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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
July 27 2011 19:47 GMT
#1281
</3 What why, better switch to SC2 than this.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
July 27 2011 19:49 GMT
#1282
On July 28 2011 04:43 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.


Well, as I said before, there's still the SPL and OSL.


That said, there will come a time in the future (maybe 2 years, maybe 20 years) where there's no more BW pro leagues. And when that time comes, you can scream and stomp your feet and squirm all you want - but that's not a very productive use of your time. It's much better to try and seek out similar venues of entertainment! So I simply suggested to try and broaden your spectating horizons, especially targeting those who never gave another esport a chance, for example!

But if nothing else is even remotely your cup of tea and Korean BW is absolutely the only e-sports you're willing to watch... I'm sorry.


Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 04:42 Essbee wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.




Exactly this, Bobster :/

Edit: I understand when you say there is many new esports games, but they just pale in comparison to BW for us.


I'm trying to find a silver lining here but you guys aren't making it easy.


I know we may seem like hardcores dudes who can't evolve, but it's really hard to find something as satisfying as epic BW moments.

I must say that I could start following Quake since I also really like that game but it's not the same. And I don't know if Quake is really alive right now. I have no clue.

Also, Quake is a good example of a game that evolved well. There were no dramatic changes but at least they kept the core there and I think that's what make it a successful game for quite a long time.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
July 27 2011 19:50 GMT
#1283
On July 28 2011 04:43 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.


Well, as I said before, there's still the SPL and OSL.


That said, there will come a time in the future (maybe 2 years, maybe 20 years) from now where there's no more BW pro leagues. And when that time comes, you can scream and stomp your feet and squirm all you want - but that's not a very productive use of your time. It's much better to try and seek out similar venues of entertainment! So I simply suggested to try and broaden the spectating horizons, especially those who never gave another esport a chance, for example!

If nothing else is even remotely your cup of tea and Korean BW is absolutely the only e-sports you're willing to watch... I'm sorry.


No, Korean BW isn't the only ESPORT I watch.

So what you're trying to say, is that when MBC announced it was closing down, we all should have said "screw this" and gone off to find other stuff. Who are you to say that we can't be unhappy that MBC is closing down?? Who are you to come into this thread and say we're all being silly and unreasonable that our favorite game is potentially losing on of it's largest proscene figures?

If GOMtv was going out of business, no more GSL, would all of us narrow-minded BW fans have ANY place to come in and be like, OH WELL AT LEAST YOU GOT MLG LOL.

There would be people that would do it, and that's classless and stupid. If GOMtv shut down it'd be really bad for SC2, and then when people cry about SC2 in Korea, are you going to go in there and tell them they are being silly?

You do realize that 50% of SPL is with MBCGame, right?

If you enjoy other ESPORTS, then good for you! That's not what this website is about. THATS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. This thread is focused on the fact that MBCGame could be going away forever. Go make a blog or something about the topic and tell us all about other ESPORTS we can get into after "BW is gone" because here isn't the place to be telling us that we're being stupid over this.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 27 2011 19:51 GMT
#1284
On July 28 2011 04:49 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 04:43 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.


Well, as I said before, there's still the SPL and OSL.


That said, there will come a time in the future (maybe 2 years, maybe 20 years) where there's no more BW pro leagues. And when that time comes, you can scream and stomp your feet and squirm all you want - but that's not a very productive use of your time. It's much better to try and seek out similar venues of entertainment! So I simply suggested to try and broaden your spectating horizons, especially targeting those who never gave another esport a chance, for example!

But if nothing else is even remotely your cup of tea and Korean BW is absolutely the only e-sports you're willing to watch... I'm sorry.


On July 28 2011 04:42 Essbee wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.




Exactly this, Bobster :/

Edit: I understand when you say there is many new esports games, but they just pale in comparison to BW for us.


I'm trying to find a silver lining here but you guys aren't making it easy.


I know we may seem like hardcores dudes who can't evolve, but it's really hard to find something as satisfying as epic BW moments.

I must say that I could start following Quake since I also really like that game but it's not the same. And I don't know if Quake is really alive right now. I have no clue.

Also, Quake is a good example of a game that evolved well. There were no dramatic changes but at least they kept the core there and I think that's what make it a successful game for quite a long time.
Quake Live is definitely on its way out, sadly. ESL recently removed it from its premiere IEM lineup and the player scene has been very stagnant in recent years with the same 3 or 4 people dominating everything for years now (which Slasher has mentioned as one of the reasons for its receding popularity iirc).
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 27 2011 19:51 GMT
#1285
Thank God. That was in reply to Bobster btw. -_-

No one wants to hear such b.s.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
July 27 2011 19:52 GMT
#1286
God Fucking Damn it. It's been like 10 years MBC don't do this .

Also, fuck all the stupid GLOBAL ESPORT HYPE bullshit, it has never worked the past 10+ years and there isn't much sign of any improvement beyond some amateur webtv streaming. If you think that's mainstream you have no fucking clue what mainstream is (hint: it isn't some nerd watching streams in their bedroom).

Nothing has yet to achieve mainstream status like BW has and MBCgame / OGN / Kespa are the main players that accomplished this. My 8 year old cousin like JD, not because he likes videogames but because he thinks JD looks boss when crushing players with mutas. Look at BW streams and you see fangirls; they aren't fans of BW (as a game) but fan of the pros/teams and the showmanship aspect of BW. That is mainstream.

Increased viewership of current games only goes to tell you that internet streaming has improved says nothing of viability of games becoming mainstream. Gaming nerds watching stream of videogames they play means absolutely nothing. Sponsorship from gaming hardware makers also mean nothing, they will put in the minimum amount to advertise and then cut n run when the next shiny game comes along. Esport in its nature is bubbly and cyclical and that is why its so rare for a scene to last for one singular game title.

All in all, fuck esports I just want my BW
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
July 27 2011 19:54 GMT
#1287
T-T
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
July 27 2011 19:55 GMT
#1288
On July 28 2011 04:51 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 04:49 Essbee wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:43 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.


Well, as I said before, there's still the SPL and OSL.


That said, there will come a time in the future (maybe 2 years, maybe 20 years) where there's no more BW pro leagues. And when that time comes, you can scream and stomp your feet and squirm all you want - but that's not a very productive use of your time. It's much better to try and seek out similar venues of entertainment! So I simply suggested to try and broaden your spectating horizons, especially targeting those who never gave another esport a chance, for example!

But if nothing else is even remotely your cup of tea and Korean BW is absolutely the only e-sports you're willing to watch... I'm sorry.


On July 28 2011 04:42 Essbee wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:
On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:

What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"

haha oh shi-

Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>


It's a comparison, not an exact representation.

You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.

We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.




Exactly this, Bobster :/

Edit: I understand when you say there is many new esports games, but they just pale in comparison to BW for us.


I'm trying to find a silver lining here but you guys aren't making it easy.


I know we may seem like hardcores dudes who can't evolve, but it's really hard to find something as satisfying as epic BW moments.

I must say that I could start following Quake since I also really like that game but it's not the same. And I don't know if Quake is really alive right now. I have no clue.

Also, Quake is a good example of a game that evolved well. There were no dramatic changes but at least they kept the core there and I think that's what make it a successful game for quite a long time.
Quake Live is definitely on its way out, sadly. ESL recently removed it from its premiere IEM lineup and the player scene has been very stagnant in recent years with the same 3 or 4 people dominating everything for years now (which Slasher has mentioned as one of the reasons for its receding popularity iirc).


Well damn.

I know we shouldn't be talking about that here anyway, so yeah thanks
Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
July 27 2011 20:03 GMT
#1289
On July 28 2011 04:52 wassbix wrote:
God Fucking Damn it. It's been like 10 years MBC don't do this .

Also, fuck all the stupid GLOBAL ESPORT HYPE bullshit, it has never worked the past 10+ years and there isn't much sign of any improvement beyond some amateur webtv streaming. If you think that's mainstream you have no fucking clue what mainstream is (hint: it isn't some nerd watching streams in their bedroom).

Nothing has yet to achieve mainstream status like BW has and MBCgame / OGN / Kespa are the main players that accomplished this. My 8 year old cousin like JD, not because he likes videogames but because he thinks JD looks boss when crushing players with mutas. Look at BW streams and you see fangirls; they aren't fans of BW (as a game) but fan of the pros/teams and the showmanship aspect of BW. That is mainstream.

Increased viewership of current games only goes to tell you that internet streaming has improved says nothing of viability of games becoming mainstream. Gaming nerds watching stream of videogames they play means absolutely nothing. Sponsorship from gaming hardware makers also mean nothing, they will put in the minimum amount to advertise and then cut n run when the next shiny game comes along. Esport in its nature is bubbly and cyclical and that is why its so rare for a scene to last for one singular game title.

All in all, fuck esports I just want my BW


Agreed with every point.

And yes, I just want BW. Fuck esports, nothing has ever come even remotely close to BW in Korea and most likely never will in the foreseeable future.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
July 27 2011 20:05 GMT
#1290
What...Why...I thought it would be atleast 5-10 years from now...This is so sad.... Hopefully things change but that seems unlikely...
u gotta sk8
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4141 Posts
July 27 2011 20:05 GMT
#1291
Lets be optimistic guys, MBC already said nothing is confirmed yet. Hopefully they will realize our passion and continue to move on stronger than ever!
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
July 27 2011 20:06 GMT
#1292
I <3 Proleague. What I'll do without it I do not know... Fall asleep waiting for GSL to start most likely
Other people do 24 hour streams. I just let GoOdy play a Bo11 TvT. - Special Endrey
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
July 27 2011 20:08 GMT
#1293
Continue to post on their twitter (if you haven't), that's the only way to show our support!
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
July 27 2011 20:10 GMT
#1294
NOOOOOO. It's sad to say that maybe Light was actually lucky to be sold to Stars. At least I can resent those in charge less for pushing the finals to be in China. Cmon f92!
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 27 2011 20:14 GMT
#1295
If BW dies that means I'm not following StarCraft anymore. At least I won't waste a lot of time on video games then.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
July 27 2011 20:16 GMT
#1296
I hope not
hi
HipsterNerdz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 20:23:43
July 27 2011 20:23 GMT
#1297
--- Nuked ---
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
July 27 2011 20:24 GMT
#1298
FML. Who's going to be the last MSL champion?
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 27 2011 20:27 GMT
#1299
At least we didn't Overreact to unconfirmed Twitter rumors. That would be embarrasingly childish.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
July 27 2011 20:31 GMT
#1300
Not good news for sc2 or scbw
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