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On July 28 2011 04:05 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 03:27 maybenexttime wrote:On July 28 2011 03:21 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Unbelievable. We all knew bw would slowly die off to sc2, but I had hoped it would be slower than this. So sad. I find it rather surprising that they are making it a music channel instead of continuing with different games. Probably because it's not dying off to SC2. SC2 is in an even worse shape in Korea, so how can it possibly be the cause? T____T It absolutely is the cause. SC2 still has the potential to grow. BW can only go down from here. SC2 killed the player base for BW. Even if the pro competitive scene is weak, the amateur scene is what keeps up the game's vitality. There's no new blood for BW anymore.
Blatantly false. I don't know why people even bother with such statements.
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Why does this year have to suck so much.
+ Show Spoiler + fuck shit crap shag tits sod
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On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D
just cause more people are coming in doesnt mean the games are better. nothing can match bw's perfection. popularity =/= quality of games
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On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything?  What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child: "Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D"
haha oh shi-
Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>
On July 28 2011 04:26 Kal_rA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D just cause more people are coming in doesnt mean the games are better. nothing can match bw's perfection. popularity =/= quality of games
Never said they're better, just that there are more legitimate e-sports disciplines out there than ever before!
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On July 28 2011 04:21 Essbee wrote:Why? he isn't in mbc anymore.
The joke was that Bisu has never won an OSL and only ever done well in the MSL. Without the MSL he won't ever be able to win again! D;
This is sad but people need to chill the fuck out. OGN is still around as is KeSPA. People talked about the death of BW when match fixing happened, when SC2 first came out, and when Blizzard started suiting everyone. This definitely sucks but it's not like BW is going to die because of it (at least not yet).
BW is still more popular than SC2 in South Korea so as long as an SC2 scene exists there a BW scene will too.
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On July 28 2011 04:26 King[Neikos] wrote:Why does this year have to suck so much. + Show Spoiler + fuck shit crap shag tits sod
- WCG drop BW. check
- WeMadeFOX rumors about disbanding. check
- MBCGame rumors about shutting down. check
- Almost no Protosses in later stages of starleagues. check
- Yellow retirement. check
- Boxer, Nada and July switching to SC2. check
Well, I must say that I totally agree with you 
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On July 28 2011 04:30 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:21 Essbee wrote:On July 28 2011 04:19 Sabu113 wrote:
T.T
Will some body think of the Bisu? Why? he isn't in mbc anymore. The joke was that Bisu has never won an OSL and only ever done well in the MSL. Without the MSL he won't ever be able to win again! D; This is sad but people need to chill the fuck out. OGN is still around as is KeSPA. People talked about the death of BW when match fixing happened, when SC2 first came out, and when Blizzard started suiting everyone. This definitely sucks but it's not like BW is going to die because of it (at least not yet). BW is still more popular than SC2 in South Korea so as long as an SC2 scene exists there a BW scene will too.
Oh lol I feel dumb. Thanks for pointing that out >_<
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Fuck this shit. Seriously. Just getting more depressed the more I'm imagineing the outcome
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On July 28 2011 04:23 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:16 rabidch wrote:On July 28 2011 04:10 Xiphos wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 PH wrote:On July 28 2011 03:27 maybenexttime wrote:On July 28 2011 03:21 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Unbelievable. We all knew bw would slowly die off to sc2, but I had hoped it would be slower than this. So sad. I find it rather surprising that they are making it a music channel instead of continuing with different games. Probably because it's not dying off to SC2. SC2 is in an even worse shape in Korea, so how can it possibly be the cause? T____T It absolutely is the cause. SC2 still has the potential to grow. BW can only go down from here. SC2 killed the player base for BW. Even if the pro competitive scene is weak, the amateur scene is what keeps up the game's vitality. There's no new blood for BW anymore. I think a part of the reason is also of the match fixing. They should have let the players keep their licence and keep on playing with some other of punishment like a huge fine and community service. Think about it, in the match fixing, 2 progaming teams are lost and potential players have been lost. It shrunk the scene by a HUGE proportion. If the players still stayed, there would still be OGN sparkys and the soul of eStro (Upmagic) would have still stayed. The whole scene would be more grand than what it is today. Oh yeah and savior killed BW!!!!!!!! in before savior puns Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:22 Lumire wrote:On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything? Get the fuck out, this happening has nothing to do with sc2, sc2 is not even close to popular in Korea. And no we dont have an alternative, we have a crappy game that we dont like with a foreigner scene much like wc3's. Well, it's clear that you're very bitter right now. And while I can empathise (I also felt bad when IEM made the Quake Live announcement), I can't commend you for lashing out against other games and other people like this. :/ You'll realise that this isn't the end of the world once you've slept over it. Hey, maybe check out some other games (I'm not saying it has to be SC2, even, maybe watch some SC2BW or something) and you'll find another e-sport you like. There are more to choose from than ever right now. :D
So...are you just trying to be a dick as much as you can or are you actually going to say something worth reading?
Also, if you're going to go after someone for using "your," I'm going to call you out for not being able to spell empathize and realize when we have a built in spell check.
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On July 28 2011 04:34 TheGlassface wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:23 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:16 rabidch wrote:On July 28 2011 04:10 Xiphos wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 PH wrote:On July 28 2011 03:27 maybenexttime wrote:On July 28 2011 03:21 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Unbelievable. We all knew bw would slowly die off to sc2, but I had hoped it would be slower than this. So sad. I find it rather surprising that they are making it a music channel instead of continuing with different games. Probably because it's not dying off to SC2. SC2 is in an even worse shape in Korea, so how can it possibly be the cause? T____T It absolutely is the cause. SC2 still has the potential to grow. BW can only go down from here. SC2 killed the player base for BW. Even if the pro competitive scene is weak, the amateur scene is what keeps up the game's vitality. There's no new blood for BW anymore. I think a part of the reason is also of the match fixing. They should have let the players keep their licence and keep on playing with some other of punishment like a huge fine and community service. Think about it, in the match fixing, 2 progaming teams are lost and potential players have been lost. It shrunk the scene by a HUGE proportion. If the players still stayed, there would still be OGN sparkys and the soul of eStro (Upmagic) would have still stayed. The whole scene would be more grand than what it is today. Oh yeah and savior killed BW!!!!!!!! in before savior puns On July 28 2011 04:22 Lumire wrote:On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything? Get the fuck out, this happening has nothing to do with sc2, sc2 is not even close to popular in Korea. And no we dont have an alternative, we have a crappy game that we dont like with a foreigner scene much like wc3's. Well, it's clear that you're very bitter right now. And while I can empathise (I also felt bad when IEM made the Quake Live announcement), I can't commend you for lashing out against other games and other people like this. :/ You'll realise that this isn't the end of the world once you've slept over it. Hey, maybe check out some other games (I'm not saying it has to be SC2, even, maybe watch some SC2BW or something) and you'll find another e-sport you like. There are more to choose from than ever right now. :D So...are you just trying to be a dick as much as you can or are you actually going to say something worth reading? Also, if you're going to go after someone for using "your," I'm going to call you out for not being able to spell empathize and realize when we have a built in spell check. Sorry that you don't like my opinion!
And I hope you realise that my spelling of empathise is perfectly fine, go look it up.
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On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything? What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child: "Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:26 Kal_rA wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D just cause more people are coming in doesnt mean the games are better. nothing can match bw's perfection. popularity =/= quality of games Never said they're better, just that there are more legitimate e-sports disciplines out there than ever before!
...and no one seems to know if SC2 right now is a bubble or a wave (thinking of a thread on TL) - one year isn't enough to prognosticate anything.
The only alternative is SC2, for fans of RTS e-sports. Not many people are fans of multiple genres of games at once. Speaking of SC2, the game itself sucks - I think most of us are just hoping that the expansions are good. If it weren't for a few progamers who I enjoy watching (one who switched from Woongjin, and a few of his current IM teammates), I wouldn't give a damn. I can watch and enjoy any game between high level A-teamers in BW.
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On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_>
It's a comparison, not an exact representation.
You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there.
We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.
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On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> It's a comparison, not an exact representation. You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there. We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.
Exactly this, Bobster :/
Edit: I understand when you say there is many new esports games, but they just pale in comparison to BW for us.
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On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> It's a comparison, not an exact representation. You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there. We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.
I really wonder why all the SC2 promoters have such a hard time understanding this bit.
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WAT?!!! NO!!!!!!!!!
NOT LIKE THIS!!! if mbc ends, then scbw as we know it will shrivel... and i cant possibly look at starcraft 2... T.T FLASH GOGO YOUR TIME IS NOW!!! BREAK NADAS RECORD AND HOLD THE PERMANENT 4 MSL!!!
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On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> It's a comparison, not an exact representation. You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there. We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT. Well, as I said before, there's still the SPL and OSL.
That said, there will come a time in the future (maybe 2 years, maybe 20 years) where there's no more BW pro leagues. And when that time comes, you can scream and stomp your feet and squirm all you want - but that's not a very productive use of your time. It's much better to try and seek out similar venues of entertainment! So I simply suggested to try and broaden your spectating horizons, especially targeting those who never gave another esport a chance, for example!
But if nothing else is even remotely your cup of tea and Korean BW is absolutely the only e-sports you're willing to watch... I'm sorry.
On July 28 2011 04:42 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> It's a comparison, not an exact representation. You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there. We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT. Exactly this, Bobster :/ Edit: I understand when you say there is many new esports games, but they just pale in comparison to BW for us.
I'm trying to find a silver lining here but you guys aren't making it easy.
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This is very unfortunate news for Korean E-sports scene. MBC Game has always a certain possibilities to hold BW tournament and in the future, SC2 and other games. But now they are planning to abandon the possibilities, not only give up BW, but the other games too.
Perhaps, for Kespa this is the chance to prove why they are named Kespa in the first place. Even though the only thing they have been cared about is money, so that they held so many matches of BW and just a little bit of FPS and the other games, but they must find a way to change MBC game's decision.
Also, I fear that most of korean fans already give up hope, because they were failed to change the mind of Kespa when PL finals in Shanghai announced.
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On July 28 2011 04:36 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:34 TheGlassface wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:16 rabidch wrote:On July 28 2011 04:10 Xiphos wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 PH wrote:On July 28 2011 03:27 maybenexttime wrote:On July 28 2011 03:21 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Unbelievable. We all knew bw would slowly die off to sc2, but I had hoped it would be slower than this. So sad. I find it rather surprising that they are making it a music channel instead of continuing with different games. Probably because it's not dying off to SC2. SC2 is in an even worse shape in Korea, so how can it possibly be the cause? T____T It absolutely is the cause. SC2 still has the potential to grow. BW can only go down from here. SC2 killed the player base for BW. Even if the pro competitive scene is weak, the amateur scene is what keeps up the game's vitality. There's no new blood for BW anymore. I think a part of the reason is also of the match fixing. They should have let the players keep their licence and keep on playing with some other of punishment like a huge fine and community service. Think about it, in the match fixing, 2 progaming teams are lost and potential players have been lost. It shrunk the scene by a HUGE proportion. If the players still stayed, there would still be OGN sparkys and the soul of eStro (Upmagic) would have still stayed. The whole scene would be more grand than what it is today. Oh yeah and savior killed BW!!!!!!!! in before savior puns On July 28 2011 04:22 Lumire wrote:On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything? Get the fuck out, this happening has nothing to do with sc2, sc2 is not even close to popular in Korea. And no we dont have an alternative, we have a crappy game that we dont like with a foreigner scene much like wc3's. Well, it's clear that you're very bitter right now. And while I can empathise (I also felt bad when IEM made the Quake Live announcement), I can't commend you for lashing out against other games and other people like this. :/ You'll realise that this isn't the end of the world once you've slept over it. Hey, maybe check out some other games (I'm not saying it has to be SC2, even, maybe watch some SC2BW or something) and you'll find another e-sport you like. There are more to choose from than ever right now. :D So...are you just trying to be a dick as much as you can or are you actually going to say something worth reading? Also, if you're going to go after someone for using "your," I'm going to call you out for not being able to spell empathize and realize when we have a built in spell check. Sorry that you don't like my opinion! And I hope you realise that my spelling of empathise is perfectly fine, go look it up.
Hm, I'll be damned. Glad to see you couldn't resist throwing in that shit-eating grin smiley though.
Good work.
Also, it's not just me here that doesn't like your opinion man. That's all anyone is trying to say. You're just trying to stir trouble up and the speed at which you're posting back and the tone you take make it obvious.
It's posts like yours which create this whole air of fans vs fans and in a topic like this, tt's completely uncalled for. So, throw back whatever smart ass remark you intend to and let's be done with this.
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On July 28 2011 04:39 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:28 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 antilyon wrote:
What you said is equal of saying to a father who lost his child:
"Hey cheer-up, you have another child :D" haha oh shi- Some people cope better with loss than others. Comparing the cancellation of MSL with the loss of a child though.... don't know if that's healthy. >_> It's a comparison, not an exact representation. You're not doing a good job of being sympathetic (or helpful) so just stop trying to convince us that there's "other ESPORTS" out there. We like Brood War. We don't want to stop watching Brood War. How hard is that to understand? If we wanted to watch SC2, CoH, Halo, CoD, whatever, WE WOULD WATCH IT.
I think his reasoning for saying what he's said is cause everyone is being a bit overdramatic and acting like it's the end of the world. BW survived the match fixing didnt it? What's to say it can't survive this?
It'd be a bit different if both OGN and MBCGame were shutting down but they're not, it's only MBCGame. BW can still live on. There's still the OSL. There's still the SPL. And who knows maybe we can get another Starleague somehow.
But yeah. I understand this so much. I mean I love both BW and SC2, but to compare it to something else I'd compare it a little to MLG and Halo. Halo: Reach came out somewhat recently and it was completely different from the first 3 and I stopped watching Halo cause of it. It's not the same. I don't want to see that, I want to see H1/2/3.
People just don't understand though.
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On July 28 2011 04:44 TheGlassface wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:36 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:34 TheGlassface wrote:On July 28 2011 04:23 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:16 rabidch wrote:On July 28 2011 04:10 Xiphos wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 PH wrote:On July 28 2011 03:27 maybenexttime wrote:On July 28 2011 03:21 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Unbelievable. We all knew bw would slowly die off to sc2, but I had hoped it would be slower than this. So sad. I find it rather surprising that they are making it a music channel instead of continuing with different games. Probably because it's not dying off to SC2. SC2 is in an even worse shape in Korea, so how can it possibly be the cause? T____T It absolutely is the cause. SC2 still has the potential to grow. BW can only go down from here. SC2 killed the player base for BW. Even if the pro competitive scene is weak, the amateur scene is what keeps up the game's vitality. There's no new blood for BW anymore. I think a part of the reason is also of the match fixing. They should have let the players keep their licence and keep on playing with some other of punishment like a huge fine and community service. Think about it, in the match fixing, 2 progaming teams are lost and potential players have been lost. It shrunk the scene by a HUGE proportion. If the players still stayed, there would still be OGN sparkys and the soul of eStro (Upmagic) would have still stayed. The whole scene would be more grand than what it is today. Oh yeah and savior killed BW!!!!!!!! in before savior puns On July 28 2011 04:22 Lumire wrote:On July 28 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote:On July 28 2011 04:05 phosphorylation wrote:On July 28 2011 03:58 Bobster wrote:
Well, something like this was a long time coming. Many people had been predicting the death of the BW scene as soon as SC2 was announced and then released.
BW had a great run, but every good thing has to come to an end. Luckily, e-sports fans have more alternatives/successors to replace spectating BW with than ever! The scene is growing explosively with more people coming in basically every day. :D your dumb go away What does my dumb have to do with anything? Get the fuck out, this happening has nothing to do with sc2, sc2 is not even close to popular in Korea. And no we dont have an alternative, we have a crappy game that we dont like with a foreigner scene much like wc3's. Well, it's clear that you're very bitter right now. And while I can empathise (I also felt bad when IEM made the Quake Live announcement), I can't commend you for lashing out against other games and other people like this. :/ You'll realise that this isn't the end of the world once you've slept over it. Hey, maybe check out some other games (I'm not saying it has to be SC2, even, maybe watch some SC2BW or something) and you'll find another e-sport you like. There are more to choose from than ever right now. :D So...are you just trying to be a dick as much as you can or are you actually going to say something worth reading? Also, if you're going to go after someone for using "your," I'm going to call you out for not being able to spell empathize and realize when we have a built in spell check. Sorry that you don't like my opinion! And I hope you realise that my spelling of empathise is perfectly fine, go look it up. Hm, I'll be damned. Glad to see you couldn't resist throwing in that shit-eating grin smiley though. Good work. Also, it's not just me here that doesn't like your opinion man. That's all anyone is trying to say. You're just trying to stir trouble up and the speed at which you're posting back and the tone you take make it obvious. It's posts like yours which create this whole air of fans vs fans and in a topic like this, tt's completely uncalled for. So, throw back whatever smart ass remark you intend to and let's be done with this. Hm, I feel there's some sort of miscommunication here, but as you wish, I'll speak of it no more!
See you guys around, I guess. :/
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