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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
CCGaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States417 Posts
July 27 2011 17:14 GMT
#1181
;;
No...
Never being able to see MSL live....
Take me to Korea
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 17:17:30
July 27 2011 17:15 GMT
#1182
On July 28 2011 02:00 Achromic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 01:53 Black[CAT] wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:39 raistline123 wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:35 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:24 raistline123 wrote:
I apologize for asking this question, but why is everyone saying that if BW dies e-sports will follow behind it?

And why would it be bad for the SC2 scene?


A major media company decides eSports is not a worthy investment, how could it not be bad for SC2?



A major media company in Korea, SC2 is thriving in the west. I'm not trying to be rude or cause any trouble, but I can't see how this would effect SC2 or E-sports in general.

Yea it may be dying in Korea but ESPORTS is thriving throughout the rest of the world


Foreign eSports? For now. Just like foreigner BW in the early days, it will die down. Foreigners love the latest/shiny stuff.

Exactly.

Do you honestly think SC2 is thriving globally? It's very unstable to build a business on top of a single game anyway since games constantly evolve over time and this is why Starcraft BW in Korea is so amazing. SC2 just smells like a fad and I doubt it will become huge.



On July 28 2011 02:02 Black[CAT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 01:57 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:53 Black[CAT] wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:39 raistline123 wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:35 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:24 raistline123 wrote:
I apologize for asking this question, but why is everyone saying that if BW dies e-sports will follow behind it?

And why would it be bad for the SC2 scene?


A major media company decides eSports is not a worthy investment, how could it not be bad for SC2?



A major media company in Korea, SC2 is thriving in the west. I'm not trying to be rude or cause any trouble, but I can't see how this would effect SC2 or E-sports in general.

Yea it may be dying in Korea but ESPORTS is thriving throughout the rest of the world


Foreign eSports? For now. Just like foreigner BW in the early days, it will die down. Foreigners love the latest/shiny stuff.


Also there's a massive difference in the business of it. Here primarily tech companies sponsor and advertise in eSports so they can sell computer/console apparel to gamers. In Korea they advertise things you'd see during any normal sporting event, everyday stuff.


True, true. If foreign esports has even a toothpaste ad or even a retail outlet ad or something along mainstream lines(cant think of examples, sleepy), I wouldn't call the western scene legit in terms of sustainability.


These are exactly why this is bad for BW, SC2 and ESPORTS.

The foreigner eSports scene is indeed a joke, as it is now. Aside from SC2 it is no more popular than it has been anytime in the past years, and even the SC2 sponsors are the same ones that traditionally sponsored every other game that has been popular for a short time and then disappeared. The problem with these sponsors, is that they MUST promote newer games in place of the old ones in order to sell their products, it is a system that inherently cannot be sustainable.

MBC, being a pillar of the BW model, represented an economic model that was upheld by sponsors, in who's interests was not to intentionally break an existing eSports scene in order to make way for every new game that comes out.

While I find it honestly hard right now to even care what happens to eSports in general, in lew of the effects of this on BW, I find it hard to believe that people do not see that the 'thriving foreigner scene', that people are looking to light the way of eSports, is exactly what it looked like a decade or more ago, the exact system that has failed to promote anything even resembling a sustainable eSport to date.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 17:21:23
July 27 2011 17:20 GMT
#1183
On July 28 2011 02:15 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
These are exactly why this is bad for BW, SC2 and ESPORTS.

The foreigner eSports scene is indeed a joke, as it is now. Aside from SC2 it is no more popular than it has been anytime in the past years, and even the SC2 sponsors are the same ones that traditionally sponsored every other game that has been popular for a short time and then disappeared. The problem with these sponsors, is that they MUST promote newer games in place of the old ones in order to sell their products, it is a system that inherently cannot be sustainable.

MBC, being a pillar of the BW model, represented an economic model that was upheld by sponsors, in who's interests was not to intentionally break an existing eSports scene in order to make way for every new game that comes out.

While I find it honestly hard right now to even care what happens to eSports in general, in lew of the effects of this on BW, I find it hard to believe that people do not see that the 'thriving foreigner scene', that people are looking to light the way of eSports, is exactly what it looked like a decade or more ago, the exact system that has failed to promote anything even resembling a sustainable eSport to date.


Yeah, if anyone remembers how Counter-Strike was at its prime, the current SC2 scene is pretty much a carbon copy of it. Some sponsored teams, lots of online tournaments and ladders, a few major events per year. Only the online content delivery technology has evolved since then, international eSports is still pretty much the same, i.e. very little advancement in the past decade.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
July 27 2011 17:34 GMT
#1184
On July 28 2011 01:46 AlBundy wrote:
Guys, Korea is pretty much the only country in the world where ESPORTS is mainstream. If sc2 scene doesn't survive in THIS country, then how do you think it will fare in other countries???


Perhaps TV is no longer the mainstream media in Korea... there is a shift towards the internet in all media and this is just the beginning. This is not a sign of ESPORTS dying you are tools to think that. As the internet becomes the major hub for all types of media-related events, ESPORTS will only become more popular, it's inevitable.
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
July 27 2011 17:37 GMT
#1185
It's all bout business. Since kpop is booming right now, they prolly wanna gain more $$$ through it.
It's so &@^#*@ sad day for me. Family probs, gf, and now this? :'(

Can anyone provide the reaction of korean netizens bout it? Maybe they will rally in front of the company or seomthing
ovrpwrd
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
July 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#1186
On July 28 2011 02:06 raistline123 wrote:
Well I hope everyone is gonna be proved wrong on the whole this will kill ESPORTS scene, I for one don't want to see it vanish.

And if what most of you are saying turns out to be true what will happen with our beloved TL community. Considering BW is pretty much dead, and from what everyone else is saying the soon to be SC2 death after it there would be no re4ason to continue having this site.

Thing with that is that people are exaggerating because they're upset. Starcraft isn't eSports. Starcraft is just a part of it. There's so many other games that are still out there, and just cause it's big in Korea and it's broadcast on TV doesn't mean much to eSports as a whole tbh. BW was pretty much an anomaly. It was the biggest part of eSports, but that doesn't mean that losing a Starleague means everything is going to collapse and eSports will be no more. That's like pretty arrogant actually, that's saying that eSports will never be able to survive without BW when internationally you have MLG who had Halo, CoD, Tekken, R6V, etc etc and it was doing fine without Starcraft. Maybe the scene will die in Korea, but it will live on elsewhere.

Let's face it, we all knew BW wasn't going to last forever. If it does die soon, then well it sucks but it had an amazing run. A run that will most likely never be matched.

Also to the people calling K-Pop evil, well, it's not evil, MBC is.

But hopefully we can get some more BW events though. Maybe MLG can try and hold an event. BW alongside SC2 in America maybe (but they'd have to invite BoxeR and NaDa to that event cause it just has to happen). I dunno I don't want BW to die after all. Not just yet at least. I hope something good happens.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
ZergMaestro
Profile Joined January 2011
United States169 Posts
July 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#1187
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

fuck man.
Ma Jae Yoon #1. The ONLY Maestro. Effort.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
July 27 2011 17:39 GMT
#1188
Will we eventually see STX Hero? Will be pretty interesting. Fuck.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
July 27 2011 17:40 GMT
#1189
I hope this does not happen, not just for the mbc game team but for BW in general
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
July 27 2011 17:40 GMT
#1190
On July 28 2011 02:20 Mannerheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 02:15 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
These are exactly why this is bad for BW, SC2 and ESPORTS.

The foreigner eSports scene is indeed a joke, as it is now. Aside from SC2 it is no more popular than it has been anytime in the past years, and even the SC2 sponsors are the same ones that traditionally sponsored every other game that has been popular for a short time and then disappeared. The problem with these sponsors, is that they MUST promote newer games in place of the old ones in order to sell their products, it is a system that inherently cannot be sustainable.

MBC, being a pillar of the BW model, represented an economic model that was upheld by sponsors, in who's interests was not to intentionally break an existing eSports scene in order to make way for every new game that comes out.

While I find it honestly hard right now to even care what happens to eSports in general, in lew of the effects of this on BW, I find it hard to believe that people do not see that the 'thriving foreigner scene', that people are looking to light the way of eSports, is exactly what it looked like a decade or more ago, the exact system that has failed to promote anything even resembling a sustainable eSport to date.


Yeah, if anyone remembers how Counter-Strike was at its prime, the current SC2 scene is pretty much a carbon copy of it. Some sponsored teams, lots of online tournaments and ladders, a few major events per year. Only the online content delivery technology has evolved since then, international eSports is still pretty much the same, i.e. very little advancement in the past decade.


Right... there were a million viewers watching CS matches in real time throughout the world. If you think about it, the online content delivery technology is what will drive e-sports to become more popular.. things have changed.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
July 27 2011 17:41 GMT
#1191
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
jaedong imba
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 27 2011 17:43 GMT
#1192
Theres never been a million viewer event.. League of Legends at Dreamhack was the highest verified number with 210 000 live
Aah thats the stuff..
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
July 27 2011 17:44 GMT
#1193
this is what happens when we as a community condone that kpop shit

all you streamers who shove kpop in our faces between games, THIS IS YOUR FAULT :S
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Chux
Profile Joined June 2009
Peru255 Posts
July 27 2011 17:47 GMT
#1194
This update brings some heat to my heart.. but im still worried.

Let's hope for more MSLs!
MSL 2052-2053, here we go!
Trajan98
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada203 Posts
July 27 2011 17:48 GMT
#1195
Sad to see MBC becoming a kpop channel

Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
July 27 2011 17:49 GMT
#1196
Holy shit! Thats really all I can think of to say.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
July 27 2011 17:50 GMT
#1197
EVERYONE GO TO THE OTHER THREAD PLZ. If we have as many people that have posted in this thread go here and show our support for BW then we may be able to encourage them to keep it running: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=248299

I made a twitter account just to let them know, you should too!
jaedong imba
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
July 27 2011 17:50 GMT
#1198
Wow this REALLY sucks... I was SO close to getting to Korea to see it live!

T_T
For Aiur???
tanggehot
Profile Joined July 2011
China26 Posts
July 27 2011 17:55 GMT
#1199
i think it's just a trick by MBC to attract people's attention because of msl~~~~~~~~~
En Taro Tassadar~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
July 27 2011 17:56 GMT
#1200
this is pretty fucking terrible for all esports in korea. this is just a sad day for esports in general.
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