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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 28 2011 21:50 GMT
#1361
i wish there was a way you could hide individual threads from the left sidebar...
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Bd.Snake
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia163 Posts
November 28 2011 21:52 GMT
#1362
Everyone needs to stop yammering on about how shit sc2 is and how there players are trash its really pathetic and ignorant
Well see the thing of it is you know theres alot of ugly people out there walking around but they dont know there ugly because nobody actually tells them
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 22:02:08
November 28 2011 21:59 GMT
#1363
On November 29 2011 05:47 ppshchik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 17:17 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
SC2 fans should pray that proleague does well and stays with BW for at least this full year (both seasons), because I'm putting money down that the inflow of S-class and A-class players switching to SC2 will not only destroy today's SC2 top players (former BW scrubs such as MVP, Iron(aka MC), ZERGBONG (Nestea), the fallen Nada and Boxer), but could bridge the gap significantly between foreigners and koreans, much like in brood war.


It's not like the A / S class BW progamers will dominate RIGHT AWAY as you imply. Took MVP quite a while, not to mention that his TvP is atrocious since TvP in SC2 is bio based whilst BW TvP is mech based so MVP needed time to adapt.

It will probably take Flash 3 months of SC2 practice to take games off Incontrol
about 1 year to take games off IdrA.
and probably about 1 year and a half to take games off IMMVP.

Just my 2 cents...

i know you trollin but it was funny

its funny when you realize it only works in 1 way because it doesnt work like that backwards (in bw)maybe only mvp would be able to take a game from flash in while incontrol/idra well, from months to infinity
Stork[gm]
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
November 29 2011 02:18 GMT
#1364
On November 29 2011 06:11 hydrogg wrote:
Show nested quote +


That doesn't make sense to me. The teams would probably go where the money is rather then let the team die for some fan biased reason. If SC2 proved stable enough financially and in a metagame sense, they would at least host a branch team.


Having a branch team isn't the same as SC2 proleague. WeMade Fox had a counter strike team. A lot of the other teams had Warcraft 3 players. That didn't mean that there was a counter strike or warcraft 3 proleague. However the proleague site has Special Forces, Brood War, and another game which is still unknown. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/


I was talking about Ribbon's response about how BW players playing SC2 means BW teams won't change. The teams may form a branch to play in the GSL or abroad if the money is right. And purely from a logistical stand point, KeSPA has a huge BW history and Starcraft experience in general, so again...if the money is there, SC2 would make more sense and probably cost them less then changing to a completely different game/genre. Cutting through the fan-bias, this organizations do not care about the SC2 vs BW essays that fans write. Only if it makes business sense to incorporate it given their current resources. Also, legalities with Gretech and KeSPA apply.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:55:06
November 29 2011 03:54 GMT
#1365
On November 29 2011 11:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 06:11 hydrogg wrote:


That doesn't make sense to me. The teams would probably go where the money is rather then let the team die for some fan biased reason. If SC2 proved stable enough financially and in a metagame sense, they would at least host a branch team.


Having a branch team isn't the same as SC2 proleague. WeMade Fox had a counter strike team. A lot of the other teams had Warcraft 3 players. That didn't mean that there was a counter strike or warcraft 3 proleague. However the proleague site has Special Forces, Brood War, and another game which is still unknown. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/


I was talking about Ribbon's response about how BW players playing SC2 means BW teams won't change. The teams may form a branch to play in the GSL or abroad if the money is right.


The money isn't right, because none of it's in Korea. The BW sponsors would be getting into a field where the vast majority of their audience is literally incapable of buying their product.

And purely from a logistical stand point, KeSPA has a huge BW history and Starcraft experience in general, so again...if the money is there, SC2 would make more sense and probably cost them less then changing to a completely different game/genre. Cutting through the fan-bias, this organizations do not care about the SC2 vs BW essays that fans write. Only if it makes business sense to incorporate it given their current resources. Also, legalities with Gretech and KeSPA apply.


The thing is, BW makes a lot of fucking money in Korea. A lot more than SC2 does or will in the near future. Compare the crowd of the Proleague opening to the crowd of, say, the GSL Semifinals. BW fans vastly outnumber SC2 fans in Korea. And while it's true that an uncomfortably large number of them are fangirls who just like Bisu cause he's cute, then that's all the more reason to not fix what isn't broken, and BW isn't broken. It boomed. And then it shrank back a little. That just happens. It doesn't mean BW is dead.

It will happen, and I guarantee you, that sooner or later the rapid growth of SC2 will stop and fall back a bit to a "normal" state, which'll cause some teams to fail because they weren't prepared. 100% guarantee. And then everyone will freak out that SC2 is dying and a lot of BW fans will feel smug, but saying SC2 is dying then will be just as silly as saying BW is dying now. It's not.
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
November 29 2011 04:05 GMT
#1366
Guys, stop it. Stop the stupid discussion about how good players are and stuff like that. Stop the shit about how one game is dying and how another is going to soar through the roof, stop flaming each other about how much money this or that makes in whatever region of the world.

You guys are killing Starcraft.
Bd.Snake
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia163 Posts
November 29 2011 10:19 GMT
#1367
On November 29 2011 13:05 LanTAs wrote:
Guys, stop it. Stop the stupid discussion about how good players are and stuff like that. Stop the shit about how one game is dying and how another is going to soar through the roof, stop flaming each other about how much money this or that makes in whatever region of the world.

You guys are killing Starcraft.

I think they just want to feel important
Well see the thing of it is you know theres alot of ugly people out there walking around but they dont know there ugly because nobody actually tells them
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 11:05:54
November 29 2011 11:03 GMT
#1368
Ribbon wrote:
And while it's true that an uncomfortably large number of them are fangirls who just like Bisu cause he's cute...


How many? Is there a reliable source of Korean BW viewer demographics?
Believing in God is like believing in a teapot orbiting Mars (Edit: wow I was a douche in 2003)
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 11:14:17
November 29 2011 11:13 GMT
#1369
On October 20 2011 02:34 keiraknightlee wrote:
It won't matter if Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu aren't playing


But they will be playing next year, maybe the year after. Why else would suddenly a ton of BW players start SC2 and BW leagues shift over to SC2 etc.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 11:27:36
November 29 2011 11:20 GMT
#1370
The thing is, BW makes a lot of fucking money in Korea.


If you are talking in context of a top player like Flash compared to a sc2 pro,yes.If you are talking about the company's sponsoring the BW team's,that's not actually true from what I understand.
Cackle™
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
November 29 2011 11:28 GMT
#1371
On November 29 2011 20:20 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
The thing is, BW makes a lot of fucking money in Korea.


If you are talking in context of a top player like Flash compared to a sc2 pro,yes.If you are talking about the company's sponsoring the team's,that's not actually true from what I understand.


broodwar has viewership numbering in the tens of thousands to hundreds(?) of thousands in korea alone, not counting china.

maybe 500 people show up for a gsl finals, which aren't even televised?

i don't think you can really compare the two of them.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 11:38:12
November 29 2011 11:33 GMT
#1372
On November 29 2011 20:03 rplant wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ribbon wrote:
And while it's true that an uncomfortably large number of them are fangirls who just like Bisu cause he's cute...


How many? Is there a reliable source of Korean BW viewer demographics?


Here is my personal experience (as a Bisu fangirl in Korea):

It's a ridiculously false statement to say that a majority of BW fans are Bisu fangirls. Otherwise, why would anyone go to OSL finals (since Bisu never makes it T__T)? I suppose it's more accurate to say that many SKT fans are Bisu fangirls. But trust me, they don't like him JUST because he's cute.

In the early 2000s, many girls fell for Boxer, Yellow, Nada, Reach, etc. because they were mighty fiiiiine, and young adolescent females of that generation needed men to fawn over. Such is the nature of teenage girls. But things have since changed. Nowadays, cute Korean boys are a dime a plenty, thanks to all the K-pop boy groups that began to spring up in the latter half of the decade. In some ways, SC became less mainstream due to the loss of mass fangirls to these boy groups.

The current fangirls that still remain are here because they chose Starcraft progamers over K-pop (or are into both at the same time), which is pretty significant. I stood next to 4 Bisu fangirls during PL on Saturday, and every one of them were deeply absorbed in the games, even more so than I was (I admit, I spent a lot of time taking stalker pics of Bisu sitting at the bench). They cursed SoO for his poor performance, "YAH! YOONSOO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! STOP LETTING VULTURES OWN YOU, AH FUCK," and debated among each other PvT tactics during Sun's game. It was far more than just, "oh my god Bisu let me have your babies you are so qt." They may show up on certain days to see Bisu, but they know and love this game just as much as any of you.
Writer:o
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 11:34 GMT
#1373
On November 29 2011 20:28 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 20:20 TheKefka wrote:
The thing is, BW makes a lot of fucking money in Korea.


If you are talking in context of a top player like Flash compared to a sc2 pro,yes.If you are talking about the company's sponsoring the team's,that's not actually true from what I understand.


broodwar has viewership numbering in the tens of thousands to hundreds(?) of thousands in korea alone, not counting china.

maybe 500 people show up for a gsl finals, which aren't even televised?

i don't think you can really compare the two of them.

Which is why......I don't?
BW is X times bigger than sc2,there is no doubt about that.
I'm saying that the value of sponsoring BW team's for the company's doesn't translate in "a lot of fucking money" directly.
The true value for them lies in the positive PR and advertising for their products.
Cackle™
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 29 2011 11:47 GMT
#1374
On November 29 2011 20:28 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 20:20 TheKefka wrote:
The thing is, BW makes a lot of fucking money in Korea.


If you are talking in context of a top player like Flash compared to a sc2 pro,yes.If you are talking about the company's sponsoring the team's,that's not actually true from what I understand.


broodwar has viewership numbering in the tens of thousands to hundreds(?) of thousands in korea alone, not counting china.

maybe 500 people show up for a gsl finals, which aren't even televised?

i don't think you can really compare the two of them.


You can compare them, but to do it you need data rather than guess work.

One piece of imaginary data missing from your guess work is the viewing numbers of the GSL Korean stream.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 29 2011 11:49 GMT
#1375
On November 29 2011 20:33 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 20:03 rplant wrote:
Ribbon wrote:
And while it's true that an uncomfortably large number of them are fangirls who just like Bisu cause he's cute...


How many? Is there a reliable source of Korean BW viewer demographics?


Here is my personal experience (as a Bisu fangirl in Korea):

It's a ridiculously false statement to say that a majority of BW fans are Bisu fangirls. Otherwise, why would anyone go to OSL finals (since Bisu never makes it T__T)? I suppose it's more accurate to say that many SKT fans are Bisu fangirls. But trust me, they don't like him JUST because he's cute.

In the early 2000s, many girls fell for Boxer, Yellow, Nada, Reach, etc. because they were mighty fiiiiine, and young adolescent females of that generation needed men to fawn over. Such is the nature of teenage girls. But things have since changed. Nowadays, cute Korean boys are a dime a plenty, thanks to all the K-pop boy groups that began to spring up in the latter half of the decade. In some ways, SC became less mainstream due to the loss of mass fangirls to these boy groups.

The current fangirls that still remain are here because they chose Starcraft progamers over K-pop (or are into both at the same time), which is pretty significant. I stood next to 4 Bisu fangirls during PL on Saturday, and every one of them were deeply absorbed in the games, even more so than I was (I admit, I spent a lot of time taking stalker pics of Bisu sitting at the bench). They cursed SoO for his poor performance, "YAH! YOONSOO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! STOP LETTING VULTURES OWN YOU, AH FUCK," and debated among each other PvT tactics during Sun's game. It was far more than just, "oh my god Bisu let me have your babies you are so qt." They may show up on certain days to see Bisu, but they know and love this game just as much as any of you.


girl spectators discussing starcraft tactics and performance T_T , I want to go to korea now , thanks for the insight kiet ^^
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
ShineOnYou
Profile Joined November 2011
93 Posts
November 29 2011 13:19 GMT
#1376
So I conclude these were false speculations? BW proleague started this week and no sign of sc2
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
November 29 2011 13:38 GMT
#1377
On November 29 2011 22:19 ShineOnYou wrote:
So I conclude these were false speculations? BW proleague started this week and no sign of sc2

the OP claims they are CONSIDERING sc2, not they have decided to add it. So there would be no way to prove these are false accusations just by sc2 not being played
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
November 29 2011 13:44 GMT
#1378
So has anything been confirmed about this? I've noticed the PL logo in the overlays contains the StarCraft logo which could be replaced with an SC2 logo when a round for that comes.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
DerpDog
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (North)62 Posts
November 29 2011 14:04 GMT
#1379
On November 29 2011 20:33 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 20:03 rplant wrote:
Ribbon wrote:
And while it's true that an uncomfortably large number of them are fangirls who just like Bisu cause he's cute...


How many? Is there a reliable source of Korean BW viewer demographics?


Here is my personal experience (as a Bisu fangirl in Korea):

It's a ridiculously false statement to say that a majority of BW fans are Bisu fangirls. Otherwise, why would anyone go to OSL finals (since Bisu never makes it T__T)? I suppose it's more accurate to say that many SKT fans are Bisu fangirls. But trust me, they don't like him JUST because he's cute.

In the early 2000s, many girls fell for Boxer, Yellow, Nada, Reach, etc. because they were mighty fiiiiine, and young adolescent females of that generation needed men to fawn over. Such is the nature of teenage girls. But things have since changed. Nowadays, cute Korean boys are a dime a plenty, thanks to all the K-pop boy groups that began to spring up in the latter half of the decade. In some ways, SC became less mainstream due to the loss of mass fangirls to these boy groups.

The current fangirls that still remain are here because they chose Starcraft progamers over K-pop (or are into both at the same time), which is pretty significant. I stood next to 4 Bisu fangirls during PL on Saturday, and every one of them were deeply absorbed in the games, even more so than I was (I admit, I spent a lot of time taking stalker pics of Bisu sitting at the bench). They cursed SoO for his poor performance, "YAH! YOONSOO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! STOP LETTING VULTURES OWN YOU, AH FUCK," and debated among each other PvT tactics during Sun's game. It was far more than just, "oh my god Bisu let me have your babies you are so qt." They may show up on certain days to see Bisu, but they know and love this game just as much as any of you.


Actually most of us only watch BW because we want to have Bisu's babies. We don't care about the game at all.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 29 2011 14:04 GMT
#1380
On November 29 2011 22:44 Neo7 wrote:
So has anything been confirmed about this? I've noticed the PL logo in the overlays contains the StarCraft logo which could be replaced with an SC2 logo when a round for that comes.

Kespa hasn't said anything. The only confirmed fact is that BW players have tried out SC2 over the off-season. A lot of former BW pros can testify to this (Hiya, TheStC).
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