% of the time. Sea would be the underdog against pretty much any other team's Ace except for Air Force and STX. Fortunately it doesn't matter anymore because Jaedong has better vT, vZ and vP than Sea. As a #2, Sea is as good as it gets besides Fantasy.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
November 05 2011 18:00 GMT
#650
sorry for not reading the whole thread, but does anyone have a list of the 11 retired players??? I"m guessing it's mostly b teamers but just would like to know, thanks.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
November 05 2011 18:11 GMT
#651
solid pickup by khan, but did they get a bad draft spot? only one pick and way better players they couldve gotten.

but go bw, cant wait
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
November 05 2011 18:17 GMT
#652
On November 06 2011 03:00 amazingoopah wrote:
sorry for not reading the whole thread, but does anyone have a list of the 11 retired players??? I"m guessing it's mostly b teamers but just would like to know, thanks.


Lomo is the only confirmed one so far
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 18:52:29
November 05 2011 18:24 GMT
#653
On November 05 2011 20:42 Motivate wrote:
I don't really feel convinced by the new team. JD and Killer on the same team is cool and all, but I don't see why it's so amazing pairing Jaedong with Sea and Baby. The latter 2 are kind of mediocre terrans, Sea basically being light minus amazing TvZ and Baby being stupidly inconsistent. Really pleased about Roro to Khan though (Khan has basically no decent zergs) and also happy about Mind->KT. SKT has way too many mediocre Zergs, they need another Terran.


What? Are you judging by simply stats or actually watching the games? BaBy is very good and has tons of potential; like Sea his record is packed full of the strongest opponents too so it's not even quite as bad as it looks. Both of them were often the ace for their teams which makes their statistics look weaker.

On November 05 2011 20:56 Qwertify wrote:
Way for KeSPA to take advantage of the situation.


What is it with you idiots with some ridiculous wrong view of what KeSPA even is? It needs to be stated on here once and for all so people fucking understand. How the hell is KeSPA making a new team, paying the players and keeping them employed taking advantage of anything? If you're not going to give them credit for this then you shouldn't even watch the upcoming PL considering they are the ones making it all happen.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 05 2011 18:39 GMT
#654
At times over the past two years, I was ready to proclaim Baby a potential new King of Terran worthy of dethroning Flash. Obviously that has yet to come true. But, he has the multitasking ability of the best of the best (up there with Bisu and Flash, imo) but he still needs to figure out better decision making. He's still quite young though - probably the youngest of all Terrans who have made a Ro16 so far. Baby/Ty is a huge benefit to the new team. He is an easy Ace choice when you are expecting an anti-Zerg to combat JD and you throw out a multitasking Terran machine instead.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
epicanthic
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong295 Posts
November 05 2011 18:59 GMT
#655
Wait, Jaedong gets a lower base salary compared to Hiya or Midas? Am I missing something here?
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
November 05 2011 19:19 GMT
#656
Roro to khan?! oh yeuuhh
Graphicscolosi suck
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
November 05 2011 19:27 GMT
#657
Everyone is really stoked about the players... but I'm kinda excited about the coach... I was very unhappy with Oz's coaching last season, and if this coach is as good as some are saying he is... I'm very excited! I really think Jaedong's less dominant play stems (at least partly) from the loss of Cho, so if the dream team can have a bad ass coach... I will be stoked. Plus, I think Baby's inconsistency stems from a similar problem.
Jaedong and Baby
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 19:46:59
November 05 2011 19:42 GMT
#658
On November 06 2011 04:27 Yxes2211 wrote:
Everyone is really stoked about the players... but I'm kinda excited about the coach... I was very unhappy with Oz's coaching last season, and if this coach is as good as some are saying he is... I'm very excited! I really think Jaedong's less dominant play stems (at least partly) from the loss of Cho, so if the dream team can have a bad ass coach... I will be stoked. Plus, I think Baby's inconsistency stems from a similar problem.

Coach Han (Oz) is also part of the dream team coaching staff now, assistant to Joo Hoon. Not sure how that's going to work out. Personally I'd have chosen Pusan, but then again I'm an MBC fan.
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jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
November 05 2011 19:47 GMT
#659
On November 06 2011 04:19 pathy wrote:
Roro to khan?! oh yeuuhh


oh yeuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
November 05 2011 19:54 GMT
#660
On November 06 2011 01:00 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 21:22 chongu wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:42 Motivate wrote:
I don't really feel convinced by the new team. JD and Killer on the same team is cool and all, but I don't see why it's so amazing pairing Jaedong with Sea and Baby. The latter 2 are kind of mediocre terrans, Sea basically being light minus amazing TvZ and Baby being stupidly inconsistent. Really pleased about Roro to Khan though (Khan has basically no decent zergs) and also happy about Mind->KT. SKT has way too many mediocre Zergs, they need another Terran.


I agree mostly with your statement. Except your Sea analysis >: D

Sea is really just the more balanced version of Light, with healthier winrates in TvP and TvT. Near 60% winrates overall and definitely Ace player standard.


Sea's "well-rounded but not elite at any matchup" trait makes him pretty much the worst type of Ace player you could get. At least Light can be matchup up against Jaedong, Hydra, Zero or Effort and be expected to win at least 50% of the time. Sea would be the underdog against pretty much any other team's Ace except for Air Force and STX. Fortunately it doesn't matter anymore because Jaedong has better vT, vZ and vP than Sea. As a #2, Sea is as good as it gets besides Fantasy.


"besides Fantasy" sry oov isn't around anymore so the last two words are obsolete. in a bo7 where jaedong cannot play and win the 4 games required to play, a well rounded player like sea is good enough
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