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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 17:31:06
July 04 2011 17:27 GMT
#21
On July 05 2011 02:20 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 02:14 mustaju wrote:
On July 05 2011 02:08 mmdmmd wrote:
On July 05 2011 01:56 Gescom wrote:
On July 05 2011 01:19 disciple wrote:
hope fantasy comes back in shape for the GF and delivers there cause how things are going all T1 underperformers will get to kiss the trophy that was won by the individual effort of one guy who had the entire team on his back for 6 rounds.

SKT won't win if Fantasy loses his match. They need him. ;(

[I just don't see Best, S2, SoO all winning together... What if Bisu loses? Oh god I'm having a heart attack...]


You have a good point there. For the longest time I am convinced that SKT got this PL in their bag. But now with news that Fantasy's performance caused him to be sent to team B, and after "successful" training. He came back with a D+ rating lost to a B class Zerg?

This is one interesting final.

Except look at the winrates of the SKT main team. n.die_soo, by.Sun or s2. Best had a good winrate for a while and if Fantasy or Ssak get back in form *shudder*. This final is as good as won for SKT, which should be proven by all other teams feeling as good as helpless when playing them. You're just looking for drama and tension where there isn't any. SKT fans have the least right to whine when their team just had 2 rounds out of 6 undefeated.

SKT got 4-0'd by CJ the last time they played a real match.

Pfft. One off game during who knows how many. SKT didn't even really try that game. Regular Proleague format is currently 2-2 between the two, but it's not like SKT didn't have a 4-1 win over CJ (Hite then) there as well.
Also a 39-15 score for SKT at the end of round 6. God.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 17:41:39
July 04 2011 17:41 GMT
#22
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
July 04 2011 17:48 GMT
#23
On July 05 2011 02:41 disciple wrote:
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...

Sun
n.die_soo
BeSt
How much more reliable do you want them? :S
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 04 2011 17:53 GMT
#24
On July 05 2011 02:48 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 02:41 disciple wrote:
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...

Sun
n.die_soo
BeSt
How much more reliable do you want them? :S


Yeah the only team with that can rival up that lineup is CJ and Khan and occasionally KT with Flash being in Godmode and Stats not sucking and Action doing his thing.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
July 04 2011 17:59 GMT
#25
On July 05 2011 02:48 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 02:41 disciple wrote:
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...

Sun
n.die_soo
BeSt
How much more reliable do you want them? :S

Yes, they've been performing very, very well in June.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 18:06:34
July 04 2011 18:05 GMT
#26
On July 05 2011 02:59 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 02:48 mustaju wrote:
On July 05 2011 02:41 disciple wrote:
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...

Sun
n.die_soo
BeSt
How much more reliable do you want them? :S

Yes, they've been performing very, very well in June.

I don't see SKT losing this. They have the most highly paid coaching team, several near unbeatable players and great snipers in addition to these. Has CJ ever even won a title?!? Or will their nerves collapse, which is a lot more likely?
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
July 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#27
On July 05 2011 03:05 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 02:59 Gescom wrote:
On July 05 2011 02:48 mustaju wrote:
On July 05 2011 02:41 disciple wrote:
soo best Sun are not nearly as reliable as the squad that won the league 2 seasons ago. SKT was unbeatable during that time with BeSt fantasy Bisu and Canata all in great shape. Now its Bisu with everyone else hoping to get their good matchups...

Sun
n.die_soo
BeSt
How much more reliable do you want them? :S

Yes, they've been performing very, very well in June.

I don't see SKT losing this. They have the most highly paid coaching team, several near unbeatable players and great snipers in addition to these. Has CJ ever even won a title?!? Or will their nerves collapse, which is a lot more likely?

Here's the last time CJ won.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/27_SKY2004_Proleague_R3

=P
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 22:34:25
July 04 2011 22:31 GMT
#28
Some of the Chinese Netizens are questioning why Fantasy only need to "Wash Dishes" for 1 week while Bisu and Best had to do it for a long time. Some are suggesting that this is another sign showing SKT's unfairness*.

*note: Bisu once complained he doesn't get enough time on individual leagues. However others quickly pointed out Fantasy never seem to have much trouble preparing, in fact, Fantasy is known to prepare very well before individual leagues.
Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam185 Posts
July 04 2011 22:49 GMT
#29
I'm guessing Fanta is the type of good in practice, choke in televised match? Like Hoejja some time ago but now he's good. Maybe he needed only 1 week because he has cleared the level already

Hopefully he got back on his feet before the individual league and play off tho
정명훈 \m/
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
July 04 2011 22:49 GMT
#30
On July 05 2011 07:31 mmdmmd wrote:
Some of the Chinese Netizens are questioning why Fantasy only need to "Wash Dishes" for 1 week while Bisu and Best had to do it for a long time. Some are suggesting that this is another sign showing SKT's unfairness*.

*note: Bisu once complained he doesn't get enough time on individual leagues. However others quickly pointed out Fantasy never seem to have much trouble preparing, in fact, Fantasy is known to prepare very well before individual leagues.

fantasy has oov to back his every step. No one else does. Yes this is favoritism.
☺
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
July 04 2011 22:54 GMT
#31
Best & Bisu went through much worse slumps before going off the A-team. (Was Bisu ever demoted to the B-team, I thought he just had various vacations to try to shake him off?)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 04 2011 22:56 GMT
#32
You know, I remember way back in April, Mustaju gave me one of the fan interview question of "Name a player to look out for in round 5 and the player that's going to underperform the most. Neither can be from your team." and I chose fantasy for the slump. Even then I didn't see it coming this badly.

Guy just lost his spirit after getting his title, it's like all the fight has gone out of him.
Remember Violet.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 04 2011 23:07 GMT
#33
On July 05 2011 07:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Guy just lost his spirit after getting his title, it's like all the fight has gone out of him.

Its alright, he was just borrowing oov's spirit anyway
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 04 2011 23:10 GMT
#34
Atleast before, even if he was taking everything from oov, he was doing it with some fervor and conviction! Now he's just a sad shell of his former self. It's like Ron Artest or something.
Remember Violet.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:15:03
July 04 2011 23:13 GMT
#35
On July 05 2011 07:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You know, I remember way back in April, Mustaju gave me one of the fan interview question of "Name a player to look out for in round 5 and the player that's going to underperform the most. Neither can be from your team." and I chose fantasy for the slump. Even then I didn't see it coming this badly.

Guy just lost his spirit after getting his title, it's like all the fight has gone out of him.


I don't think he lost his spirit personally. I think for me he is TRYING very hard to be something he isn't. He been running into Zergs a lot recently, and up until his OSL win he wasn't doing bad in the match up. Just all lately, he has been running Bio and we all know how terribad his Bio play is.

About Bisu and BeSt. Ya they went through more then just 1+ month of it. Bisu being technically the best Protoss ever, someone goes through that state, SKT probably freaked out and just took Bisu aside completely for awhile. BeSt has always slowly come out of it when it mattered for the team so I wasn't really that surprised when he started playing well again.

This is Fantasy, we all know how great he can be when he is on point. Almost Flash like if he's in that state, but he has all that other state we keep seeing. I feel like recently he's just trying to be something he isn't. I'd rather see a consistent Fantasy that won OSL, then some random Fantasy trying to be something he isn't. Boxer taught him to improve on what he was good with already. Don't change that.
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:22:09
July 04 2011 23:21 GMT
#36
oh please... 2 seasons ago Fantasy carried SKT on his back to lead them the to the play-offs and luckily best and bisu both decided to revive once we got there.

cut him some slack. I'm sure he'll be back in shape by the time we face CJ or KT in the finals.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 23:56:43
July 04 2011 23:56 GMT
#37
On July 05 2011 07:54 SimonB wrote:
Best & Bisu went through much worse slumps before going off the A-team. (Was Bisu ever demoted to the B-team, I thought he just had various vacations to try to shake him off?)


i think it was just a vacation, i could be wrong
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
July 05 2011 00:10 GMT
#38
On July 05 2011 08:21 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
oh please... 2 seasons ago Fantasy carried SKT on his back to lead them the to the play-offs and luckily best and bisu both decided to revive once we got there.

cut him some slack. I'm sure he'll be back in shape by the time we face CJ or KT in the finals.


You mean by the time you face khan. Rawr.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
July 05 2011 00:16 GMT
#39
"Remember Oov told boxer that he and Fantasy has a 100% win vZ build?" yeah its called lift all your buildings and float them to a corner of the map and hope your opponent gets bored and leaves the game. It's called the-- oh... wait...
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4200 Posts
July 05 2011 00:22 GMT
#40
Don't worry guys. You can always count on fantasy to bring his A game during a finals match.
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