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snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
October 20 2011 01:20 GMT
#681
Not to bash starcraft 2 but some of the epic games in BW like flash against jaedong I just cant see those kinds of games happening in starcraft 2. I dont think any of the best BW players will do all that much better then mvp or nestea at starcraft 2 and they will become just normal average pro players losing games to sase or some other foreigner sometimes. Starcraft 2 plays differently than BW for better or for worse and the games play out differently there is some more randomness to it.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 01:25:53
October 20 2011 01:21 GMT
#682
huh wait what? so how does this happen?

BW progaming teams play BW, SC2 progaming teams play SC2, but both will be played under the banner of "Proleague?"

edit: regardless, this is a pretty bad idea. people watch BW proleague for BW, if KeSPA had another separate SC2 proleague then it'll be a different case. but mixing SC2 and BW together is really kinda weird and may turn off some people. it's like watching Sudden Attack and Counter-strike in the same series :S

anw the whole thing, if it goes through, seems really really forced...
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 20 2011 01:24 GMT
#683
On October 20 2011 09:51 m0nkeyknight wrote:
I bet they do it true Kespa style and play the SCBW mod maps in SC2 :D. But more exposure is good! but i hope they dont impose all their player restrictions or else no more crazy ceremonies

I don't think you need to worry about that. No one would watch that. The SC2 fans would say its not SC2 and I can tell you now its certainly not Broodwar.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 20 2011 01:33 GMT
#684
On October 20 2011 10:21 konadora wrote:
huh wait what? so how does this happen?

BW progaming teams play BW, SC2 progaming teams play SC2, but both will be played under the banner of "Proleague?"

edit: regardless, this is a pretty bad idea. people watch BW proleague for BW, if KeSPA had another separate SC2 proleague then it'll be a different case. but mixing SC2 and BW together is really kinda weird and may turn off some people. it's like watching Sudden Attack and Counter-strike in the same series :S

anw the whole thing, if it goes through, seems really really forced...

I ... thought this is what they're planning on doing?

Maybe I misread something.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
October 20 2011 01:34 GMT
#685
I wonder how foreign team managers/owners feel about this.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 01:40:58
October 20 2011 01:35 GMT
#686
On October 20 2011 10:33 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 10:21 konadora wrote:
huh wait what? so how does this happen?

BW progaming teams play BW, SC2 progaming teams play SC2, but both will be played under the banner of "Proleague?"

edit: regardless, this is a pretty bad idea. people watch BW proleague for BW, if KeSPA had another separate SC2 proleague then it'll be a different case. but mixing SC2 and BW together is really kinda weird and may turn off some people. it's like watching Sudden Attack and Counter-strike in the same series :S

anw the whole thing, if it goes through, seems really really forced...

I ... thought this is what they're planning on doing?

Maybe I misread something.

idk, i read it as "bw and sc2 being played in same series" lol correct me if i'm wrong


ok re-read it and i think i misinterpreted it lol

good news then!

p.s: why do bw ppl think having SC2 will necessarily take out BW fans, but not take SC2 fans to watch BW? in the end, it's a net exchange, BW will get more fans, SC2 will get more fans, ESPORTS grows
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ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
October 20 2011 01:38 GMT
#687
As a fan of both BW and SC2 I am cautiously optimistic about this news.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
October 20 2011 01:39 GMT
#688
Good news.
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
October 20 2011 01:43 GMT
#689
a lot of the koreans say the only competition is GOM is KeSPA bring it in, it'll be ssssiiiiiiiccccckkkk
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
October 20 2011 01:45 GMT
#690
On October 20 2011 10:35 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 10:33 babylon wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:21 konadora wrote:
huh wait what? so how does this happen?

BW progaming teams play BW, SC2 progaming teams play SC2, but both will be played under the banner of "Proleague?"

edit: regardless, this is a pretty bad idea. people watch BW proleague for BW, if KeSPA had another separate SC2 proleague then it'll be a different case. but mixing SC2 and BW together is really kinda weird and may turn off some people. it's like watching Sudden Attack and Counter-strike in the same series :S

anw the whole thing, if it goes through, seems really really forced...

I ... thought this is what they're planning on doing?

Maybe I misread something.

idk, i read it as "bw and sc2 being played in same series" lol correct me if i'm wrong


ok re-read it and i think i misinterpreted it lol

good news then!

p.s: why do bw ppl think having SC2 will necessarily take out BW fans, but not take SC2 fans to watch BW? in the end, it's a net exchange, BW will get more fans, SC2 will get more fans, ESPORTS grows

I wub u so much.

Why can't people see it this way.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
October 20 2011 01:47 GMT
#691
Meh, It can be both a good thing and a terrible thing.

I'd like to hear from people closer to the scene. aka, OGN commentators, coaches and players themselves. I would also like if it was not done so abruptly and instead push it to the 12-13 season?

@konadora I'm pretty sure they aren't combining games together, that would be almost idiotic - fanbases are different, whinefests will triple over on TL, internet will explode
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
October 20 2011 01:52 GMT
#692
On October 20 2011 10:47 chongu wrote:
Meh, It can be both a good thing and a terrible thing.

I'd like to hear from people closer to the scene. aka, OGN commentators, coaches and players themselves. I would also like if it was not done so abruptly and instead push it to the 12-13 season?

@konadora I'm pretty sure they aren't combining games together, that would be almost idiotic - fanbases are different, whinefests will triple over on TL, internet will explode

yeah that's why my initial reaction was "oh kespa..."

i would love to see more OGN sc2 commentary, tbh. i loved their WCG cast :3

and yes, 12-13 season please
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
October 20 2011 01:54 GMT
#693
On October 20 2011 10:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 10:35 konadora wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:33 babylon wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:21 konadora wrote:
huh wait what? so how does this happen?

BW progaming teams play BW, SC2 progaming teams play SC2, but both will be played under the banner of "Proleague?"

edit: regardless, this is a pretty bad idea. people watch BW proleague for BW, if KeSPA had another separate SC2 proleague then it'll be a different case. but mixing SC2 and BW together is really kinda weird and may turn off some people. it's like watching Sudden Attack and Counter-strike in the same series :S

anw the whole thing, if it goes through, seems really really forced...

I ... thought this is what they're planning on doing?

Maybe I misread something.

idk, i read it as "bw and sc2 being played in same series" lol correct me if i'm wrong


ok re-read it and i think i misinterpreted it lol

good news then!

p.s: why do bw ppl think having SC2 will necessarily take out BW fans, but not take SC2 fans to watch BW? in the end, it's a net exchange, BW will get more fans, SC2 will get more fans, ESPORTS grows

I wub u so much.

Why can't people see it this way.


Amen brother!

Just look at how many posters have taken an interest (positivie interest that is) since SC2 was released.

There is risk with this, but there is also opportunity and people don't seem to see that.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
October 20 2011 01:54 GMT
#694
On October 20 2011 02:36 Gann1 wrote:
goodbye GSL, it was nice knowing you

lol i kind of thought this as well. Regardless, this is epic.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
October 20 2011 01:58 GMT
#695
Btw, hopefully they don't make it like GSL. a tournament each month. It's boring.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 20 2011 02:04 GMT
#696
On October 20 2011 10:47 chongu wrote:
Meh, It can be both a good thing and a terrible thing.

I'd like to hear from people closer to the scene. aka, OGN commentators, coaches and players themselves. I would also like if it was not done so abruptly and instead push it to the 12-13 season?

@konadora I'm pretty sure they aren't combining games together, that would be almost idiotic - fanbases are different, whinefests will triple over on TL, internet will explode

Well,at least putting SC2 into a BW league wouldn't be as bad as putting LoL into an SC2 league. If BW is as good of a spectator sport as people rightfully claim it is, then the SC2 fans who stick around to watch the BW around the SC2 games should gain a huge appreciation of the game. Of course, there will be people who are completely turned off by the graphics, UI, and AI, but I think they are fewer than expected as I've read in a lot of posts on TL and /r/starcraft about SC2 fans genuinely getting interested and excited with BW content (disregarding the trolls, of course).
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NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
October 20 2011 02:09 GMT
#697
KeSPA...... why? x__x

I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
October 20 2011 02:16 GMT
#698
I think we should wait for the expansions to be out first...

I don't really know about SC2 killing BW, to me they seem to be on the same side. Someone that likes to follow one would surely love to be introduced to the other because they are very similar.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
October 20 2011 02:19 GMT
#699
On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote:
KeSPA...... why? x__x

I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through.


Why is that?

Why does the flow have to be from BW to SC2? If people only like SC2 because it is new and shiny then surely you don't want them as BW fans? On the flipside if BW is such an amazing game (which I believe it is), why won't smart SC2 fans enjoy BW as well?

To me there is massive opportunity to spread BW to those recently engaged with Starcraft through SC2. Sure it probably won't happen in Korea but foreigners learning about Proleague through SC2 is certainly a good thing.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Masil
Profile Joined July 2011
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 02:24:09
October 20 2011 02:22 GMT
#700
On October 20 2011 10:10 Philo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 09:54 Ribbon wrote:
On October 20 2011 09:49 Philo wrote:
On October 20 2011 09:42 Ribbon wrote:
On October 20 2011 09:41 jidolboy wrote:
On October 20 2011 09:37 PraetorialGamer wrote:
I have no idea why this is being made into a SC2 vs BW thread. BW and SC2 should be afforded equal respect, they have both assissted in the growth of ESPORTS, and neither is better or more watchable or popular.

Unfortunately it happens when BW related news gets posted on community news -.-


This isn't BW news at all. It's KeSPA trying to cannibalize the SC2 scene.


It's KeSPA trying to keep ESPORTS alive in the future. The SC2 Koreans have been wishing for this since release. If KeSPA can make it happen more power to them. If BW teams will support their players in SC2 and KeSPA will get it broadcast, then the ideal situation for Korean players is reached. Even if Koreans end up not being able to go to tourneys not sponsored by Blizzard or maybe GOM.


Dealing a huge blow to IPL, MLG, NASL (kinda) and the foreign SC2 scene in general is not what the Koreans want, and it's not good for "e-sports". GOM has been way way better for foreign AND Korean SC2 than KeSPA would ever be.

If KeSPA takes over Korean SC2, what happens to Liquid'Hero? FnaticRain? Do they not get to play in Korea because they're not on a "licensed" team?


GSL's not going anywhere. GOMTV's not suddenly going to roll over and be KeSPA's bitch when they've got such a firm history with Blizzard and Its not fucking likely that a foreign team or its players would ever be allowed (or able) to play in Proleague anyways.

Fact is that Korean SC2 players still don't make shit and what little betterment of their situation they've had is mostly due to GOM not foreign tournaments. As long as MLG and other foreign tournaments continue to talk to GOM, Koreans will make it to those events. Meanwhile, KeSPA events will give them sponsorship opportunities, so teams like ZeNEX can afford to hold onto their players.


That's what I really hope so too.

But I don't think it's positive news for both side BW and SC2. Because regarding to the history of KeSPA, what they did against GomTV Classic, etc. They would not like to share any profits with any other competitors, especially like GOM. This news is the hint that KeSPA may try to absorb Korean SC2 scene what GOM and other teams created and change into their own way. According to some rumors in South Korea e-sports community, KeSPA will introduce SC2 at the middle of the 2011-2012 season, the match would be like 1set in BW, 2set in SC2, etc. And KeSPA will not allow players who plays GSL as long as they didn't join KeSPA-based pro team. And they've been thinking that BW players will eventually play SC2 at the higher level than GSL players overall. When that time comes, KeSPA will shut down GSL and kick GOM out of the Korean e-sports scene.

Believe or not, I'm just making a point that there is a super-bad blood between those two. I can mention a clear fact that you could see this at IeSF 2011 recently, they didn't even contact GOM or any SC2 teams for requesting the Korean representative of SC2, even if there are some players who are available to play competitively. Also, about some of the Article
about Korea e-sports, you could see that some media spoke Korean SC2 scene as "failed business" and it is said that KeSPA will make SC2 successfully not like GSL.

Even though, Blizzard and KeSPA are having a good mood recently. That doesn't mean, KeSPA and GOM will have the same.

We should think and watch carefully. And I'm still wondering about the 8th Pro-team (they called it "Dream-team") what they mentioned last month more than this.
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