I searched TL and I couldn't find anything related to jaedong after the news that oz will be disbanded.
I checked the oz disband thread but there are a lot of pages there and most are just speculating and hoping. I also checked jaedong twitter account thread but I only found some posts that jd tweeted about "change", again there's no confirmation, only speculation.
Anyway, is there any update with the Tyrant? I'm sure most of us are wondering where is he going now? Is there a company that will acquire Oz, or is there any ongoing negotiations at least? Is there a team that's going to acquire jaedong? Or is he moving to sc2?
If there's no update, then we can only wait and see...
On September 22 2011 07:36 IntoTheheart wrote: SKT/CJ/SamSung/KT are some of the only teams that can afford him though...
Or is he being put up on a different price?
STX probably has the money to afford him considering they won't have Kal anymore.
Now that would be interesting. Depending on how the other top players from disbanded teams get spread around, this could make for a very interesting season.
if any of the other Taek Bang Lee Ssang is on the same team as Jaedong, it would make it insane. Bisu,Fantasy, and Jaedong?!! Stork, Jangbi(esp after the osl) and Jaedong?!! I guess Flash and Jaedong wouldn't be too bad.... OH WAIT...... Hoping for Khan though
On September 22 2011 08:00 DyEnasTy wrote: Jaedong to KT gogogogo
FlaSh @ 650k = No other S-class. Stats is getting a huge ass salary boost. Maybe put Action up on free agency (I didn't like his performance at all this season) and try bringing in Jaedong? I swear though if SKT buys out Jaedong, I'll stop following Starcraft. SKT can't have that deep of pockets, and still make things interesting for Proleague.
Some wild rumours on PlayXP about JD switching to SC2 after being spotted at the oGs house. You know how internet rumours (especially korean) are though. I hope this isn't the case. He still has so much to give to BW.
On September 22 2011 08:00 DyEnasTy wrote: Jaedong to KT gogogogo
FlaSh @ 650k = No other S-class. Stats is getting a huge ass salary boost. Maybe put Action up on free agency (I didn't like his performance at all this season) and try bringing in Jaedong? I swear though if SKT buys out Jaedong, I'll stop following Starcraft. SKT can't have that deep of pockets, and still make things interesting for Proleague.
On September 22 2011 09:33 Telcontar wrote: Some wild rumours on PlayXP about JD switching to SC2 after being spotted at the oGs house. You know how internet rumours (especially korean) are though. I hope this isn't the case. He still has so much to give to BW.
wow JD was spotted at the ogs house? I doubt he's switching to sc2. If he does it would both be exciting and depressing to me. I would like to see how he does in sc2 but then I can't ever watch him play bw again .
On September 22 2011 09:33 Telcontar wrote: Some wild rumours on PlayXP about JD switching to SC2 after being spotted at the oGs house. You know how internet rumours (especially korean) are though. I hope this isn't the case. He still has so much to give to BW.
Jaedong is friends with oGsGon, a former Oz player. He recently had a few friendly Twitter conversations with Gon and Nada, so I guess it's appropriate that he meets up with old friends once in a while, especially since there aren't really any games going on right now.
Leta once randomly showed up to the GOM foreigner house, and he played SC2 for the first time there with Doa, Wolf, and friends. Despite mainly just screwing around and being completely new to the game, Leta managed to pummel all the commentators.
I think a lot of BW pros still interact with their friends in the SC2 scene, so I think such rumors should be taken with a grain of salt.
Don't want to distract thread, but yeah, if you lived with someone and played sc with them 12 hr/day you probably would want to keep in touch/are friends/visit occasionally.
I mean, zergbong went to things like the KT's coach wedding and leta visited twilight who had been sparkyz. Almost all the old sc1 players went to yellow's retirement game (troll boxer gave him a copy of sc2). It's just people meeting with old friends if true.
JD to stx would be interesting, didn't think about it in terms of stx not having to pay Kal's salary anymore.
On September 22 2011 08:13 Doraemon wrote: JD to stx is the most logical for a balanced league
I think Jaedong suffers when he is depended on by the whole team. STX isn't all bad but if Jaedong went there I expect Jaedong would continue to suffer. On the other hand if he goes to a team that already wins often, I think his gameplay will improve which is good for fans. STX would likely be paying a lot of money they should spend on other players because I don't think Jaedong can do very well with them (he'll do okay, but it'll be overpriced). Jaedong with Flash would be interesting, but if that happened I don't know if anyone in proleague would have an answer to KT besides SKT (since Bisu is basically the Jaedong sniper).
I don't feel like Jaedong will move to SC2. I think he's got one more milestone to pass with BW, which is to get a 4th OSL win (never been done before) which will define his skill (especially since these days Flash is getting put into a category higher than him by a lot of people). He's still going pretty deep into the leagues, so that's something that's hard to let go of. If he lets go of it, I think he'll let go of professional games all together. For a competitor like Jaedong, SC2 doesn't offer much prestige right now, so I would be truly shocked if Jaedong did that.
On September 22 2011 10:48 Chef wrote: Jaedong with Flash would be interesting, but if that happened I don't know if anyone in proleague would have an answer to KT besides SKT (since Bisu is basically the zerg raper).
On September 22 2011 08:13 Doraemon wrote: JD to stx is the most logical for a balanced league
I think Jaedong suffers when he is depended on by the whole team. STX isn't all bad but if Jaedong went there I expect Jaedong would continue to suffer. On the other hand if he goes to a team that already wins often, I think his gameplay will improve which is good for fans. STX would likely be paying a lot of money they should spend on other players because I don't think Jaedong can do very well with them (he'll do okay, but it'll be overpriced). Jaedong with Flash would be interesting, but if that happened I don't know if anyone in proleague would have an answer to KT besides SKT (since Bisu is basically the Jaedong sniper).
I don't feel like Jaedong will move to SC2. I think he's got one more milestone to pass with BW, which is to get a 4th OSL win (never been done before) which will define his skill (especially since these days Flash is getting put into a category higher than him by a lot of people). He's still going pretty deep into the leagues, so that's something that's hard to let go of. If he lets go of it, I think he'll let go of professional games all together. For a competitor like Jaedong, SC2 doesn't offer much prestige right now, so I would be truly shocked if Jaedong did that.
I think bogus/calm/shuttle/hyvaa is a big improvement for backup compared to killer/hiya/shy/perfectman. especially with bogus, STX can put out a reliable terran player on ace maps instead of always having to play JD no matter what (ever since 2008 winners league ended, hiya was never able to step it up like how forgg did back when he was on Oz).
trying to think rationally though, the only teams that could honestly afford JD right now are STX and maybe KHAN. KT and SKT1 probably can't afford another S-class player (or can they? lol) and CJ seems pretty stacked with effort/hydra/leta (not sure how much they are being paid though).
it'd probably be most fun/balanced if JD was put on a new team created out of the 3 disbanded teams (jd/baby/shine/sea sounds pretty good, and if wookie went there too and proves to become a strong new protoss, that'd be really great).
JD to stx would be the best move imo, stx will need a real ace to keep up with kt, cj, skt, samsung if JD went to kt/skt the season could be called right there and PL victor practically crowned on the spot cj or samsung would be fine but probably wouldnt be quite the right fit for JD stx needs the talent, and would be a great place for him, as from what i know they treat their players rather well, which would be great for JD
edit: i wasnt really thinking, but now i realize that a brand new team could be formed from all the teams that have collapsed and that team would definitely have the potential to compete
Jaedong to Samsung Khan will definitely place it in the top 4 teams. I want JD, Jangbi and Stork to reach the playoff finals and own up winner's league. This is my initial impression and I'm sticking with it!!!!
JD to STX, I resonate with that particular train of thought. As MUCH as I'd love to see JD team up with the best players, the League and interest is more priority. We can't just have JD+Flash demolishing everything left and right on KT, BW might take a hit from that.
As long as JD doesn't retire, I would be happy with wherever he chooses to go. Even a switch to SC2 would be better than retiring...... I don't know what I'd do if he left. That would be so messed up...man..so anxious just waiting to hear the news.
although now without great, khan REALLY needs a decent zerg. their only zerg right now that even has an ELO is Juni lol. or i guess KHAN could just decide to stop the charade and say "fuck it" and only field protoss for the entirety of next season lol.
hopefully at least one of killer/jd/shine/roro/hyun goes to KHAN.
On September 22 2011 08:13 Doraemon wrote: JD to stx is the most logical for a balanced league
I think Jaedong suffers when he is depended on by the whole team. STX isn't all bad but if Jaedong went there I expect Jaedong would continue to suffer. On the other hand if he goes to a team that already wins often, I think his gameplay will improve which is good for fans. STX would likely be paying a lot of money they should spend on other players because I don't think Jaedong can do very well with them (he'll do okay, but it'll be overpriced). Jaedong with Flash would be interesting, but if that happened I don't know if anyone in proleague would have an answer to KT besides SKT (since Bisu is basically the Jaedong sniper).
I don't feel like Jaedong will move to SC2. I think he's got one more milestone to pass with BW, which is to get a 4th OSL win (never been done before) which will define his skill (especially since these days Flash is getting put into a category higher than him by a lot of people). He's still going pretty deep into the leagues, so that's something that's hard to let go of. If he lets go of it, I think he'll let go of professional games all together. For a competitor like Jaedong, SC2 doesn't offer much prestige right now, so I would be truly shocked if Jaedong did that.
I think bogus/calm/shuttle/hyvaa is a big improvement for backup compared to killer/hiya/shy/perfectman. especially with bogus, STX can put out a reliable terran player on ace maps instead of always having to play JD no matter what (ever since 2008 winners league ended, hiya was never able to step it up like how forgg did back when he was on Oz).
trying to think rationally though, the only teams that could honestly afford JD right now are STX and maybe KHAN. KT and SKT1 probably can't afford another S-class player (or can they? lol) and CJ seems pretty stacked with effort/hydra/leta (not sure how much they are being paid though).
it'd probably be most fun/balanced if JD was put on a new team created out of the 3 disbanded teams (jd/baby/shine/sea sounds pretty good, and if wookie went there too and proves to become a strong new protoss, that'd be really great).
oh man post just reminded me about shy. poor guy was having his break out season and then to have his team disband just as he's finally catching a break what a shame.
The KT fan complaining about the amount of money SKT spends is very amusing.
I'm still holding out for Jaedong to be playing for Korean Air next season... ... if not that, then to CJ with HiyA. Jaedong, HiyA, Leta is like my dream team of adorable cuteness.
Khan has never been a team to spend, there were issues with JangBi and Stork, because they were basically trying to short them their due. However, with great leaving, and JangBi winning an OSL, maybe they'll spend for once?
I don't really see CJ spending on Jaedong, because they've always had deep rosters and developed home-grown talent.
Maybe KT? I'm sure Flash would be all for it. Flash had previously said he joined another team it would be Hwaseung to be in the same time with JD. However, Flash has seemingly surpassed him now so maybe thats no longer true. KT did just re-contract Flash, but with JD onboard they may finally break all their curses. However, maybe they have faith in HoeJJa's development?
STX? They are restructuring their team and potentially have the most money available, but I don't know how much STX is willing to spend.
SKT? They probably have the money, but (last I heard) they still hadn't fully completed Bisu's new contract so I don't know if they decide to let Bisu walk and make a grab at JD or try to sign both. Would be difficult, but possible.
So where will JD end up? No idea. Let's wait and see ^^
(God, I swear there were more teams with sponsors, but its only those 4.. BW.. TT_TT)
JD move to STX after kal leaves. Ironic that Kal will remain JD's bitch. Combining FOX with JD would make fox a stronger vZ team in general. I don't think mbc will be affected much though.
On September 22 2011 12:48 jonathanlingle wrote: EGJaedong plz
Hell no.
Considering the number of SC2 players that are former BW pros, it's not surprising to see famous BW players visit old buddies once in a while.
And the SC2 Korean scene simply doesn't have same amount of money floating around as BW yet. So unless Jaedong feels he's rich enough and can fool around, like Boxer or Nada, there's no way he's leaving BW yet. HotS or OGN broadcasting SC2 may change that, so we'll see what it's like next year.
If Oz is confirmed to disband, I hope he joins STX or some of the other weaker teams.
On September 22 2011 08:18 bearbuddy wrote: Wait... since when has Khan been a big spender?
Since never. JD to Khan won't happen, as much as I'd like it to.
JD to STX is most likely I think. They give their players good salaries, and one of their top salaried players from last season is no longer on the payroll, freeing up money to pay Jaedong.
SKT and KT are, of course, always possibilities. I really, REALLY hope that doesn't happen.
I hate these discussion because I love OZ Hope he goes to a team that will support him to get to his former power because I am sure he has been feeling down due to the disband so I hope the new team gets him back on his feet asap, whether it iSSTX or KHAN (I hope)
and I REALLLLLLYY hope that KiLLeR goes to the same team as him, I love minidong + dong being together
I don't think Jaedong's parents would let him swap to SC2 or even continue to play BW for less than he is currently earning. I know there was a lot of fuss the last time his contract was up for negotiation.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
the point is that even with star power, if a game isnt fun to watch, it still wont be fun to watch. even some of BWs most creative players cant do anything that makes it fun to watch. hype =/= a good spectator sport.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
the point is that even with star power, if a game isnt fun to watch, it still wont be fun to watch. even some of BWs most creative players cant do anything that makes it fun to watch. hype =/= a good spectator sport.
jaedong play soccer? MMA mention in the Code S interview SlayerS play soccer with Hwauzeng Oz and they beat Oz 6-5 =) i wonder if jaedong is there. interview
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
the point is that even with star power, if a game isnt fun to watch, it still wont be fun to watch. even some of BWs most creative players cant do anything that makes it fun to watch. hype =/= a good spectator sport.
Well thats your opinion of course. While I do find Bw more entertaining I also find sc2 entertaining (when there isn't cheese constantly ). So while you and a lot of other bw players may not like it doesn't mean its boring to watch.
But still I really kind of hope jaedong doesn't move to sc2 yet I want him to win 2 more championships. Also with jaedong being 4-0 vs flash in their last 4 times playing I would like to see if Jaedong can take flash in a bo5 again. I always know he can but he seems to play silly sometimes so with his better shape in zvt would love to see it. He just has to fix zvz so he can make it to the finals again >>
On September 22 2011 13:01 NB wrote: the most recent update on JD would be Oz played and losed a soccer game to SlayerS and Jeadong visit oGs/TL team house according to HuK's twitter
Actually, I heard Huk was just joking and it was actually oGsHero, who some people say has the face of Jaedong and the hair of Bisu. Huk has joked that Hero looks like Bisu before.
LorangerChris Chris Loranger omg jaedong is at ogs house, i attacked him and he got all shy LOL 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
LorangerChris Chris Loranger o nevermind it was just @liquid_hero 2 minutes ago
I can't seem to find the Tweets on Huk's Twitter, so I'm just using what I found in the GSL Code A Day 2 thread.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
the point is that even with star power, if a game isnt fun to watch, it still wont be fun to watch. even some of BWs most creative players cant do anything that makes it fun to watch. hype =/= a good spectator sport.
You get a completely different hype and feel if a player of JD's skill switches to SC2. Boxer/Nada brought star power but they were no longer in their primes when they made the switch, yet they still made Code S and at times dominated. You get a bw player of the highest caliber, in his prime, to play sc2 and you get some serious interest. Who wouldnt want to see and find out just how good a top 2 bw player could be in sc2. It would be insanity and would go a long way to get korean bw fans to finally make the switch to sc2.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
the point is that even with star power, if a game isnt fun to watch, it still wont be fun to watch. even some of BWs most creative players cant do anything that makes it fun to watch. hype =/= a good spectator sport.
Whether or not something is fun to watch is personal opinion anyways. No need to drag anything or anyone through the mud.
I personally hope JD gets picked up by anyone but KT. JD v Flash games are one of the things that can still keep me up to watch a BW game live, so the more of those possibilities floating around the better!
JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
I believe no one could afford him because of the insane rule that a buying team would have to pay double salary (half to JD (his new salary), and then half to the team they bought him from). so if a team wanted to sign JD for 300k, they would have to also pay that much to Oz. it's pretty retarded.
although I remember hearing that STX almost did that anyway, but decided not to because JD wanted to stay with Oz (I think JD actually had little official say in where he ended up?).
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
I believe no one could afford him because of the insane rule that a buying team would have to pay double salary (half to JD (his new salary), and then half to the team they bought him from). so if a team wanted to sign JD for 300k, they would have to also pay that much to Oz. it's pretty retarded.
although I remember hearing that STX almost did that anyway, but decided not to because JD wanted to stay with Oz (I think JD actually had little official say in where he ended up?).
there was a gentleman's agreeement between the teams that skt couldn't sign him because it would ruin proleague.
I want a merger to happen to be honest... While everyone will cry that its too stacked, there are tons of examples where dream-teams fail to execute and IF a merger happened no way would a sponser pick up every single player from the three teams, which means other A-class talent could go to other teams.
Personally, I think a merger, where the team has to prove themselves, and JD has to prove he's the ace of the team will force JD to remedy the current flaws in his game (god damn ZvZ!!!!) and become rage mode again
... And plz... plz... PLZ no JD to SC2... then I'll have to start following it... lol
With so many teams disbanded, I want to see new teams being formed, with new sponsors. And Jaedong becoming the leader of such promising new team. It suits him better than fitting among the stars of any of the other current teams. Such push may help him rise again to the very top.
On September 22 2011 13:01 NB wrote: the most recent update on JD would be Oz played and losed a soccer game to SlayerS and Jeadong visit oGs/TL team house according to HuK's twitter
Um, wasn't that a joke? As in, Huk said Jaedong was there and then said "oh wait it's just Hero"?
On September 22 2011 16:41 jjhchsc2 wrote: lmao if JD switches to sc2 i will switch back to zerg. I think if STX buy him it would be good. but what about the rest of Oz?
I don't want to see Jaedong on either SKT or KT... proleague games between these three player's respective teams get so intense because everyone pretty much expects a JvF, JvB, or FvB on the Ace match, which never fails to deliver in entertainment value.
On September 22 2011 08:00 DyEnasTy wrote: Jaedong to KT gogogogo
FlaSh @ 650k = No other S-class. Stats is getting a huge ass salary boost. Maybe put Action up on free agency (I didn't like his performance at all this season) and try bringing in Jaedong? I swear though if SKT buys out Jaedong, I'll stop following Starcraft. SKT can't have that deep of pockets, and still make things interesting for Proleague.
On September 22 2011 13:01 NB wrote: the most recent update on JD would be Oz played and losed a soccer game to SlayerS and Jeadong visit oGs/TL team house according to HuK's twitter
Um, wasn't that a joke? As in, Huk said Jaedong was there and then said "oh wait it's just Hero"?
Huk just played soccer with the combined team of oGs/Oz vs some famous celebrities
1. Jaedong to CJ would be weird. Hydra / Effort / Jaedong?!?! They'd either be fielding at least three Zergs every match, or one of these players wouldn't even be sent out. And then the Ace match... I can imagine the opposing coach: "We thought they'd send out Jaedong, but they sent out Effort, we were totally out-maneuvered... oh wait..."
2. Jaedong to KT... can you imagine practice time, Jaedong and Flash going at it every day? I feel like they'd be hospitalized for exhaustion by the third week of proleague.
3. Jaedong to SKT, means that SKT would be hideously overpowered with three top players. Which is pretty much the situation for SKT without Jaedong.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
Haha that made me giggle.
Also funny how its complete different from traditional P>T>Z>P
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
Around a year agoish, it was established that that was the way tlpd plays Pokemon
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
Well, Proleague really does need at least eight teams. Seven doesn't fit right. The only way I see a new sponsor coming in (Jin Air/Korean Air most likely) to take over a team is if they have a true star player they can invest in. That would be Jaedong. So hopefully OZ can fuse with one of Fox and MBC, get a new team name, and survive with a new sponsor.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
Funny how that Bisu of yours never really hit anyone in the OSLs.
If Jaedong goes to STX it's going to be the worst thing that has happened since the betting scandal. And I'll probably die in a fit of rage. Even switching to SC2 is more desirable at this point, nevermind that he'll probably screw himself out of the chance to win the golden badge.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
Funny how that Bisu of yours never really hit anyone in the OSLs.
I can assure you I would never describe BIsu as "mine".
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
Ghaa Jaedong needs to win 2 more OSLs before he switches.. PLEASE GOD PLEASE!
I'd be happy with 1 OSL and this final MSL. He needs to get that golden badge.
Yeah, he really needs this final MSL. The 4th OSL would also work as well. ^^
On the issue of teams, it seems like STX would be the best for keeping a balanced league. The fact that the management or coach (I forget which) originally put up basically ALL the players for trade or something makes me think something's odd there.
I would rather JD go to Khan or KT, if he has to go to one of the remaining teams. He would completely solve Khan's current Zerg problem, and Oz and Khan seemed pretty close. Jaedong would be a great fit at KT as well, since him and Flash are good friends, and KT treats their players pretty well.
Please not SKT, though. SKT has been the destroyer of zergs (or at least ones they bought).
On September 23 2011 02:27 Kanil wrote:
I can assure you I would never describe BIsu as "mine".
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
I would rather JD go to Khan or KT, if he has to go to one of the remaining teams. He would completely solve Khan's current Zerg problem, and Oz and Khan seemed pretty close. Jaedong would be a great fit at KT as well, since him and Flash are good friends, and KT treats their players pretty well.
Please not SKT, though. SKT has been the destroyer of zergs (or at least ones they bought).
I mainly agree with you, I would be okey with Jaedong going to either STX or Khan, preferably Khan. Just not SKT!!
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
Funny how that Bisu of yours never really hit anyone in the OSLs.
I can assure you I would never describe BIsu as "mine".
I was just going along with your 'my fist is Bisu' metaphor.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
120 $ worth expansions might even kill SC2 in korea...
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
I always play Bisu in Bisu paper scissors. Bisu beats paper and scissors. If you disagree, I'll punch you in the face with my Bisu.
Funny how that Bisu of yours never really hit anyone in the OSLs.
I can assure you I would never describe BIsu as "mine".
I was just going along with your 'my fist is Bisu' metaphor.
Pffshht Bisu ain't no fist. Bisu is like a soft rainbow studded pillow made out of unicornfur, stuffed with the softest peacockfeathers known in the fairykingdom.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
you've got it all wrong. Recently, almost everyone has been playing poor TvZ; Jaedong's ZvT looks fantastic by comparison. Once Flash recovers, no doubt he will destroy JD, but JD is still likely to beat everyone else (except Bisu)
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
you've got it all wrong. Recently, almost everyone has been playing poor TvZ; Jaedong's ZvT looks fantastic by comparison. Once Flash recovers, no doubt he will destroy JD, but JD is still likely to beat everyone else (except Bisu)
Hopefully jaedong vs flash happens again so you can eat your words
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
Very true. Did u know that recently Flash successfully did his wrist surgery and is now ready to rape once again? :D
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
you've got it all wrong. Recently, almost everyone has been playing poor TvZ; Jaedong's ZvT looks fantastic by comparison. Once Flash recovers, no doubt he will destroy JD, but JD is still likely to beat everyone else (except Bisu)
Hopefully jaedong vs flash happens again so you can eat your words
Fuck yes. They need to meet again in a Starleague final so that JD can show what's what. Unfortunately, he'll probably roll ZvZs at earlier rounds and get knocked out.
What if the 3 disbanding teams merged into one by a new company? Jaedong, Sea and Baby on the same team. Could work. But only big teams have good protoss. I never understood that.
On September 23 2011 11:48 gustavohmp wrote: What if the 3 disbanding teams merged into one by a new company? Jaedong, Sea and Baby on the same team. Could work. But only big teams have good protoss. I never understood that.
Mbc protoss has been doing really well , especially Enigma Jaehoon...
The Tyrant, the God of Destruction, the Emo Bonjwa, his is ultimately a tragic tale in the epic pantheons of BW. Hopefully someday Jaedong will have something to smile about
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
On September 23 2011 14:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
On September 23 2011 14:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
Tiara Hwaiting!
what the hell is tiara ?
I guess he is talking about Tara. You know, the KPOP group.
On September 22 2011 09:33 Telcontar wrote: Some wild rumours on PlayXP about JD switching to SC2 after being spotted at the oGs house. You know how internet rumours (especially korean) are though. I hope this isn't the case. He still has so much to give to BW.
While I agree that JD could definitely stay at the top of the BW scene for a long time I would also LOVE to see a player at his level tackle SC2. I think I'll be happy no matter what he decides, which will more than likely be sticking with BW since he gets paid so much.
The dong may go to sc2, don't be quick to rule that out
Not sure what is more painful to watch hims losing or this ^^ Ouch.
As much as i would like him to play sc2, i would rather see him in BW for a year or so, sc2 is still volitile and the money you make is so small compared to BW the structure is just not there yet for a great player like JD.
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
On September 23 2011 04:48 Telcontar wrote: I was just going along with your 'my fist is Bisu' metaphor.
Okay, okay. I just take Bisu fan accusations very seriously.
On September 23 2011 14:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
The dong may go to sc2, don't be quick to rule that out
Not sure what is more painful to watch hims losing or this ^^ Ouch.
As much as i would like him to play sc2, i would rather see him in BW for a year or so, sc2 is still volitile and the money you make is so small compared to BW the structure is just not there yet for a great player like JD.
I hope though he will not retire.
Salary wise SC2 definitely cannot provide what he can get in BW. Prize money wise, if he travels, probably stands to make more, but its much riskier at the moment for him. Unless he is uber good and can take win after win, he could be sacrificing a lot of consistency.
On September 23 2011 14:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
Tiara Hwaiting!
*blinks confusedly* Wat.
Not sure if this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know if the Oz players are still practicing/staying at the Oz house, because I think they could only stay until the end of this month? =(
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
120 $ worth expansions might even kill SC2 in korea...
The game is cheaper over there, and blizz would not charge 60 dollars for the expansion. Just not happening.
On September 23 2011 14:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I still think Jaedong to Tiara is the best moving forward. MBCMusic is going to need an all star roster and Jaedong being played as either intro or anchor to Tiara would seriously make them a force to be reckoned with. I am pretty sure they can afford it now since they opened up a few spots recently, but I am still worried that he will not have had enough practice in the transitional period to next season to properly sync his lip micro to his teammates and the match at hand. Time will tell I guess.
Tiara Hwaiting!
*blinks confusedly* Wat.
Not sure if this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know if the Oz players are still practicing/staying at the Oz house, because I think they could only stay until the end of this month? =(
They moved out on the 22nd of September.
On September 23 2011 23:41 Nesto wrote: hmm, when is the next season starting anyway (usually started in october, didn't it)?
shouldn't there be any news out anytime soon? I mean it's hard to plan a new season without knowing how many teams there'll be
Why would Jaedong switch to SC2 when he makes more money in BW? Also, with all he's invested into BW, I doubt he would leave it so easily.
If you look at the former BW pros and semi-pros who switched to SC2, then there are players like Nada, Boxer and July who was very successful, but who at the time didn't have the tools or talent to deal with the new generation of players. Neither of them were Starleague material at that point. These players have made a lot of money, and they probably still made a lot money, because of their name value. These players obviously wasn't content with being second-rate progamers though, so they switched because they needed a new challenge.
Then there are players who never really made it as a BW progamer, like MVP, MC and MarineKing. These players didn't make it for one of two reason, because they were impatient and didn't give BW enough time or effort, or because they weren't talented enough. For them it made sense to switch to SC2, because they didn't make any money playing BW, so it was a fairly risk free move.
If you look at these facts, it makes absolutely no sense why Jaedong would switch, as long as BW is still going.
On September 24 2011 04:25 ninini wrote: Why would Jaedong switch to SC2 when he makes more money in BW? Also, with all he's invested into BW, I doubt he would leave it so easily.
If you look at the former BW pros and semi-pros who switched to SC2, then there are players like Nada, Boxer and July who was very successful, but who at the time didn't have the tools or talent to deal with the new generation of players. Neither of them were Starleague material at that point. These players have made a lot of money, and they probably still made a lot money, because of their name value. These players obviously wasn't content with being second-rate progamers though, so they switched because they needed a new challenge.
Then there are players who never really made it as a BW progamer, like MVP, MC and MarineKing. These players didn't make it for one of two reason, because they were impatient and didn't give BW enough time or effort, or because they weren't talented enough. For them it made sense to switch to SC2, because they didn't make any money playing BW, so it was a fairly risk free move.
If you look at these facts, it makes absolutely no sense why Jaedong would switch, as long as BW is still going.
Common we are in brood war forum... we no need no education. Anyway its just hype. Better keep you rage on SC2 propaganda articles. Such articles were to promote SC2 writers bring up bw history and at the same time neglect bw.
On September 24 2011 04:25 ninini wrote: Why would Jaedong switch to SC2 when he makes more money in BW? Also, with all he's invested into BW, I doubt he would leave it so easily.
If you look at the former BW pros and semi-pros who switched to SC2, then there are players like Nada, Boxer and July who was very successful, but who at the time didn't have the tools or talent to deal with the new generation of players. Neither of them were Starleague material at that point. These players have made a lot of money, and they probably still made a lot money, because of their name value. These players obviously wasn't content with being second-rate progamers though, so they switched because they needed a new challenge.
Then there are players who never really made it as a BW progamer, like MVP, MC and MarineKing. These players didn't make it for one of two reason, because they were impatient and didn't give BW enough time or effort, or because they weren't talented enough. For them it made sense to switch to SC2, because they didn't make any money playing BW, so it was a fairly risk free move.
If you look at these facts, it makes absolutely no sense why Jaedong would switch, as long as BW is still going.
Common we are in brood war forum... we no need no education. Anyway its just hype. Better keep you rage on SC2 propaganda articles. Such articles were to promote SC2 writers bring up bw history and at the same time neglect bw.
No one with a lick of sense would argue the potential consistency BW money offers for players of Jaedong's caliber. It is only being brought up now by some people because at the moment, as far as we know, he isn't making a dime. He needs a new BW home before these rumor can be definitively squashed.
Yeah that soccer thing doesn't say anything Oz was also playing against slayers a few days back that's just what they do I'd say^^
He'll make a decision, if he actually does switch, he'll remain as my favorite player overall. If he stays in BW (which I hope will happen): the same just another game.
I will also keep watching BW as long as I can see games like jangbi vs. fantasy I mean come on guys!!
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
120 $ worth expansions might even kill SC2 in korea...
The game is cheaper over there, and blizz would not charge 60 dollars for the expansion. Just not happening.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
120 $ worth expansions might even kill SC2 in korea...
The game is cheaper over there, and blizz would not charge 60 dollars for the expansion. Just not happening.
On September 22 2011 10:13 fabiano wrote: God forbid Jaedong to KT, or even SKT.
I think SC2 is way too lame of a game for Jaedong, but he might have no other choice if no other team can afford his salary.
And if he indeed switches, then SC2 lameness will be diminished because he will find a way to make it actually fun.
if boxer and july can't make SC2 fun, how would JD make it fun?
a player of jaedong's calibre would bring an amazing amount of hype to the stagnating pro sc2 scene in korea.
either way, people look too deep into netizen rumors/comments. of course jd is just visiting his old lecaf team mates -_-
Is the scene really stagnating in Korea, asking because I haven't seen tons of stuff about GSL failing and what not. Its never been huge in terms of spectators or people watching but I haven't got the impression people are already losing interest.
You actually mentioned the reason for its stagnation: it's the fact that it doesn't have the huge spectating in Korea when you contrast it with BW.
Because of that, it doesn't seem like people are losing interest because there wasn't a huge number that had interest in the first place. All of the are diehards staying around, while the few casual fans are fading away, thus it makes it seem like it isn't losing any steam.
There's certainly potential for SC2 in Korea once the expansions start rolling out, add that to the already huge popularity around the rest of the world and you'll have a game that may stay around for a while.
120 $ worth expansions might even kill SC2 in korea...
The game is cheaper over there, and blizz would not charge 60 dollars for the expansion. Just not happening.
On September 23 2011 23:54 Skeggaba wrote: No please dont quit BW and go to SCII, i would feel that that would be a definite end to my BW watching "career". Jaedong rave on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESO0HMAmwCI
I remember some interview on that. I think his coach said "he's been dancing more than he's been playing starcraft."
I don't think KT can get JD. They have Flash I think most of their money is tied to him. SKT might be able to...but i think STX and Khan will probably have a chance. maybe sneaky CJ will find a way too. Who knows I guess we'll see?
Personally I don't think JD will switch. No matter how good he is, he has a better and stable salary in BW. I hope he doesn't anyway.
People whom has switched are mostly gamers who didn't make anything in BW. It will probably be that way for a good while.
if jaedong moves to sc2, it would be the nail in the coffin for BW. in any case, whoever gets jaedong has to pay a lot of $$$; Korean SC2 teams are obviously at a disadvantage here...but who knows, they might be able to front the cash for Dong.
You know if JD switches to SC2 .. Blizzard is going to delay their expansion for a good 6 months to a year .. JD is game breaking .. I hope he doesn't switch. Aside from Flash & Bisu, other BW players just seems fodder for the scene and it's saddening ~.~
On September 24 2011 12:56 aimaimaim wrote: You know if JD switches to SC2 .. Blizzard is going to delay their expansion for a good 6 months to a year .. JD is game breaking .. I hope he doesn't switch. Aside from Flash & Bisu, other BW players just seems fodder for the scene and it's saddening ~.~
There's no reason to switch when you are already so dominant in a game though. There is still a reasonable level of stability left, and corporate money still involved in teams. I have a strong feeling he will be purchased by another proteam, and not switch... Yet.
Although I would absolutely do anything to see JD switch to SC2... He's the love of my gaming life <3~
I get how alot of people dont like the idea of jaedong switching to sc2... but there are a decent amount of people that would love to see it as well. However, a point I keep reading across this thread is "why would he switch when there is still so much money left in bw", and I just cant help but think how much money a foreign team (ex. EG, complexity) would pay to have him on their team without even making a splash into the sc2 scene prior. I kind of think a legend like jaedong would get a decent salary from switching, and I also remember that article a while back of him talking about how he eventually plans to switch and looks forward to promoting his name internationally. This is all just pure theory, and there still is not anything out there 100% suggesting that he is even considering switching to sc2 yet.
On September 24 2011 14:18 Endymion wrote: i wonder where he'll go =[ i read somewhere that he may be going to SC2 but i don't remember if it was just a SC2 player flaming or not
Last thing I remember was he saying it would take at least 4 years.
He expressed interest in SC2 months ago, and he said he would love to travel the world and compete in various tournaments, which he can do in SC2.
His brand name is so strong he would have zero trouble getting companies behind him sending him to MLG, Dreamhack and all those tournaments. So SC2 is a possibility.
I don't think any teams in SC2 has $200k+ sitting around to hire a new player atm...pretty sure no salary in SC2 comes even close to what Jaedong makes in BW.
On September 24 2011 14:43 Trickstaloki wrote: I don't think any teams in SC2 has $200k+ sitting around to hire a new player atm...pretty sure no salary in SC2 comes even close to what Jaedong makes in BW.
yup this is pretty much why the chances of him moving to sc2 is slim. The best scenario would be if the entire Oz team moved to SC2 with jaedong. Same sponsors and all. haha but KESPA would never let that fly.
On September 24 2011 14:18 Endymion wrote: i wonder where he'll go =[ i read somewhere that he may be going to SC2 but i don't remember if it was just a SC2 player flaming or not
Last thing I remember was he saying it would take at least 4 years.
I just want to say this is wrong. Flash said something like 5 years but jaedong said this "It could be tomorrow, it could be a couple of years who knows". He doesn't know when he will switch so I am guessing if he can't get a salary he is happy with or something else happens he will switch to sc2.
I still would be sad if he moved to sc2, and want him to at the same time. I just hope news of something comes soon I am so curious what team he is joining or what his plan is!
On September 24 2011 14:18 Endymion wrote: i wonder where he'll go =[ i read somewhere that he may be going to SC2 but i don't remember if it was just a SC2 player flaming or not
Last thing I remember was he saying it would take at least 4 years.
I just want to say this is wrong. Flash said something like 5 years but jaedong said this "It could be tomorrow, it could be a couple of years who knows". He doesn't know when he will switch so I am guessing if he can't get a salary he is happy with or something else happens he will switch to sc2.
I still would be sad if he moved to sc2, and want him to at the same time. I just hope news of something comes soon I am so curious what team he is joining or what his plan is!
I think his parents are quite keen for him to go to college. That coupled with the fact that there are no salaries yet (at least in korea), means if he somehow retires from BW (T_T) we might not see him in SC2.
I'll be honest, I totally wouldn't mind JD switching and coming to MLGs so I can get some sexy autographed swag. Would prefer him finding a good team to pay his salary until he decides to switch on his own though, I don't want it to be a forced out of BW thing. Hopefully we hear some good news on the whole 3 teams disbanding situation soon. Unfortunately all I've heard lately are teams moving out of the houses. ._.;
On September 24 2011 15:46 xBillehx wrote: I'll be honest, I totally wouldn't mind JD switching and coming to MLGs so I can get some sexy autographed swag. Would prefer him finding a good team to pay his salary until he decides to switch on his own though, I don't want it to be a forced out of BW thing. Hopefully we hear some good news on the whole 3 teams disbanding situation soon. Unfortunately all I've heard lately are teams moving out of the houses. ._.;
Yeah it really sucks honestly. I am hating all the bad news for BW
On September 24 2011 15:32 Trickstaloki wrote: On the plus side, since SC2 is easier JD can easily go to school and play on the side like Polt and Nada does.
He would get similar results. Not dominate, but not not fail out either. SC2 being easier or harder is totally off topic discussion, so all I will say is I think it all how you approach it with your expectations and standards. In certain respects it is easier, in others it is harder. Its a different game.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
So don't try to start the fucking fight and post sc2 stuff in bw thread where noone want too see it. That's it.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
Yeah I'm sure meeting up with former OZ-members during off-season means a lot regarding JD's future. I'm also sure any chicken restaurant or online hardware store is willing to pay 200k a year for JD's salary
Seriously are we complaining about people suggesting that he may switch to sc2? It's certainly a possibility. Who would compete with him in that game once he puts in the time to understand the game? Maybe mvp? Maybe nestea? And that's about it, gom has a huge price pool every month and eg could probably give him the salary he wants
On another note, personally, I'd like to see the big bw names stick it out till the end, realistically bw doesn't have much more than 1-2 years before the scene will collapse in korea. Given how much he made and the fact that that's even more money in s. korea, I could see him retire from gaming, go to school and just, you know, chill for a bit.
10 pages of speculations and BW vs SC2 arguments and not a single person in here thinks Jaedong has enough money to do whatever he pleases? :p He's had a starplayer salary for years (which is really good in comparison to other professions).
Jaedong has always been known as the guy who practices an absurd amount and I am doubtful that he would have any problems breaking into the SC2 scene and making tons of money if thats what he would want to do. I think Jaedong switching to SC2 would be very good for the SC2 scene as right now almost every team has a "free training schedule" which means they practice as much or little as they want with no real structure, I think Jaedong and his practice routines would bring more pressure on the teams overall and maybe give SC2 the "skillboost" that it needs.
However since his parents has been wanting him to go to college since 2009 that's a huge possibility aswell.
Anyways my heart would want to see another sponsor picking up atleast the OZ team and keeping the JD/OZ legacy going in BW.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
One thing that everybody is forgetting is that switching to sc2 has both pros and cons. I'll go over some of the pros and cons of both games for Jaedong
Staying in BW Pros -Huge Salary -Fame (bigger fanbase, bigger audience, more media attention) -Jaedong is already one of the best players in bw, switching to a brand new game will set him back a few months (or maybe just a few weeks it depends how fast he can adapt to a new game) -SCBW is a 'finished' game and players don't need to worry about Blizzard messing up their timings, playstyle, strategies, etc. -Strict Training elevates the skill of the players so quickly(although this can also be a con)
Staying in BW Cons -Strict Training means little freedom to travel, have a gf, play other games, go out with friends frequently, etc. -Training leaves NO room for University and anything else related to personal development OUTSIDE of BW -BW is a dying game(and yes I know that 20% of high school kids watched the proleague finals, and that BW is still really popular, but with all these teams disbanding and MBC turning into a Korean MTV, who knows if bw will be around for 2 more years), this means that if Jaedong has passion for gaming and would like to coach after, SCBW will not give him the financial security to do so(IN THE LONG TERM).
Moving to SCII Pros -Freedom to play whenever you want, this allows players to play at the competitive level while still having a gf, going to university, among other things. (This is probably THE biggest pro that SCII brings to the table) -A bigger international fanbase and the possibility to travel around the world while still playing Starcraft. Jaedong has mentioned that he wants to expand his international fan base and SCII has so many world tournaments that would all want to see Jaedong play, not to mention all the western hemisphere Jaedong fanboys that want to see the Dong face to face and get his autograph (probably won't happen in BW ever again now that BW is out of WCG) -A more prominent game in the future. The game hasn't even had an expansion yet, and we are promised at least 2 more expansions so the game could potentially have 8 years of life left (if not more, who knows when Blizzard will come out with SC3) This will also allow Jaedong to pursue a financially secure coach position in a few years if he doesn't make it as a player.
Moving to SCII Cons -Jaedong will take a HUUUUGEEE salary cut -Jaedong would have to learn and practice a brand new game -SCII is not a consistent game in regards to balance, and it's not entirely up to the players to revolutionize the metgame because Blizzard can do so with one small patch -Jaedong would be criticized by the BW community as well as the media -No strict guidelines on training can slow down Jaedong's climb to the top (although realistically, I couldn't see Jaedong struggling to always find someone to practice with)
I would personally love to see him at KHAN. STX is alright but I have a feeling that it's just going to be the same story again with the team depending on him for results. I don't know if JD will be motivated enough on a team like that. After all, what's the point of working your butt off if the rest of your team can't do their part? As an avid follower of Arsenal FC, I have seen how star players like Fabregas & Henry can become disillusioned with having to pull the team through time and time again.
Also, goodness knows KHAN needs some good zergs on their team, and I don't think the JD-Stork-Jangbi combination would be that overpowered especially with all of them having some consistency issues. I actually think having 2 big names besides him would help JD with his motivation & desire as they would have a genuine shot at taking down anyone, at least on paper.
All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
On September 25 2011 00:23 moltar3000 wrote: All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
On September 25 2011 00:23 moltar3000 wrote: All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Not dumb to me at all respect people's opinion okay ?
On September 25 2011 00:23 moltar3000 wrote: All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Not dumb to me at all respect people's opinion okay ?
Yeah, i changed it. It was a bit disrespectful of me to state it like I did. And for that I am sorry
On September 25 2011 00:23 moltar3000 wrote: All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Perhaps to you, but imagine how lifelong fans of these teams feel, especially those in Korea. It's very distressful for them.
On September 25 2011 00:23 moltar3000 wrote: All the sc2 speculation is pretty disrespectful imo. Many teams have been disbanded. Think of how their fans feel. This is like the progaming equivalent of ambulance chasing.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Not dumb to me at all respect people's opinion okay ?
Yeah, i changed it. It was a bit disrespectful of me to state it like I did. And for that I am sorry
What don't you understand then? The involved party (the fans) are anxious for news following a tragic event. The uninvolved party (sc2 fans) are fantasizing about the benefits they could poach from the situation. Ambulance chasing seems like a pretty accurate comparison to me.
On September 24 2011 23:39 Milkis wrote: From what I've heard Jaedong isn't interested in moving to SC2 at all.
Who knows though.
yeah I can't imagine him moving to sc2 yet. He's still so good and I bet he wants another OSL gold, besides I doubt he's done kicking Flash's ass yet :D.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX. He's probably in the least jeopardy of losing his job. The same can't be said about upcoming players or veterans (especially Anytime). I'm far more interested about where the A/B class gamers are going to go.
Some players come to mind-- Hiya, Killer, Shine, Roro, Baby, Mind, Midas, Sea, Jaehoon, and Wooki. Then there are various other up and coming players.
STX is fishing for players, especially since Kal left. Stars is looking for someone to replace really, and they're in a desperate need for a toss. Khan is searching for a zerg, but they usually raise their own players. CJ is getting effort back and has a pretty good team. KT had already acquired many players last year, and SKT has a good lineup.
In a thread about, where jaedong might go, there's nothing resembling ambulance chasing in suggesting he could go to sc2. Wishing he goes to SC2 is no different then wishing he goes to X team.
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
On September 25 2011 04:33 Russano wrote: In a thread about, where jaedong might go, there's nothing resembling ambulance chasing in suggesting he could go to sc2. Wishing he goes to SC2 is no different then wishing he goes to X team.
I'd say leaving BW altogether is quite different from simply changing teams.
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
I want to watch OSLs forever, especially ones including Jaedong. But Jaedong himself is a powerful force irrespective of what he's doing, or of what game he's playing.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
The interview is from time when Blizzard wanted to shut down BW in Korea. Now things have changed.
Hmm even then I do think he plans on switching at some point in the future. I honestly don't want him to yet though. I really want to see him win at least 2 more starleagues before switching/retiring. Please jaedong do it for me!
If Effort doesn't make a huge splash next season, the next best thing would be the lord revive from the abyss to destroy everyone in his path against Bisu in MSL final (enough about the ZvT rivalry, its time to bring back BvJ from circa 2008!)
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
maybe that's because it happens in every single thread
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
I don't think any of the people disagreeing with you are being hypersensitive at all. There are a lot of understandably anxious people reading this thread. Saying a lot of inflammatory things and then excusing yourself with a rant about bw/sc2 meta discourse is hardly laying any kind of foundation for 'mature discussion'.
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
The interview is from time when Blizzard wanted to shut down BW in Korea. Now things have changed.
Hmm even then I do think he plans on switching at some point in the future. I honestly don't want him to yet though. I really want to see him win at least 2 more starleagues before switching/retiring. Please jaedong do it for me!
What I take from that interview is that at the time Jaedong thought SC2 was gonna have a lot of money in it and that he might make a lot more and get international fame by playing SC2, but as we can see a year later SC2 isn't at a point where it can pay Jaedong what he earns from BW yet. When he says 'a few years' I think he is saying 'if SC2 can ever afford me and if I have no more goals left in BW.' This was also before we knew how many flaws SC2 has that restrict good players from being miles above everyone else, and before winning tournaments in SC2 were shown to be pretty meaningless since there are just too many for anyone to care that much. What SC2 needs is not good players like Jaedong, but a more competitive system. A lot of people hated on KeSPA when they wouldn't support GOMTV half hassed attempt to do a Starleague, and really in SC2 we are seeing the results that a lack of focused competition bring. Too many games a week, impossible to watch everything. It was hectic enough in BW with proleague having so many games, but SC2 is miles away from even that. I think the best points about SC2 being a possibility for Jaedong is the one about Nada and other players doing school at the same time because SC2 is easy. That is a reasonably convincing argument.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
I don't think any of the people disagreeing with you are being hypersensitive at all. There are a lot of understandably anxious people reading this thread. Saying a lot of inflammatory things and then excusing yourself with a rant about bw/sc2 meta discourse is hardly laying any kind of foundation for 'mature discussion'.
What have I said that was inflammatory, I was responding to a discourse that was already inflamed before I contributed my thoughts. In this particular case, a generally civil discussion involving realistic SC2 possiblities for jaedong due to a series of circumstances was taking place. Then problem started when a few snide remarks came from SC2 fans and BW fans, I was pointing out that contrary to popular belief, there is definitely a BW fan component in the polarized and drama filled relationship between the two communities.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
The question is why do you come to the broodwar forum with these posts? Aren't the blob on blob warfare threads in the sc2 forum exciting enough?
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
Thanks Ryo.
Also, I just spent a whole 2 pages trying to identify the actual relevant posts (ones which don't involve some debate with SC2) while reading. -_-
On September 25 2011 03:34 bearbuddy wrote: Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX.
That is actually something that worries me. Is STX really the only team that could potentially afford him in addition to their own players (now that Kal is off to ACE)? I know KT and SKT are already paying Flash and Bisu hefty salaries and might not be able to pay JD as well, but is it impossible for, say, Khan or Stars to acquire him? Does anyone know how much the other players on their teams are being paid?
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
On re-reading my post, yeah I can see the irony in my statement, but it still stands as a valid point of the current TL BW community. Perhaps I vented a bit too much in that reply and I apologize for that, but going into any BW thread today is like walking into a mine field.
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
The question is why do you come to the broodwar forum with these posts? Aren't the blob on blob warfare threads in the sc2 forum exciting enough?
I didn't come here with these posts in mind, but if you want a reason why I decided to post them your troll response is a good start.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
Thanks Ryo.
Also, I just spent a whole 2 pages trying to identify the actual relevant posts (ones which don't involve some debate with SC2) while reading. -_-
On September 25 2011 03:34 bearbuddy wrote: Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX.
That is actually something that worries me. Is STX really the only team that could potentially afford him in addition to their own players (now that Kal is off to ACE)? I know KT and SKT are already paying Flash and Bisu hefty salaries and might not be able to pay JD as well, but is it impossible for, say, Khan or Stars to acquire him? Does anyone know how much the other players on their teams are being paid?
KHAN could probably afford him, and they really need more zerg players too. stars or CJ might be able to afford him, but both of those teams already have a pair of good zerg players each (hydra/effort, zero/soulkey). KHAN/STX are probably the best place for JD to go out of the existing teams, assuming he doesn't sign with some new team that may or may not form. a new team is probably the most desirable place for him to go to maintain balance in proleague lol.
On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote: wait where did this sc2 talk come from
There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads.
Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene.
There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up.
Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates.
I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else .
This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects.
You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post?
Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH
Thanks Ryo.
Also, I just spent a whole 2 pages trying to identify the actual relevant posts (ones which don't involve some debate with SC2) while reading. -_-
On September 25 2011 03:34 bearbuddy wrote: Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX.
That is actually something that worries me. Is STX really the only team that could potentially afford him in addition to their own players (now that Kal is off to ACE)? I know KT and SKT are already paying Flash and Bisu hefty salaries and might not be able to pay JD as well, but is it impossible for, say, Khan or Stars to acquire him? Does anyone know how much the other players on their teams are being paid?
KHAN could probably afford him, and they really need more zerg players too. stars or CJ might be able to afford him, but both of those teams already have a pair of good zerg players each (hydra/effort, zero/soulkey). KHAN/STX are probably the best place for JD to go out of the existing teams, assuming he doesn't sign with some new team that may or may not form. a new team is probably the most desirable place for him to go to maintain balance in proleague lol.
omg just imagine JangBi in this recent momentum, Stork back to this prime, Reality/TurN the top Terran Rookies, AND JAEDONG omg.... i wish that happened.
Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
I have a feeling Stars are gonna shoot for Sea or Baby, and maybe Jaehoon or bridge. Flying didn't pan out and Guemchi is pretty bad now. I was surprised that Kal went to ACE before Free. Would be nice if Sea and Light can be teammates again.
i bet EG can pick up jaedong and pay him 10k a month... lol jk
but if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now... but chances of that? no chance.
as mentioned before, jaedong wants fans and fame. does he necessarily want more money? either way, his paycheck is going to be cut drastically due to... not having a team. his salary is forced. jaedong is the kind of person that sticks to his team no matter what. he's been in jaedong oz for how many years? so its hard to say if he's inclined to move to another team or do something else.
On September 25 2011 14:08 Lokian wrote: i bet EG can pick up jaedong and pay him 10k a month... lol jk
but if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now... but chances of that? no chance.
as mentioned before, jaedong wants fans and fame. does he necessarily want more money? either way, his paycheck is going to be cut drastically due to... not having a team. his salary is forced. jaedong is the kind of person that sticks to his team no matter what. he's been in jaedong oz for how many years? so its hard to say if he's inclined to move to another team or do something else.
Errr I'm not sure you know how much jaedong makes. I know in 2010 (according to liquidpedia) he made 234,797 US dollars. Thats more then any sc2 player has made and who knows what he made in 09, etc. thats more then anyone has made in sc2 I believe so far.
On September 25 2011 08:19 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
I don't agree at all. I follow a lot of streams and read quite a lot on TL, and every single time someone makes a comment about BW (from a SC2 perspective), they are trying to belittle the game. "The graphics sucks" "When will Flash switch over?" "I didn't know they still played that game?" These are standard insults.
Even if you say something more subtle, like "I want Jaedong to switch to SC2", then you're still insulting the BW fans. We don't react just because someone mentions SC2. We react because they mention it in a loaded way. Now you could discuss whether we react too strongly or not, but that's another discussion. I've never ever seen anyone flaming a SC2 fan, without the SC2 fan being provokative at first.
On September 25 2011 14:05 bearbuddy wrote: Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
Whoa there; nobody settles for Killer. Mini-Dong is probably about as good as the Dong right now.
On September 25 2011 14:05 bearbuddy wrote: Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
I have a feeling Stars are gonna shoot for Sea or Baby, and maybe Jaehoon or bridge. Flying didn't pan out and Guemchi is pretty bad now. I was surprised that Kal went to ACE before Free. Would be nice if Sea and Light can be teammates again.
it's sort of sad that of the 3 teams disbanding, jaehoon is the best protoss lol. wookie has potential I guess but he hasnt proven any sort of consistency yet (since he is so new). he could be just a fluke like so many rookies before him (remember when classic had a huge winning streak?).
On September 25 2011 15:04 Lokian wrote: was i ever comparing jaedong to any sc2 players?
You said "if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now". There are two current SC2 players who have already won a few SC2 titles (assuming you're counting GSL titles).
If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote: If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote: If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
lol... cause there can on be one GOD????
flash is no longer god Jangbi owned him nicely in osl.
On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote: Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this.
and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do.
i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar.
i still don't expect him to change as long as he's a top earner in broodwar. it wouldn't make any sense at all.
for one because SC2 doesn't seem to have nicely paid contracts and secondly, because there's one huge SC2 tournament and a shitload of small foreign tournaments. it's just not worth it financially.
if he wouldn't get picked up by a team, he might switch over. but think he'd even go for his military service before thinking about it, and that only if he doesn's find a worthy new home.
i wouldn't hol my breath to see any S-class player anytime soon.
The biggest con to switching to SC2 would be the fact that SC2 HAS NO MUTA MICRO. T______T I mean, Jaedong without his Mutas? I can't imagine him keeping an interest in SC2 after he realizes that.
On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote: If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
lol... cause there can on be one GOD????
flash is no longer god Jangbi owned him nicely in osl.
Never thought I would read this from sawa....Expected more from you....
On the SC2 money subject. Some teams have salary, it's nowhere near the 200k+ he makes in broodwar but its a livable start and I'm sure alot of teams would be more than willing to give him a normal salary.
Anyway my point wasn't the above, in SC2 you can make 80k~ a month from winning GSL, Means jaedong would need to win 3 out of 12 GSLs a year to make equal or more than he does now. If what everyone thinks about a real BW player switching to SC2 would rip the scene up is true then this would be no problem at all for him, he would probably even be able to take home more like 6-7 GSLs in a year. That's well more than doubling his salary if we're being optimistic. Then theres MLG, Blizzcon, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly etc for global fame and smaller price pool.
On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote: If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
lol... cause there can on be one GOD????
flash is no longer god Jangbi owned him nicely in osl.
Never thought I would read this from sawa....Expected more from you....
Okay I take it back ;( Flash on purpose off god mode so he can rest his hands for his important surgery . Surely now he has switched on that innate switch to become the god young ho again .
On September 25 2011 20:51 wezzon wrote: On the SC2 money subject. Some teams have salary, it's nowhere near the 200k+ he makes in broodwar but its a livable start and I'm sure alot of teams would be more than willing to give him a normal salary.
Anyway my point wasn't the above, in SC2 you can make 80k~ a month from winning GSL, Means jaedong would need to win 3 out of 12 GSLs a year to make equal or more than he does now. If what everyone thinks about a real BW player switching to SC2 would rip the scene up is true then this would be no problem at all for him, he would probably even be able to take home more like 6-7 GSLs in a year. That's well more than doubling his salary if we're being optimistic. Then theres MLG, Blizzcon, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly etc for global fame and smaller price pool.
The money is there if you're talented.
80k$ a month is no longer the amount you recieve from winning a GSL, it was only a few first GSLs, now it is about 500k won, which is about 44774$ (if it hasnt benn changed recently) thats considerably lower than 80k$, and I would imagine that 200k$ for Jaedong is/was only his base salary which can go up (and quite much so especially if he gets into a good team and gets a shot to win SPL or individual championships)
On the other hand it may be possible for him to get a personal sponsorship as Boxer did, that could be considerably larger than salaries teams (in SC2) pay out.
On September 25 2011 20:51 wezzon wrote: On the SC2 money subject. Some teams have salary, it's nowhere near the 200k+ he makes in broodwar but its a livable start and I'm sure alot of teams would be more than willing to give him a normal salary.
Anyway my point wasn't the above, in SC2 you can make 80k~ a month from winning GSL, Means jaedong would need to win 3 out of 12 GSLs a year to make equal or more than he does now. If what everyone thinks about a real BW player switching to SC2 would rip the scene up is true then this would be no problem at all for him, he would probably even be able to take home more like 6-7 GSLs in a year. That's well more than doubling his salary if we're being optimistic. Then theres MLG, Blizzcon, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly etc for global fame and smaller price pool.
The money is there if you're talented.
80k$ a month is no longer the amount you recieve from winning a GSL, it was only a few first GSLs, now it is about 500k won, which is about 44774$ (if it hasnt benn changed recently) thats considerably lower than 80k$, and I would imagine that 200k$ for Jaedong is/was only his base salary which can go up (and quite much so especially if he gets into a good team and gets a shot to win SPL or individual championships)
On the other hand it may be possible for him to get a personal sponsorship as Boxer did, that could be considerably larger than salaries teams (in SC2) pay out.
bw pros get paid so much because they're of value to korean marketeers. sc2 ain't that big in korea; sc2 is still mostly a white thing. it ain't even on tv in korea, people have to pay to get it in watchable value, online. nobody who isn't into the scene even knows who mvp or nestea are.
if tha dong switched he could get a pretty good deal but he wouldn't get a huk deal.
It's something he said I think when SC2 was still in beta lol. I think he was expecting SC2 to shoot off way more than it actually has, so this is not really relevant at all except to say that at some point he was thinking about it a long time ago. Do you still think you're gonna do everything you were thinking about doing a year ago? Especially if the interview about him wanting to lead ACE is more recent, I give that more credit to say it was a fleeting idea.
When he wrote that I bet he thought 'if the whole world is going to and watching one competition, surely the prize is going to be huge and prestigious!' but as it turns out there is just a million tiny tourneys, a lot of not very stable teams, and just nothing that everyone is watching. If SC2 lives on and consolidates and gets bigger I can see JD switching, but if SC2 stays the same or pitters out obviously he's not coming to save it. It'd be interesting to hear what he thinks of the gameplay today and if he likes it at all, but we don't have that luxury. We just have his thoughts before anyone knew how the game would play. So yeah... using this interview is a pretty weak argument. Get something more recent if you want to bring it up, cause I hear when jaedong was 5 years old he wanted to be a fireman and that probably isn't going to happen either.
On September 25 2011 22:40 Chef wrote: It's something he said I think when SC2 was still in beta lol. I think he was expecting SC2 to shoot off way more than it actually has, so this is not really relevant at all except to say that at some point he was thinking about it a long time ago. Do you still think you're gonna do everything you were thinking about doing a year ago? Especially if the interview about him wanting to lead ACE is more recent, I give that more credit to say it was a fleeting idea.
When he wrote that I bet he thought 'if the whole world is going to and watching one competition, surely the prize is going to be huge and prestigious!' but as it turns out there is just a million tiny tourneys, a lot of not very stable teams, and just nothing that everyone is watching. If SC2 lives on and consolidates and gets bigger I can see JD switching, but if SC2 stays the same or pitters out obviously he's not coming to save it. It'd be interesting to hear what he thinks of the gameplay today and if he likes it at all, but we don't have that luxury. We just have his thoughts before anyone knew how the game would play. So yeah... using this interview is a pretty weak argument. Get something more recent if you want to bring it up, cause I hear when jaedong was 5 years old he wanted to be a fireman and that probably isn't going to happen either.
very good post. this pretty much reflects hat I thought. he might eventually switch, but I wouldn't hold my breath. it's not going to happen:
- as long as BW is bigger in korea - there is more money/fans/prestige in BW - as long as he doesn't get an incredibly awesome deal
don't get me wrong. I would be soooo damn happy to see JD/Flash/Bisu/whatever switch to SC2, but unfortunately it won't happen any time soon.
On September 25 2011 14:05 bearbuddy wrote: Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
Whoa there; nobody settles for Killer. Mini-Dong is probably about as good as the Dong right now.
I initially typed Roro and Shine, then I remembered killer, and added him in there. lol. But still, would you pay Killer as much as you pay for JD? He's still the mini-Dong, and hasn't grown out of Jaedong's shadow yet.
On September 25 2011 14:46 Ideas wrote: it's sort of sad that of the 3 teams disbanding, jaehoon is the best protoss lol. wookie has potential I guess but he hasnt proven any sort of consistency yet (since he is so new). he could be just a fluke like so many rookies before him (remember when classic had a huge winning streak?).
Lol, yeah. Protoss teams do pretty well in Proleague. I guess there's a reason it's called Proleague. *rimshot*
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Re-read the thread. It was a mistranslation. He said:
I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
So, when SC2 grows up, he'll switch. It hasn't reached BW prestige and so he won't switch (yet).
Despite me saying all that, he could have of course changed his mind but we can't speculate on what we don't know.
I generally agree with what Chef said, however he most certainly said is and not when. It initially posted as if, then was changed to when:
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years. .
Edit: Sorry for any misinterpretation. The correct translation is the one above.
Hellspawn from rakaka.se commented on the translation problem: "The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers"
Q: Our time is up, but a lot of people are wondering about the player you never want to lose to, if you will use queens in the future, and if you're thinking about joining ACE. A: Hmm... I don't want to lose to any player. Queen can become a good unit, or the game that ruins your play. If it works well during practice, I think I might use it in the future. My final dream as a progamer would be to make ACE win proleague. Maybe not win, but at least make it to the finals. Look forward to it haha.
On September 26 2011 00:51 Ikonn wrote: Q: Our time is up, but a lot of people are wondering about the player you never want to lose to, if you will use queens in the future, and if you're thinking about joining ACE. A: Hmm... I don't want to lose to any player. Queen can become a good unit, or the game that ruins your play. If it works well during practice, I think I might use it in the future. My final dream as a progamer would be to make ACE win proleague. Maybe not win, but at least make it to the finals. Look forward to it haha.
On September 26 2011 00:51 Ikonn wrote: Q: Our time is up, but a lot of people are wondering about the player you never want to lose to, if you will use queens in the future, and if you're thinking about joining ACE. A: Hmm... I don't want to lose to any player. Queen can become a good unit, or the game that ruins your play. If it works well during practice, I think I might use it in the future. My final dream as a progamer would be to make ACE win proleague. Maybe not win, but at least make it to the finals. Look forward to it haha.
On September 25 2011 20:51 wezzon wrote: On the SC2 money subject. Some teams have salary, it's nowhere near the 200k+ he makes in broodwar but its a livable start and I'm sure alot of teams would be more than willing to give him a normal salary.
Anyway my point wasn't the above, in SC2 you can make 80k~ a month from winning GSL, Means jaedong would need to win 3 out of 12 GSLs a year to make equal or more than he does now. If what everyone thinks about a real BW player switching to SC2 would rip the scene up is true then this would be no problem at all for him, he would probably even be able to take home more like 6-7 GSLs in a year. That's well more than doubling his salary if we're being optimistic. Then theres MLG, Blizzcon, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly etc for global fame and smaller price pool.
The money is there if you're talented.
80k$ a month is no longer the amount you recieve from winning a GSL, it was only a few first GSLs, now it is about 500k won, which is about 44774$ (if it hasnt benn changed recently) thats considerably lower than 80k$, and I would imagine that 200k$ for Jaedong is/was only his base salary which can go up (and quite much so especially if he gets into a good team and gets a shot to win SPL or individual championships)
On the other hand it may be possible for him to get a personal sponsorship as Boxer did, that could be considerably larger than salaries teams (in SC2) pay out.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
but thats because broodwar wasnt dieing at that time
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
Wait. What indication is there that BW is going to die O.o? The teams that disbanded aren't major corporations, and the richer teams are pouring in more money. It's a more centralized movement where the ones that cannot compete are weeded out.
MBC Game channel switching to music broadcast is a pretty big blow, but no team league...? How did you come to that conclusion? Most of the players outside of the disbanded teams have already renegotiated with their teams.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
Wouldn't really expect a BW fan to refer to MSL as "that one league."
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
There is zero indication of proleague dying. Calm down.
BW will live as long as the sponsors are there. I think it has two more years or so. Basically once GOM's contract is up and SC2 starts appearing on television, the game becomes more advanced, etc we'll see an inevitable transition.
The game is more than a decade old, it's not going to last forever or much longer. It's had an amazing run and is still producing amazing games, but all good things come to an end.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
1. an 8-team PL is still very viable and would possibly be even more competitive 2. the MSL could be taken over by a different channel, or BW could work with one individual league + PL (not great but what can ya do, and it would make the OSL even more prestigious) 3. where the heck did you get this idea 4. if KT, a gigantic company, is willing to give Flash a billion dollars a year (slight hyperbole for effect) there must be some viability in BW, no?
so in short please don't talk about stuff you obviously know very little about
Who's to say there will be any transition? I think chances are equally likely that televised starcraft is just phased out in Korea... SC2 just doesn't have the appeal or the presence in Korea from what I understand. Either way BW is no where near dying and it's getting old listening to these doomsayers.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
I don't think you should spew false information. Proleague (or team league as you refer to it) is not dead by any means. While MBC is shutting down their BW broadcasting division, the fate of the MSL is still uncertain. I'd wait around for any news before completely writing it off as being destroyed. And there has been no indication of any BW progamers switching over to SC2 at this time.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
1. ACE is the ultimate underdog team, being dead last in every single season but full of lovable players past their prime.
2. MBC isn't tossing out their league. They're changing the whole channel altogether.
3. How many relevant player in his prime is playing SC2 right now? MVP was pretty much the only legitimate A teamer, and even he was a "lol woongjin terran". I don't think rookies moving on is an indication of BW dying... they're rookies who have not built a name for themselves and don't really have decent followings.
4. Yes. Like not having a good enough team to make the playoffs. 10 teams, 6 went to the playoffs, all of them are thriving and some of their spendings have actually gone up. ACE is there since it's the airforce. The 3 others that failed were disbanded.
FOX pretty much pulled out from Esports altogether, so it's not BW exclusive. MBC went down with the channel conversion, which was again, not exclusive to BW, since it's a gaming channel. Hwaseung was the only one pulling exclusively out of Brood War. Even last year, OGN was affected by the betting scandal so that half their team disappeared, and Estro was basically some sort of broadcast licensing company that no longer had decent revenue.
There's a difference between bleeding and dying. One involves immediate first-aid, the other one involves a miracle.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
Making things up is fun.
Lol I know right??? But any real news on this now?? ?and when's any BW coming on???
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
Making things up is fun.
Lol I know right??? But any real news on this now?? ?and when's any BW coming on???
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
Diew bw is going to die diediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediedie and like all the other people who doesn't play bw love to talk about this dieing trend , I mean after all its true what they say pro league finals no one attended, flash retires because he lost in finals and bisu drops broodwar so he can become a electrical engineer , You know what if you guys can twist the fact so Can I .
6000 people in OSL finals and like 1/5 or 1/10 teenager who watched PL finals (something like that). and about 10mil straem viewers from China didnt get memo that its dying so many stupid people. Let it die goddamnit !
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
1) That's personal preference. 2) While the fact that "that one league"'s main broadcasting is going to be gone, there are talks that another channel will take over the running of the MBCGame, under their own name of course. It is a blow, but it doesn't spell the end. 3) There are already enough B-teamers and rookies who don't get broadcast time. This will help the current pool of rookies. It's a good thing. 4) The companies who are quitting are doing so because they are smaller companies that can't afford to pay the expenses of running a team in the current economic situation, compared to huge companies like SK Telecom and Olleh KT. KT even increased the salaries of several players.
Team League = Proleague? How is Proleague dead if the finals attracted that many viewers and live audiences? Where are you getting such info? And name me one decent current player who's not a relic of the past who has moved over to SC2 permanently.
On September 27 2011 17:44 bgx wrote: 6000 people in OSL finals and like 1/5 or 1/10 teenager who watched PL finals (something like that). and about 10mil straem viewers from China didnt get memo that its dying so many stupid people. Let it die goddamnit !
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
can you go away trollololoooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllll
On September 27 2011 17:44 bgx wrote: 6000 people in OSL finals and like 1/5 or 1/10 teenager who watched PL finals (something like that). and about 10mil straem viewers from China didnt get memo that its dying so many stupid people. Let it die goddamnit !
On September 27 2011 08:33 NoobSkills wrote: 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD
Way to look down on other people. If they wanted money I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have become progamers. Ok I guess there will be some jackasses who thinks they can get rich playing sc.....
It would be cool if JD changed to SC2 but i don't see it happenning.. It would be like MJ changing from basketball to baseball.. oh wait that allready happened.. hmm how did it went?
Ok so it's not the same thing but JD is a bw player and should remain so! We allready have to many excellent players and the BW guys deserve a brake after so many bad news!
Jaedong in a WCG interview said that he wants to recognized world wide more by playing SC2, TBH I think many Koreans are anonymous of how famous they are abroad.If you really want to thank your foreigner fans plz stay in Broodwar.....SC2 is a flop with its life being extended with high prize pools and players will quit eventually once they suck the prize pool dry....
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
Aaaand the terrible troll award of today goes to.... NoobSkills!
On September 27 2011 23:32 ppshchik wrote: Jaedong in a WCG interview said that he wants to recognized world wide more by playing SC2, TBH I think many Koreans are anonymous of how famous they are abroad.If you really want to thank your foreigner fans plz stay in Broodwar.....SC2 is a flop with its life being extended with high prize pools and players will quit eventually once they suck the prize pool dry....
This would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that Brood War is dead and buried internationally and that any korean who plays SC2 is a goddamn rockstar when they come to an MLG. Jaedong said he wants to be recognized internationally and this is the way to do it.
Why do people keep bumping this thread in lieu of any update on Jaedong? There are plenty of SC2/BW threads out there. Why bump this particular thread... + Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2011 23:32 ppshchik wrote: Jaedong in a WCG interview said that he wants to recognized world wide more by playing SC2, TBH I think many Koreans are anonymous of how famous they are abroad.If you really want to thank your foreigner fans plz stay in Broodwar.....SC2 is a flop with its life being extended with high prize pools and players will quit eventually once they suck the prize pool dry....
This would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that Brood War is dead and buried internationally and that any korean who plays SC2 is a goddamn rockstar when they come to an MLG. Jaedong said he wants to be recognized internationally and this is the way to do it.
and thanks for calling the bw scene has died in korea and to all the young kids in korea who aspire to be the next jaedong,flash and bisu probably are crying right now . Way to go my friend, I know that these post is kind of tolerated XXXXXX go sc2 for the sake of esport mantra and all of that stuff . If people fail to realized how prestigous and hard these game is . How many hours and time has been put up just to get broodwar to it's level now.They wouldn't have easily come so easy to a conclusion XXXX go to sc2 .
As you know the bw scene wasn't constructed by hype or money pool it all started with people sincerely wanting to play the game's they love and get paid at the same time . Just read crazyasme boxer blog and you would have gotten a picture how much time they have put in for a so called game . http://boxerbiography.blogspot.com/
Do you really think sc2 is willing to take on a guy who will devote his whole live to destroy all opposition any team or individual that you so called by many TOP 2 Micro ?.You haven't seen how crazy he could be when he was at his prime.
Even mentioning his name in a game you are suppose to play with him is enough to send you shivering in the game booth . Jaedong has been a monster in broodwar and although he hasn't been himself lately and even in he's so called weaken state he still destroys flash in TvZ all the time . Oz fan's has been waiting for the tyrant to take his throne back and to destroy the blasphemous revolution Hydra has started in the zerg hive.
These year jaedong is probably has set in his mind to overcome all hardship in his way probably even learning from jangbi that there is a way to come back to the top seeding again that is through hardwork and dedication.
and thanks for calling the bw scene has died in korea and to all the young kids in korea who aspire to be the next jaedong,flash and bisu probably are crying right now . Way to go my friend, I know that these post is kind of tolerated XXXXXX go sc2 for the sake of esport mantra and all of that stuff . If people fail to realized how prestigous and hard these game is . How many hours and time has been put up just to get broodwar to it's level now.They wouldn't have easily come so easy to a conclusion XXXX go to sc2 .
You're over-reacting here. He said it's dead internationally, which is actually half true... if you count internationally as the western world. People forget China way too often, and it has the potential to power Esports with looser regulations. WCG in Chengdu? Broodwar easily had 20k people watching finals live. SPL in Shanghai? People came from all across China, though was cockblocked by by a hurricane. The "global" section in DES is not in English, but in Chinese.
The content of this thread is obviously a statement from teamliquid that we're no longer allowed a SC:BW section on this site without being trolled to death. Honestly, couldn't we be allowed to have the sc:bw section of this site in peace and quiet without being harrased by loads of children who have just taken up sc2? Isn't that fair? I've followed the pro-scene in BW for 12 years now and I do not understand why long time fans of this site and game should be harrased while browsing the site.
On September 25 2011 22:15 Vuk_91 wrote: Would you stop with SC2? It`s a crappy game,and I`m sure someone like Jaedong won`t sell his but for money.
The topic is about his whereabouts and what he is doing, considering there is a interview of him a year ago saying he will switch at some point:
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
Then it is pretty relevant to this topic, as the possibility is there. Hopefully he is just taking a minor back and will be back in BW
Yes, but he said it could be any time. It could be in 5 years, it could be right now. That's a little misleading because you took it kinda out of context.
I like SCBW more than SC2 (currently and perhaps forever), but he will be moving to SC2 soon. All the teams dying, and that one league being canceled, no team league probably. All that leads to a mass influx of SCBW players coming soon. It is unfortunate I don't know what killed SCBW cuz SC2 sure hasn't done it.
It's certainly not looking good, but I wouldn't completely write off BW yet. Other sponsors may be found and who knows? We might even get another broadcaster come in and replace MBC. Let's lay off the 'it's dead' talk until it actually happens.
While it could survive it seems like most people are cutting eventual possible losses. Why it will probably die... 1. Even though the teams that disbanded weren't that great they're still no longer around which will make Team League kind of dull with no "underdog" to root for. 2. The broadcasting company that is looking to toss out one of the major leagues destroys an individual league. 3. Contracts expiring for many of the "rookie" players who all could come over and pick up an EASY GSL win or they could stick around and lose to Flash/JD 4. If these companies are teams are quitting they must know something we don't.
With team league dead and players most likely going to switch over the game will probably die and soon, unfortunate as it may be the worlds best gamers will be forced to play the worlds worst remake of a excellent game. Hopefully blizz doesn't fuckup HOTS.
1) That's personal preference. 2) While the fact that "that one league"'s main broadcasting is going to be gone, there are talks that another channel will take over the running of the MBCGame, under their own name of course. It is a blow, but it doesn't spell the end. 3) There are already enough B-teamers and rookies who don't get broadcast time. This will help the current pool of rookies. It's a good thing. 4) The companies who are quitting are doing so because they are smaller companies that can't afford to pay the expenses of running a team in the current economic situation, compared to huge companies like SK Telecom and Olleh KT. KT even increased the salaries of several players.
Team League = Proleague? How is Proleague dead if the finals attracted that many viewers and live audiences? Where are you getting such info? And name me one decent current player who's not a relic of the past who has moved over to SC2 permanently.
Oh come on Kona, don't call them that! They deserve so much respect for establishing the foundation of BW today! Legends will always stay legends in these annals.
On September 27 2011 23:32 ppshchik wrote: Jaedong in a WCG interview said that he wants to recognized world wide more by playing SC2, TBH I think many Koreans are anonymous of how famous they are abroad.If you really want to thank your foreigner fans plz stay in Broodwar.....SC2 is a flop with its life being extended with high prize pools and players will quit eventually once they suck the prize pool dry....
Really?... I've only seen it grow pretty consistently since launch... I guess i could be wrong, but I doubt it.
EDIT: But I guess with the recent Kespa announcement Jaedong will most likely end up on one of the new teams.
I seriously hope that Jaedong gets onto some team and doesn't miss out on any major tournament. As long as he doesn't need to carry the team totally, it would still be great to watch him play again
Its WAY too early for him to jump the sc2 bandwagon yet when there is much more money for him to be earnt in the BW scene, but I can't say I wouldn't like him to play Terran in sc2
On September 22 2011 14:10 Eun_Star wrote: JD would be better off to STX/Khan than KT/SKT1. There's absolutely no logical explanation of why KT/SKT1 needs JD to keep the proleague competitive as much as possible.
iirc in 2009 JD had a problem with OZ, and actually wasn't picked up by any other teams because of his salary (kespa rules for free agency with high salary--check out JD's profile on liquipedia "http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong"). Is the case different in this situation? I certainly hope so.
If SKT had JD, they would have won PL because JD > Flash now, though I'm guessing his commitment to his ZvT in order to get good enough to beat Flash just about every time is the reason his ZvZ is significantly weaker. If SKT got Jaedong they could fire BeSt for failing to kill Flash.
JD>Flash>Bisu>JD correct?
sounds like the TL way to play rock paper scissors
......... What?!
Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0 Jaedong Bigfile MSL Flash 3-2 Jaedong Korean Air OSL Flash 3-1 Jaedong.
How is it JD>Flash?! :[
You need to look at more recent stuff, Jaedong's ZvT is looking fantastic as of late though his other matchups are suffering of this.
you've got it all wrong. Recently, almost everyone has been playing poor TvZ; Jaedong's ZvT looks fantastic by comparison. Once Flash recovers, no doubt he will destroy JD, but JD is still likely to beat everyone else (except Bisu)
Hopefully jaedong vs flash happens again so you can eat your words
God I hope you are correct, but I just dunno if JD can take Flash in a BO5. Sure hes on a winning streak right now, but its all been BO1s, and no real macro games (besides that one on gladiator i think, but JD was so ahead from the start that he had already won the game in the first 10 min). The rest were all really good timings by jaedong that ended the game fairly quickly.. More of flash trying to cut corners and JD punishing him for it.
Would anybody know what this DES article is talking about? I can't make sense of google translate, but it says something about Jaedong and something about Bisu?
On October 16 2011 02:05 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: Would anybody know what this DES article is talking about? I can't make sense of google translate, but it says something about Jaedong and something about Bisu?
I... probably got this wrong, but I think it's talking about how Bisu and Jaedong are known to have a kind of awkward relationship, and that Super Junior's Kyuhyun was trying to get them to be better friends. He called Bisu up to go drinking with him and Jaedong (lol), and Bisu was like, "well at first it was awkward, but then we drank and it was k ^^". Real men bond through alcohol.
I love progamer/kpop idol friendships. So sweet :3
On October 16 2011 02:05 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: Would anybody know what this DES article is talking about? I can't make sense of google translate, but it says something about Jaedong and something about Bisu?
I... probably got this wrong, but I think it's talking about how Bisu and Jaedong are known to have a kind of awkward relationship, and that Super Junior's Kyuhyun was trying to get them to be better friends. He called Bisu up to go drinking with him and Jaedong (lol), and Bisu was like, "well at first it was awkward, but then we drank and it was k ^^". Real men bond through alcohol.
I love progamer/kpop idol friendships. So sweet :3
I'm not sure whether others have noticed, but Jaedong actually look pretty similar to SuJu's Yesung?
(Ugh, google translate manages to translate 이제동 as Stork. Confusing as hell)
Article talks about how Jaedong has found a much-needed retreat through the recent events. Apparently he was stressing out last season because he was practicing the same as he did in past seasons, but the results didn't reflect that, and his health took a hit as well. He says this break has only fueled his passion for the game.
He also throws in a bit about how he's worried about hwaseung's practice partners: he is not concerned about his career because he thinks he will always have the option of joining an existing, or newly created, team, but the no-namers without any fans might see their budding career go up in flames. He is sad that they stayed up with him late into the night practicing, yet the chances of them being picked up by another team are marginal.
Did a search and I guess this is the most relevant thread regarding this. How come no-one is buying up Jaedong? Team8 is doing so badly... If SKT got him they would have the perfect lineup.
jaedong has a contract now with team 8 as far as i know, they signed contracts to everyone who they picked up, so how could anyone be 'buying up Jaedong'. He's already part of a team, one that just crushed SK T1 3-0.
Because KeSPA wills JD to be on T8. They have been doing better lately anyway and he seems happy on T8 (he smiles more). I'd really hate for him to join SKT anyway.
Also, if I understood correctly, Jaedong has the same huge contract which he had in Oz. So, if SKT didn't buy him back then why would they do it now? Also, T8 is doing/will be doing way better than Oz.
Some Belgium network (or station? not sure who they are exactly) is making a documentary film involving Jaedong. They've been following him to his matches and on the last few occasions, he's been wearing a mic on his uniform. The title of the documentary is supposedly "State of Play" or something like that.
On February 08 2012 02:04 Ryo wrote: A bit of info...
Some Belgium network (or station? not sure who they are exactly) is making a documentary film involving Jaedong. They've been following him to his matches and on the last few occasions, he's been wearing a mic on his uniform. The title of the documentary is supposedly "State of Play" or something like that.
I noticed that mic also and was really curious, why he is the only one to wear it thanks for the info!
On February 08 2012 01:41 Newt Gingrich wrote: Did a search and I guess this is the most relevant thread regarding this. How come no-one is buying up Jaedong? Team8 is doing so badly... If SKT got him they would have the perfect lineup.
On February 08 2012 02:04 Ryo wrote: A bit of info...
Some Belgium network (or station? not sure who they are exactly) is making a documentary film involving Jaedong. They've been following him to his matches and on the last few occasions, he's been wearing a mic on his uniform. The title of the documentary is supposedly "State of Play" or something like that.
Do you have any knowledge of the name of that network/station?
On February 08 2012 02:04 Ryo wrote: A bit of info...
Some Belgium network (or station? not sure who they are exactly) is making a documentary film involving Jaedong. They've been following him to his matches and on the last few occasions, he's been wearing a mic on his uniform. The title of the documentary is supposedly "State of Play" or something like that.
Hmm, that's curious. Took a look at some VODs, you're right. What, is he commentating his games while he plays?
As you can see here, the protoss player Flying has improved greatly. In fact, so much, I seem to be struggling with defense. He appears to be killing off a lot of my... wait, what the fuck? Can... can we cut this out of the documentary?
On February 08 2012 02:04 Ryo wrote: A bit of info...
Some Belgium network (or station? not sure who they are exactly) is making a documentary film involving Jaedong. They've been following him to his matches and on the last few occasions, he's been wearing a mic on his uniform. The title of the documentary is supposedly "State of Play" or something like that.
Do you have any knowledge of the name of that network/station?
On February 08 2012 03:52 Hier wrote: As you can see here, the protoss player Flying has improved greatly. In fact, so much, I seem to be struggling with defense. He appears to be killing off a lot of my... wait, what the fuck? Can... can we cut this out of the documentary?
BAHAHAHAHA it took me a few seconds before i remembered the atrocities committed
EPT
). So while you and a lot of other bw players may not like it doesn't mean its boring to watch.
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