BW feels so different from SC2. I kinda played it wayyyyy back then , and now i forgot most of the thing already. all i knew was making BCs, lol. i think BW graphic really is out of date, the visual appealing could use some work. i play sc2 exclusively, in sc2 because units are so easy to control, and you can select the entire army at once, because of that every big battle ends in about 10~20 sec. however, in BW, the battle seem to lasts longer and two armies can't really a move into each other. Battles between two pros are also very methodological and fun to watch. i hope they would introduce this type of play in Hots but the new units just steer sc2 away from BW even more so. i think i understand why many BW wouldn't want to switch to sc2, cuz it doesn't resemble BW at all.
Let me introduce you to the bravest man ever known by BW: KWANRO
Ever heard that boring motto some GSL caster loves to spread which goes by "When you get ahead, get more ahead!"? Well, let me tell you: that's bullshit. What do real men when they get cheesed?
By invoking the name of Kwanro, I feel obligated to give the link to the <fanfare> Kwanflow Chart.
I also recommend watching the "10 Years Star Age" series that MBC game made a few years ago. It is really long but worth the time invested (and you don't need to watch the whole thing at once.) It shows a lot of the history of BW and gives you a lot of fun games to watch! (You may have to ask around about particular games; some of the games they show are pretty old.) Here is the link to the first part of the first episode (each is at least three hours long and there are 5 episodes.) All of them can be found on the nevake Youtube account...along with casted VODs of the first two TSLs and a LOT of other VODs.
Let me introduce you to the bravest man ever known by BW: KWANRO
Ever heard that boring motto some GSL caster loves to spread which goes by "When you get ahead, get more ahead!"? Well, let me tell you: that's bullshit. What do real men when they get cheesed?
By invoking the name of Kwanro, I feel obligated to give the link to the <fanfare> Kwanflow Chart.
I also recommend watching the "10 Years Star Age" series that MBC game made a few years ago. It is really long but worth the time invested (and you don't need to watch the whole thing at once.) It shows a lot of the history of BW and gives you a lot of fun games to watch! (You may have to ask around about particular games; some of the games they show are pretty old.) Here is the link to the first part of the first episode (each is at least three hours long and there are 5 episodes.) All of them can be found on the nevake Youtube account...along with casted VODs of the first two TSLs and a LOT of other VODs.
On October 30 2011 17:18 HellionDrop wrote: BW feels so different from SC2. I kinda played it wayyyyy back then , and now i forgot most of the thing already. all i knew was making BCs, lol. i think BW graphic really is out of date, the visual appealing could use some work. i play sc2 exclusively, in sc2 because units are so easy to control, and you can select the entire army at once, because of that every big battle ends in about 10~20 sec. however, in BW, the battle seem to lasts longer and two armies can't really a move into each other. Battles between two pros are also very methodological and fun to watch. i hope they would introduce this type of play in Hots but the new units just steer sc2 away from BW even more so. i think i understand why many BW wouldn't want to switch to sc2, cuz it doesn't resemble BW at all.
I play SC2 exclusively now too for the same reasons you do: the game is just so much easier to play.
I still believe that BW is the superior game by a gargantuan margin, though. I just burned out trying to get better when I couldn't get out of D+ after six months of play, lol.
On October 30 2011 12:36 edc wrote: ONE LAST QUESTION and I will stop badgering you veterans with my questions.
Do any of you find the old graphics of BW appealing? I find them very much so . They have an aged yet smooth and beautiful look IMO.
I dont think anyone at all feels badgered to answer questions about BW haha, its always really nice when people are interested in BW despite the fact that its so 'old'
And i much prefer BWs graphics over sc2s, for two reasons. one is because sudden, jerky kind of micro movements (such as a marine split against lurkers) look better in these graphics imo. The other is that its much easier to tell apart units and properly see the number of units, even with zerg. Though I do prefer flying unit and spell graphics in sc2 (other than dark swarm, fuck that looks so sexy)
On October 30 2011 17:18 HellionDrop wrote: BW feels so different from SC2. I kinda played it wayyyyy back then , and now i forgot most of the thing already. all i knew was making BCs, lol. i think BW graphic really is out of date, the visual appealing could use some work. i play sc2 exclusively, in sc2 because units are so easy to control, and you can select the entire army at once, because of that every big battle ends in about 10~20 sec. however, in BW, the battle seem to lasts longer and two armies can't really a move into each other. Battles between two pros are also very methodological and fun to watch. i hope they would introduce this type of play in Hots but the new units just steer sc2 away from BW even more so. i think i understand why many BW wouldn't want to switch to sc2, cuz it doesn't resemble BW at all.
I play SC2 exclusively now too for the same reasons you do: the game is just so much easier to play.
I still believe that BW is the superior game by a gargantuan margin, though. I just burned out trying to get better when I couldn't get out of D+ after six months of play, lol.
I switched to playing sc2 for exactly that reason, ironically enough my accounts are stuck in gold/plat, whereas i got C- with toss and D+ with zerg on iccup. Quite depressing :/
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote: edit: Watching these now. OMG OMG OMG OMG is the passion amazing. the casters are awesome, and even though I don't really understand the game, I can kinda begin to understand why you guys care so much.
Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting?
The Korean casters are analytical and predictive. Every time I watch a subtitled cast I learn things I'd never even thought about. Why the player is pushing out now instead of any other time. What specific thing the player is scouting for --- he's not just "scouting", he's looking for something specific, right now. As the game observer, you see exactly what's there and forget about what *could* be there, in the fog of war; and commentators help you get inside the progamers' heads and recreate the strategic thinking. Actually I often see Korean commentators ignoring the little stuff (OH NO HE LOST TWO MARINES SLOPPILY TO LURKERS) to carry on making a strategical point. The Korean commentators are great at analysis and prediction, they're usually spot on.
Basically they spend most of the time explaining what MAKES the current game so exciting, and the rest of the time hollering their heads off. It's just great.
Anyone who speaks Korean can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm right that the Korean casters go way beyond "yelling narrative casting." That's exactly what I cannot stand about most English-speaking youtube commentators.
Not enough love for the strategic positioning and map control oriented TvT matchup which is completely missing in SC2.
By far my favorite mirror in BW with the ultimate test of patience, game sense, and decision making.
I present to you:
1) Bigfile MSL - Bo5 Flash vs Fantasy Series The most epic TvT series of modern time. Watch the whole series if you have 3 hours of spare time. If you just want some taste of positioning strategic RTS, watch game 1. Ultimate showcase of both player's ability beyond their limits.+ Show Spoiler +
And the comeback is absolutely ridiculously surreal!!
2) Shinhank Bank Proleague - ACE vs STX Ace match FBH vs Bogus Hugely underrated game because it is just a regular Proleague Ace match, but IMO it is the best TvT under the influence of the modern TvT metagame shift. The perfect balances between positioning/harass, ground-air composition, small and large battles are shown in this beautiful TvT!
show this thread to the SC2 forum, where everyone is basically talking as if flash and bisu have already switched over like it was the most obvious thing to happen in the world.
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote: So there is all this talk about how "the new sc2 fans dont understand our history"
Well teach me.
Tell me why this game you all love is so amazing, teach me why flash/bisu/jaedong/boxer were all so amazing.
Show me our favorite vods, tell me why I need to be appreciative. I want to learn.
I've played a few matches on iccup and omg is it hard, and I want to hear about these experiences from a hardened fan.
I want to at least have an understanding of broodwar so I can fully appreciate how far esports has come, so I can understand why a boxer/idea match is amazing, and why flash possibly coming to sc2 is a big deal.
Teach me, as a young sc2 fan who only knows StarCraft as sc2, please teach us all.
edit: Watching these now. OMG OMG OMG OMG is the passion amazing. the casters are awesome, and even though I don't really understand the game, I can kinda begin to understand why you guys care so much.
day9 daily numer 100 + sAviOr
This is one of the most amazing games i have seen... and i watch bw progaming since 2003
On October 30 2011 10:43 NukeTheStars wrote: This thread rules. After all the negative, worthless nonsense I've seen on this site recently, seeing a thread full of pure love is awesome.
As some users said, to get the full picture you'll need to watch some Proleague and OSL when they start back up again. Watch live, if you can. It's fuuuuuun. If you can't catch games live, there are always vods.
Regarding this i have a question. Where and how do you watch these leagues live?
nanashin/gtr/kiante/others (eton4170? something like that) will stream it live. It will be on teamliquid sidebar under "ON AIR"; either at 13:00 KST or 18:00 KST (typical times of proleague/matches). There will always be live report threads made in brood war section for the matches. However the broadcast schedule will have to change some for the next season, as the format may change a tiny bit/mbc game will not be broadcasting it anymore come the new year. Historically other streamers have streamed in the past, so sorry for not giving many people credit.
nanashin plays kpop in between sets, so if you like that watch his stream.
edit- also, mokitra, the god of broodwar fandom, has been incredibly fast in uploading every single vod at blazing speeds (same day; sometimes within like 5 hours of completion) to the youtube account nevake. You can go there and find previous vods as well. Torrents will be posted in the "vod tracker" thread in bw general, and vods will be posted in the "small vod thread" in bw general. Both those threads are stickied to the very top of the brood war general forum. He puts it into a spoiler-free format as well ("set 1" "set 2"...."set 7") and some people have made the uploads into playlists. Others will upload vods too, just mokitra has been the guy to go for in a while.
tl;dr-- streamed under "ON AIR" when live; uploaded to the account nevake on youtube very quickly in vod form. Also posted as torrents in vod tracker thread and vods in small vod thread, both in brood war general.
Beyond the stuff you see, its the stuff you dont see. Stork had the best understanding of pvt of any protoss and when the littlest things happen, like he snipes your first tank, he knew exactly how to win right there.
On October 29 2011 02:01 rift wrote: Liquipedia is a good start.
As stupid as this is for me to say, it's actually not. LP tries to keep a neutral tone, so it's often difficult to see the passion people feel for some particular aspect of the scene by reading LP articles.
On October 30 2011 10:43 NukeTheStars wrote: This thread rules. After all the negative, worthless nonsense I've seen on this site recently, seeing a thread full of pure love is awesome.
As some users said, to get the full picture you'll need to watch some Proleague and OSL when they start back up again. Watch live, if you can. It's fuuuuuun. If you can't catch games live, there are always vods.
Regarding this i have a question. Where and how do you watch these leagues live?
In the BW calendar (which is difficult to find / sort through coz of SC2 nowadays) search for when the games are due to be played. Under the "On Air" section on the right hand side of TL.net there will be a list of the current 'live' matches being played. Pick a stream (GTR, nanashin, blindrawr, fold etc) and watch. You can also follow the chat in the threads.
OFC if you're in Korea, just go to the Ongamenet studio... which would be AWESOME! (wish I could go...)
I may be a Starcraft II player now but this games still does emotional shit to me I can't explain. I really wish I could have been apart of the Teamliquid community when I played Broodwar -_-
EPT
. They have an aged yet smooth and beautiful look IMO.
