EPTand btw, the thing about proof is that its 100% accurate. the fact that you are saying only 1 proof is stupid. also any1 who played wcg usa online last year knows you hacked through it.
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FroST(TE)
United States909 Posts
and btw, the thing about proof is that its 100% accurate. the fact that you are saying only 1 proof is stupid. also any1 who played wcg usa online last year knows you hacked through it. | ||
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shizuru
Japan570 Posts
how did you click on something you could not see? | ||
uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
in the replay lolok provided, i just don't see definitive proof... if anything, i see evidence that lastgosu is NOT a hacker -- he has to scan for tanks to siege nexus on higher ground b/c he doesn't have vision... wouldn't a hacker just automatically start sieging up the cliff? (unless he was spamming "stop," scanned, then allowed for siege tank to attack, then spammed "stop" again at exactly the right moment for the scan to wear off, all to avoid getting caught <-- an unlikely scenario -_-;  "suspicious actions" detected by bwchart are not reliable at all (unless you accusers are talking about something else) so unless there's something more definite that i'm missing, "suspicion" doesn't equate proof if lastgosu does turn out to be a hacker, he will be soundly ridiculed for his posts in this thread and i will be the first to deride him. however, i think it's completely unfair and jumping to conclusions to accuse him of hacking as is... and making fun of his english and his looks or whatever is just plain childish. lastgosu, if you're not a hacker, sometimes, being falsely accused of hacking is the ultimate compliment :D | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
On May 10 2005 01:35 uhjoo wrote: in the replay lolok provided, i just don't see definitive proof... if anything, i see evidence that lastgosu is NOT a hacker -- he has to scan for tanks to siege nexus on higher ground b/c he doesn't have vision... wouldn't a hacker just automatically start sieging up the cliff? (unless he was spamming "stop," scanned, then allowed for siege tank to attack, then spammed "stop" again at exactly the right moment for the scan to wear off, all to avoid getting caught <-- an unlikely scenario -_-; That's not a proof. If he hacked, or not hacked, either way, the tanks cannot attack something in the "fog of war" | ||
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Tycho
Netherlands351 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
No, hacking does not give you extra vision. You can see the map with hacking, but your units can't. Hackers still need to scan so that their tanks will be able to shoot farther. "suspicious actions" detected by bwchart are not reliable at all (unless you accusers are talking about something else) We all know that suspicious actions does not = hack. You missed the point completely. There are many suspicious actions in every game, some are legitimate, some can only be done because of hack. Read the tutorial: http://www.starcraftdream.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4983 After reading the tutorial, you'll understand that the suspicious action caused at this instance is only possible with hack. It is not possible otherwise. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
"im too fast i have no time to scout..." | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
On May 10 2005 01:46 tfeign wrote: UHJOO: No, hacking does not give you extra vision. You can see the map with hacking, but your units can't. Hackers still need to scan so that their tanks will be able to shoot farther. We all know that suspicious actions does not = hack. You missed the point completely. There are many suspicious actions in every game, some are legitimate, some can only be done because of hack. Read the tutorial: http://www.starcraftdream.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4983 After reading the tutorial, you'll understand that the suspicious action caused at this instance is only possible with hack. It is not possible otherwise. k i've never hacked, ever even seen a maphack program, or done a huntdown of a hacker so i admit i'm completely clueless in this regard just that so many things don't add up T.T why would lastgosu post here if he's definitely caught with his pants down? that just seems like adding fuel to the fire, and sheer idiocy if indeed he is a hacker... and his play as seen in replays seems to me to just be the play of a good player o_o in the game with testie, i don't see evidence of hack either i soooo wish a definitive hack detection program were available | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On May 09 2005 16:26 sTrAtO wrote: THats what i thought -.- he must be banned from everywhere, dont let him defend, just BAN BAN BAN kakaka Why all "good" players have to hack?? is just their MANIA to be in top places... wow you got a crappy english =_= | ||
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VdP]EpiphaNy
United Kingdom992 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On May 10 2005 02:05 uhjoo wrote: k i've never hacked, ever even seen a maphack program, or done a huntdown of a hacker so i admit i'm completely clueless in this regard just that so many things don't add up T.T why would lastgosu post here if he's definitely caught with his pants down? that just seems like adding fuel to the fire, and sheer idiocy if indeed he is a hacker... and his play as seen in replays seems to me to just be the play of a good player o_o in the game with testie, i don't see evidence of hack either i soooo wish a definitive hack detection program were available Nah, he's definitely not posting here to add fuel to the fire. He's posting here to achieve sympathy and try to convince others that he doesn't hack...which is something thay many would also do under the same situation. What was proven so far is definite detection. I have been using the old BWAC program back since the days when Lasgo released it some half a year ago in conjunction with BWChart and have never witness any errors (also may I add that the old BWAC is prone to give errors to inexperienced users. Penguinplug does a much better job). There is absolutely no way that this action can be replicated without the use of hack. If you take any known Korean progamers replays and analyze them with BWAC+BWchart, you will never detect any instance of hack. Period. This action is only possible with the use of hack as far as I know and as penguin also claimed. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
On May 10 2005 02:56 TreK[cF] wrote: its not like lois did anything but bunkerrush with his high apm anyways -.-V Lastgosus words of wisdom: "do you think its possible to check enemy's base look while what he try to do, watch mini map each time and make up to 300~400 max apm ?" My analysis: His high apm was just a cover. He felt he had to boost his apm with around 300% in order to look gosu even when he wasnt. He clearly has no understanding of WHY its good to have high apm..  | ||
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1hp
Korea (South)903 Posts
wow you got a crappy japanese, portugese, latin, aboriginal, whatever eskimos speak, american indian, chinese, etc =_= | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4522 Posts
lastgosu, please stfu, it's not about fucking suspiscious actions so keep that word out of your mouth. You did one action which cannot be explained by any other fucking way than maphack. So stop saying you didn't maphack. and other people should defend penguinplug more cuz this lastgosu guy has no clue wtf he is talking about but he rambles up huge fucking posts of bullshit which only say 'i made on suspiscious wtf wtf wtf this isnt hack !' and it actually seems to make people think it's possible he didnt hack lol. | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
Lastgosu if you can't understand english clearly we can translate it to you, you didn't a suspicious action, you did an IMPOSSIBLE action. You hacked. Why don't recognize it and say "sorry, I won't do it anymore"? It will be smarter IMO | ||
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[Random]Digen
United Kingdom195 Posts
unless it was tested with one guy hacking and stuff then id be looking like an idiot right now... | ||
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Svampis
Sweden109 Posts
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superpenguin
France199 Posts
On May 10 2005 04:08 [Random]Digen wrote: im not defending or anything..but just because 1 program said he did an impossible action, doesnt actually prove he did it. it could be a program set to accuse and 'prove' everyone of hacking!! unless it was tested with one guy hacking and stuff then id be looking like an idiot right now... that's why its possible to check the proof completely with 2 different programs : bwchart or penguinplug. It's more conveniant to use penguinplug to find the proof, but you can understand and validate it with only bwchart + watching the replay. | ||
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Twitt
United States733 Posts
On May 10 2005 04:08 [Random]Digen wrote: then id be looking like an idiot right now... Well atleast part of your post was accurate and on point. Unfortunately, getting part right doesnt save you from being retarded. :/ | ||
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