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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
And, when I do start, are there any good tips on playing for a beginner? Like what race is the most fun to play, etc. I'm around like a Gold-Plat Protoss in SC2. I love playing Zerg its so fun though ^^ But please answer some of my questions if you can! Thanks,, Mooki. (Sorry if this is in the wrong section) | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
I would recommend doing some campaign first just to get a feel for the interface and the units. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
Most fun to play is subjective, you're just going to have play all 3 races and see which one is the most fun for you. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
Most people on TL start playing on one of two private servers, ICCup ( http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html ) or Fish (a more competitive Korean server). You can play on Battle.net too but I wouldn't recommend it. You can't really say which race is the most fun to play since it really just comes down to preference. Liquipedia will be your friend for starting out ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Main_Page ). It gives a pretty good overview of BW builds and Strategy. If you have more questions just ask ^.^ | ||
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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
 Thanks so much! Maybe you'll see me posting more on the BW forums! Looking forward to playing :DMaybe someone can play with me. EDIT: Thanks Snow I will look through that for sure!EDIT2: Well, hell. Thanks everyone | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
This is a link to a guide for player switching from SC2 to BW. It's an in progress guide, but definitely a heeping helpful share of start. Written/video'd by one of the more prominent players in the scene outside of Korea. | ||
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Pippah
Denmark356 Posts
. Just PM me when you have yourself set up on ICCUP and we will work something out | ||
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Thug[ro]
Romania340 Posts
but don't give up.Play bnet for starter then after couple of weeks or 1-2 month i suggest iccup but you will just get crushed TT Dont loose hope though, SC BW is the best game evah! | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
best of luck! | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
All the troubles are worth it just for Live/VoD matches. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
When getting into online play, I would suggest finding some people on TL who are in the same position as you (i.e. SC2 players getting into BW) and practice with them. Also watch VODs with english commentary, check liquipedia and download some pro replays to learn build orders and stuff, watch the early Day[9] dailies where he covered BW games. It's a good idea to try and practice a single matchup on a single map and once you get the hang of it, you can move on to others. | ||
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TrueZerG
43 Posts
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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
The mechanics of the game are also different: you can't queue orders the same way, buildings are not paid for until their foundations are laid (sometimes leads to failed build commands), workers cannot be rallied to mine, and of course MBS and unlimited unit select are not options. This means one has to be very proficient with hotkeying/constantly creating new control groups. Rather than just adding units to ctrl+1 all game, you'll likely have to create another control group every 30 seconds or so on average to get up to C- level. With all these warnings I will say its a really fun rewarding game. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
I dont have any buisness with g2play but it's a serious and fast website, i bought many many games at their online store with no problem. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On July 20 2011 06:05 SirKibbleX wrote: Actually, I feel like Protoss is far and away the most fun race to play in BW, especially if you're coming from BW. (This coming from someone who mains Zerg). Every matchup is fun and micro is strongly rewarded, but not 100% necessary for basic play. If you play Zerg or Terran there is a huge minimum level of micro/army control required just to be somewhat competitive. The mirror of ZvZ and TvT are incredibly difficult/frustrating for newer players, so I'd avoid those at first. PvP is very reminiscent of SC2 TvT. I agree though, play the single player campaigns (you can cheat for maybe the last level or two of each campaign, some of them are insanely tough). The mechanics of the game are also different: you can't queue orders the same way, buildings are not paid for until their foundations are laid (sometimes leads to failed build commands), workers cannot be rallied to mine, and of course MBS and unlimited unit select are not options. This means one has to be very proficient with hotkeying/constantly creating new control groups. Rather than just adding units to ctrl+1 all game, you'll likely have to create another control group every 30 seconds or so on average to get up to C- level. With all these warnings I will say its a really fun rewarding game. Im pretty sure ZvT and ZvP are regarded as the most fun matchups - at least in the latest polls in TL. As such, choosing Z for fun factor is the straight forward option. Yes ZvZ is debatable, however it is fast and full of action, while TvP tends to be a slow lumbering macro fest, discouraging to AdHd guys like a lot of starcraft players. | ||
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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
On July 20 2011 07:26 gds wrote: Dont buy at wallmart, use the site g2play.com to buy your BW it's only 3.99€ and you receive your key in about 1 hour by email. Then you download the game on battle.net and voila. I dont have any buisness with g2play but it's a serious and fast website, i bought many many games at their online store with no problem. Um, no offence but why? I honestly don't really trust sites like that, I'm in NA and I can't buy anything online. (That's just me though) Also, do you think getting 'decent' at BW would help me a lot with SC2? I'm thinking about switching to Zerg but I'm not sure yet. Thanks guys So nice!  | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On July 20 2011 08:27 banditproductions wrote: Um, no offence but why? I honestly don't really trust sites like that, I'm in NA and I can't buy anything online. (That's just me though) Also, do you think getting 'decent' at BW would help me a lot with SC2? I'm thinking about switching to Zerg but I'm not sure yet. Thanks guys So nice! Yes, if you can get to a point where you have decent mechanics in BW, then you should have a much easier time with SC2 mechanics. However, you should play BW for BW. If your ultimate goal is to get better at SC2, then you're better off just playing SC2. | ||
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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
On July 20 2011 09:59 DarkMatter_ wrote: Yes, if you can get to a point where you have decent mechanics in BW, then you should have a much easier time with SC2 mechanics. However, you should play BW for BW. If your ultimate goal is to get better at SC2, then you're better off just playing SC2. Yeah, defitnly understandable. I wanna play BW for fun, but wanna get okay at it. And, I wanna get real good at SC2, but that'll be a bit before I am. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10230 Posts
also, i highly recommend ICCup, people there will be your level. Once you get like C/C+, you might want to switch to the Brain or Fish servers that are more competitive. | ||
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Mvz
206 Posts
On July 20 2011 10:07 banditproductions wrote: Yeah, defitnly understandable. I wanna play BW for fun, but wanna get okay at it. And, I wanna get real good at SC2, but that'll be a bit before I am. Well, it will be even longer till you're good at SC2 if you are gonna get "okay" at BW, I can tell you that. :p | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
1) Post on how you are new to BW and need help 2) Ignore advice to look up liquidpedia 3) Roll onto iccup and proceed to get rolled in 20 games 4) Accept advice and look up liquidpedia build orders 5) continue to get rolled because of bad macro 6) continue to get rolled because of lack of game sense 7) Read EVERYTHING related to your race on liquidpedia 8) Continue to get rolled | ||
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Zyferous
United States270 Posts
I would mostly recommend reading through liquidpedia, looking through this, watching a vew vods on nevake's channel, and learning build orders before jumping on iccup to get roflstomped the first 20 or so games. Every bw player knows this process well. Starting the game, you will lose your first 20-30 games on iccup but don't worry about it. Losing is part of the learning process, Watch your replays and figure out where you went wrong and how you could improve. | ||
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
So, OSL MSL SPL and 1v3,4,5,6,7 with computer. have fun! | ||
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Zyferous
United States270 Posts
On July 20 2011 11:46 everstarleague wrote: You are a genius! So you are suggested to watch OSL, MSL and Proleague online or by vod, and then play for fan even with computer. You should use the osl msl proleague match map, so when you watch progamer's match, you can get a better sense of the process of that match and your heart can beat with the cry of the fans present. So, OSL MSL SPL and 1v3,4,5,6,7 with computer. have fun! Sounds about right. we have a bunch of masochists in this community apparently xD | ||
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Yorke
England881 Posts
On July 20 2011 03:42 Magus wrote: BW lets you have as many accounts as you want as soon as you buy it, and that account can play on any server against anyone with no region locking. Most fun to play is subjective, you're just going to have play all 3 races and see which one is the most fun for you. It makes me so sad to think how much regression there was from BW to SC2 (purely in terms of infrastructure/usability). | ||
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On July 20 2011 09:59 DarkMatter_ wrote: Yes, if you can get to a point where you have decent mechanics in BW, then you should have a much easier time with SC2 mechanics. However, you should play BW for BW. If your ultimate goal is to get better at SC2, then you're better off just playing SC2. I'd actually say that playing bw has increased my eAPM, macro ability, and mechanics in general. Beyond mechanics, if you want to be good at sc2, play sc2 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
1. Bring lots of patience, the mechanics are different compared to SC2, things wouldn't be as easy. 2. It takes a lot of practice - from splitting probes to scouting properly while still getting your BO right, but since you have some SC2 background (which in no way I can assess), you can wing this. 3. Get a practice partner? So you can get the BO, timing and counters right. It's easier if you have a friend who can practice with you and review the replays so you can analyze the replay with him or whatnot. Oh yeah, LAN motherfucker. | ||
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mevshero
911 Posts
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Gulfstream
United States38 Posts
Edit: This is also intended as a question to the OP along with people on TL with more experience than me. Basically: why do you think playing BW is better for your skills at SC2, than just playing SC2? | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I just see no need in sending someone off of the deep end into ICCUP. Out of gold/plat they will have no real mechanics and will just be punished over and over for it. On July 20 2011 03:42 Magus wrote: BW lets you have as many accounts as you want as soon as you buy it, and that account can play on any server against anyone with no region locking. Most fun to play is subjective, you're just going to have play all 3 races and see which one is the most fun for you. I cried inside when I read this. | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
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Gulfstream
United States38 Posts
On July 21 2011 19:28 freestalker wrote: you can always download multiplayer version of BW for free from iccup. and it's legal! Or you could pay Blizzard what they deserve. | ||
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edc
United States666 Posts
On July 20 2011 10:07 banditproductions wrote: Yeah, defitnly understandable. I wanna play BW for fun, but wanna get okay at it. And, I wanna get real good at SC2, but that'll be a bit before I am. I am a SC2 Protoss player who likes to play Terran in BW. One important tip I must give you is to use your Vultures to their greatest potential. Raid expos, snipe solitary units, surround armies and drop mines before escaping, and plant mines in various places to gain map control and vision. Also, Dropships are still important, so do the harass in Brood War which annoys so many people in SC2. Other than that, good luck! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On second thought just play the campaign and don't listen to our talk of Liquipedia or IcCup. | ||
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Artunit
Philippines399 Posts
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
aside from watching VOD and liquipedia. My friend got to low D in 1 month only. | ||
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banditproductions
United States48 Posts
On July 21 2011 18:53 Gulfstream wrote: Are people coming to BW to help their SC2 game because they think it's easier or simpler or what? I've noticed this on iCCup and while lurking here at TL, but it never makes sense to me. At first I thought people were coming to BW because SC2 wasn't what they thought it would be. The more I see it, however, the more it seems like people are trying to develop some rudimentary abilities by playing a much harder and different game. Edit: This is also intended as a question to the OP along with people on TL with more experience than me. Basically: why do you think playing BW is better for your skills at SC2, than just playing SC2? I'm gonna play BW or fun. I'm just saying it MIGHT help me with SC2. BW looks like fun, so I'm want to buy it and play it for fun. Some people may be like that, not sure. I was just saying BW will probably help me in SC2. | ||
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Wrath 2.1
Germany880 Posts
And don't expect to get out of d/d- quick^^ | ||
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Gulfstream
United States38 Posts
On July 21 2011 22:49 banditproductions wrote: [+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2011 18:53 Gulfstream wrote: Are people coming to BW to help their SC2 game because they think it's easier or simpler or what? I've noticed this on iCCup and while lurking here at TL, but it never makes sense to me. At first I thought people were coming to BW because SC2 wasn't what they thought it would be. The more I see it, however, the more it seems like people are trying to develop some rudimentary abilities by playing a much harder and different game. Edit: This is also intended as a question to the OP along with people on TL with more experience than me. Basically: why do you think playing BW is better for your skills at SC2, than just playing SC2? I'm gonna play BW or fun. I'm just saying it MIGHT help me with SC2. BW looks like fun, so I'm want to buy it and play it for fun. Some people may be like that, not sure. I was just saying BW will probably help me in SC2. I don't think it will help you in SC2 at all; it's sort of like expecting playing chess to help you get better at Go (or vice versa). But I'm glad that's not your only motivation, and I hope you get as much out of BW as you aim for. gl hf | ||
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