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On May 09 2005 22:17 exalted wrote:
Lokoko2, remember when I shot you down for your shitty advice about an "UNSTOPPABLE OMG ZERG RUSH" TvZ strat? Remember when I asked you for game? Looks like you realized that you suck at Broodwar as you never responded, and now the only way you can get rseponses from good gamers is to accuse them of maphack.
I'm not going to talk about definitive proof here about Lastgosu hacking, however, I do know that teamliquidians personally don't want new players to succeed if they can't and are very apt to jump on the bandwagon fallacy and leer and jest.
The only thing I can hope is that Lastgosu, like Testie is able to prove his skill is not only on the online world in the upcomming WCG. I must say, that possibility is pretty high - look at that xanga, "favorite bands, avril lavigne" profession: "profesionnal bw player" lolroflz.
I will prove my self in 2005 WCG USA final -_- so just keep your eye on me.
I dont see any big competite if i practice enough i can handle my self to USA final.
and i ask you to dont make fun of someone's personal profile unless you know me well. that feel sucks.
If I've been USA final 2004 you wouldnt gonna said it ( prove skill in offline ) I was qualified 2004 WCG USA final. But i forfeit for some reason ( job in real life )
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poor kidder hacker :'( You have no clue about what penguin was trying to tell u. bye hacker
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you are good or not, it doesnt change the fact that: YOU HACKED
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On May 09 2005 22:17 superpenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2005 21:51 lastgosu wrote:
I click 2x 3x better then other players ( which can be more chance to make suspicious actions ) im the fastest handed TLT player. I kept my self busy all the games. just think about all the situation. not just 1~2 proof picked out!! from 80 games.....
APM average 322 Max APM 412 A small reminder here : We are not talking about suspicious actions in general, we are talking about 1 exact action, and i gave a good explainanation why this exact action could only be done by someone who is cheating. If you think i'm wrong, you have to denie that by explaining why it could be incorrect. It's not "a suspicious action", it's a particular action in a particular situation. If you can do it without cheating then you can probably walk on water too. Talking about your APM is irrelevant. As long as there is a proof against you, you cant argue about your pretended innocence with only some very subjective comments. And you cant say "i'm not the only one, check other player please". i did checked many many games, not just yours, and i realy belive that after madcow was excluded you were the only cheater left in the top 43 after over 100 replays checked. Contrary to what you can think, i didnt based my decision to check your replays from the game you played vs testie.
You checked many other games ? and you didnt find any proof ? none ? except madcow ?
what if i spend my time to find some exact <- suspicious actions as you said ?
If i can will you leave from this BW community ? if no that prooves you didnt check any reps i guarentee. otherwise say Yes! You will leave if i find some certain "ExAcT" action as you said.
Bet it ! Im ready to search !
There can be fucking more Exact actions if im certain hacker go find couple more then im gonna shut my mouse otherwise i dont want see you post anymore.
you did ? you searched ? many other players and many many games ? Im very sure this is Bull shit.
What if i find some exact action from well known legit gosu Mondi , Fisheye and manny others you gonna bann them? like just did to me ?
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Does anyone have any idea what lastgosu is saying 
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i dont wanna argue about it any longer. you are very talented and suceeded to pissing me off.
i cant even laugh either cry about this seriously im fucking sad of this community.
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it doesn't take much to see what he is saying bob - it just takes a bit of commonsense and patience. The guy is very emotional at the moment - as anyone would be if they were accused of hack and didn't hack (not saying he didn't - i'm open to either option) but he is definately very emotional about it and is grasp of written english is obvious not complete. Therefore give the kid a bit of a break. Everyone else should also settle down a bit and stop being so nasty to the guy. making fun of his photo is not very nice either.
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can someone either edit lastgosu's posts into english or like, nuke him?
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On May 09 2005 22:57 lastgosu wrote:
i dont wanna argue about it any longer. you are very talented and suceeded to pissing me off.
i cant even laugh either cry about this seriously im fucking sad of this community.
is english your first language?
I don't think you are understanding what they are saying. At 15:04, you select Nookies Nexus. You cannot see his nexus. You have not scouted it. We are not saying this is 'suspicious'. We are saying that that is impossible. How can you select a building thats not in your field of vision?
If you can find us a rep of anyone else, famous or not, where they manually select a building that they cannot see, we will not retract calling you a hacker, we will simply add whoever you caught hacking to the hacker list.
Please calm down and take a moment to read their posts. *You selected a building you cannot see*. No matter how fast you are clicking, the program of Brood War does not allow you to select buildings that are unscouted on the map. The only way that that is possible is through map hacks.
That is why they are accusing you of 100% proof.
edit - the exact time "15:04" was just a random time that i picked to illustrate my point cause i do not care enough to watch the replay.
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On May 09 2005 22:41 lastgosu wrote:
You checked many other games ? and you didnt find any proof ? none ? except madcow ?
what if i spend my time to find some exact <- suspicious actions as you said ?
If i can will you leave from this BW community ?
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What if i find some exact action from well known legit gosu Mondi , Fisheye and manny others you gonna bann them? like just did to me ?
Eheh, you can try but if you follow the method i commented, taking in account borderline cases and checking if the replay is not corrupted by watching it until the end, then you will never get an proof that can be used to accuse a legit player in a non-explainable way. But anyway, from what i have read earlyer, i'm sure you will come out with borderline case, since you didnt realy understand the method. It's not enough to see the message, you have to analyse.
If you check with bwchart + penguinplug/bwac + your eyes open on the x1 replay to know if there wasnt visibility 3 seconds before + the action is one of the 3 : "select, target, move on" + the replay is not corrupted, then you will find nothing more than some cheaters.
And no i will not leave the SC communauty for whatever reason you can imagine, isnt there enough people leaving already ?
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OT:
How do you enumerate the different players to obs in the replay with PP?
I can turn on bwac from PP, but it don't do anything.. What are the keys to select different players?
Readme don't say anything.. hmm
edit: i see thanks
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On May 09 2005 23:11 Amnesty wrote:
OT:
How do you enumerate the different players to obs in the replay with PP?
I can turn on bwac from PP, but it don't do anything.. What are the keys to select different players?
Readme don't say anything.. hmm
bwac is not pp, it's different, bwac doesnt show what other are doing, it just show the suspicious actions if there are some.
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Hmm , i watched a replay and yes, there is a suspicion in this replay vs nookie.
Lastgosu, we all a know that you can hack "smartly" if we can say that, i mean withtout clicking on target you canno't. I'm also not really convinced by tour argument of:
"The suspicion action i did, anyone did it at least once"
So i picked 5 tlt replays of players like testie, anon, ret and so on and i found 0 suspicious actions. You cannot find yourself innocent saying others are guilty too-> nonsense.
When you say "my 300 apm is too hight to give me the time to obs the map", i just answer it is mainly the reason you have been able to hack, you go fastso you can watch the map and keep your pace in the game at the same time.
I don't accuse you of hack, i am not a specialist at it but a lot of proofs and your behaviour play against you for sure.
According to my presonal point of view, you hacked, maybe just once, and you try to save your honor, i don't know, just my personal point of view.
And people that make fun of you are just stupid, they think hacker -> nolife-> ridiculous, but they are at least as no life as we can be so... I bet the pics of some of them are really hilarious.
Anyway, to defend yourself, explain how you have selected this nexus withourt obsing it and admit or proof that you re not a hacker. You can also find a replay where the same situation occurs and where there were 100% no hack.
GL 
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usa b is just a hacking team
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i'm confused - the two reps the one which was posted by loloko and the one by penguinman - which are both different reps - neither of them show any suspicious actions within bwchart. Yet bwchart is always so "loose" with what it calls a suspicious action - that even something which is marginal will be pinged. Why would these "100%" hack not show up in bwchart?
thanks for helping me...
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Tom, so much for our "only hope" ;P
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nvm - found the answer - it was a bwchart option (ignore sus events after 2 minutes..)
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I watched the replay again... well, no judgement for me.
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On May 09 2005 22:59 Verbloten wrote:
it doesn't take much to see what he is saying bob - it just takes a bit of commonsense and patience. The guy is very emotional at the moment - as anyone would be if they were accused of hack and didn't hack (not saying he didn't - i'm open to either option) but he is definately very emotional about it and is grasp of written english is obvious not complete. Therefore give the kid a bit of a break. Everyone else should also settle down a bit and stop being so nasty to the guy. making fun of his photo is not very nice either.
If he did MH, he deserves everything that is sent his way.
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