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Page 23. If I see any more BW vs SC2 debate from that point on you will get banned.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
August 29 2011 18:56 GMT
#701
On August 30 2011 03:51 _Quasar_ wrote:
Sorry for bad tone. But yes, I disagree that growth of SC2 at the price of BW is "good for esports".

He didn't say it's good for ESPORTS. He said "I hope, at least, this can be good for ESPORTS. Come on.
Moderator
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 18:59:29
August 29 2011 18:59 GMT
#702
Well... then I disagree that it can. Okay I hope we'll never see who is right for the reason of BW not ceasing to exist.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
August 29 2011 19:01 GMT
#703
I dont really get the logic behind that SC2 will get pushed forward if BW dies out. (which I dont think it will anyways) Sponsors arent gonna stop sponsoring BW-teams to sponsor SC2-teams instead, they will stop sponsoring BW because they dont want to sponsor E-sports.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
August 29 2011 19:07 GMT
#704
On August 30 2011 04:01 Slakter wrote:
I dont really get the logic behind that SC2 will get pushed forward if BW dies out. (which I dont think it will anyways) Sponsors arent gonna stop sponsoring BW-teams to sponsor SC2-teams instead, they will stop sponsoring BW because they dont want to sponsor E-sports.

There are those that believe the death of BW will make BW players/fans look at SC2 and say "oh hey, there's still that game, we can just switch over!"

In reality, I don't see that happening.
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
villageidiot
Profile Joined May 2009
353 Posts
August 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#705
It will be huge blow to competetive gaming if only refined proffesional gaming industry will be replaced by prehistoric random tournament system.
Good night sour prince. You won't be missed!
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 29 2011 19:14 GMT
#706
Hey guys thanks for clarifying this whole issue I had a hard time understanding what's going on.

Anyway this is really unfortunate. The BW scene is the premier ESPORTS scene to me, it's arguably the most competitive. The fact that it could possibly decline says a lot about the state of ESPORTS
o choro é livre
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
August 29 2011 19:18 GMT
#707
I wonder what would happen if Jaedong were to join SKT...

Will he fix the situation with their Zergs? Or will the worst case scenario happen?
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
August 29 2011 19:20 GMT
#708
WTF no Jaedong to SKT please, there must be some balance between pro-teams.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
August 29 2011 19:23 GMT
#709
On August 30 2011 04:01 Slakter wrote:
I dont really get the logic behind that SC2 will get pushed forward if BW dies out. (which I dont think it will anyways) Sponsors arent gonna stop sponsoring BW-teams to sponsor SC2-teams instead, they will stop sponsoring BW because they dont want to sponsor E-sports.


I agree.

Most new e-sport fans don't seem to see the big picture: WeMade, Oz and MBC are not simply stopping their sponsorship for BW, they are pulling out of E-Sport altogether.
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:31:55
August 29 2011 19:25 GMT
#710
On August 30 2011 03:56 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 03:51 _Quasar_ wrote:
Sorry for bad tone. But yes, I disagree that growth of SC2 at the price of BW is "good for esports".

He didn't say it's good for ESPORTS. He said "I hope, at least, this can be good for ESPORTS. Come on.

Sponsors and broadcasting companies abandoning the industry entirely can't possibly be good for esports in any way,shape or form. And by esports, I mean more than just broodwar btw.

His post would be like saying something along the lines of the dwindling prize money in cs 1.6 is going to be good for esports because starcraft will get more attention!
Ornithorynquez
Profile Joined August 2009
430 Posts
August 29 2011 19:27 GMT
#711
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

I'm super sad, but on the other hand i really hope these teams will find strongest sponsors.

And if Oz completely disbands, i want to see Jaedong playing in a team that deserves his skills; i really apreciate HiyA, Killer and sHy and i want to see them playing together because they showed promising results for the upcoming season, but seriously i'm tired of the "Jaedong Oz" thing.

I wish the best for the next season.
I have to return some videotapes.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 29 2011 19:29 GMT
#712
This sucks
One of my favorite teams disbanding. And 2 others that are great as well. I cannot pretend to be on Oz anymore
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
August 29 2011 19:39 GMT
#713
On August 30 2011 04:25 Brad` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 03:56 Chill wrote:
On August 30 2011 03:51 _Quasar_ wrote:
Sorry for bad tone. But yes, I disagree that growth of SC2 at the price of BW is "good for esports".

He didn't say it's good for ESPORTS. He said "I hope, at least, this can be good for ESPORTS. Come on.

Sponsors and broadcasting companies abandoning the industry entirely can't possibly be good for esports in any way,shape or form. And by esports, I mean more than just broodwar btw.

His post would be like saying something along the lines of the dwindling prize money in cs 1.6 is going to be good for esports because starcraft will get more attention!

Then post why he's wrong... Are we so lazy we can't defeat posts we don't agree with with logic? I didn't say I agree with the comment I just clarified its meaning.
Moderator
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
August 29 2011 19:49 GMT
#714
Lol the whole point of this is that you never can justify what's better or worse with only logic. It's impossible. The logic deals with making conclusions based on some axioms that are not to be proved. The moral mind-set deals with properly choosing those axioms. IMHO - better is for Starcraft to exist because it is a refined game close to the ideal of balanced RTS, a RTS version of chess by the quality of balance... because I in general think that deeper games are good, no matter the "old" graphics etc... but someone doesn't agree with me and I won't be able to disprove him with "logic". He might think that it's good to play a game that has more players (SC2), because the massiveness is the key for "good" and "entertaining", and I will not be able to disprove him, because sports (e- or normal sports) need masses, and crowd of fans is some of the things that make players want to fight for the results. But I think that it's less important than the fact of existence of a deeply balanced and researched game, and the fact that it's pro scene should exist.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
August 29 2011 20:01 GMT
#715
Let's get back on track please. PM me if you want to discuss moderation.
Moderator
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 29 2011 20:06 GMT
#716
On August 30 2011 04:27 Dexs wrote:
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

I'm super sad, but on the other hand i really hope these teams will find strongest sponsors.

And if Oz completely disbands, i want to see Jaedong playing in a team that deserves his skills; i really apreciate HiyA, Killer and sHy and i want to see them playing together because they showed promising results for the upcoming season, but seriously i'm tired of the "Jaedong Oz" thing.

I wish the best for the next season.


Or he switches to SCII, owns everyone and makes enough Esports bucks from prize money to revive Broodwar (in Korea)!
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
August 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#717
The more I think about it the more I think it's Kespa's horrible playoff system. Regular season winners seeded straight into finals? It's no wonder we only see a few teams regularly getting to finals. First place in regular league should still have benefits (good seeding or 1 round buy) but you have to fight into the finals. This would give other teams a chance to make far instead of the same few teams all the time. I'm sure that this is at least moderately important to sponsors. Think about it like this, if your finances are tight and you have a poorly performing proteam you're more likely to axe them than if they've recently been deep into the playoffs. It wouldn't totally shield proteams but it would certainly help.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 29 2011 20:13 GMT
#718
FUUUCCKKKKK. thats all. i have to say
BW -> League -> CSGO
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 20:24:45
August 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#719
WOW

This sucks...........................
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
August 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#720
man if they can survive through this, i feel like scbw would be invincible
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