EPTFantasy came back from B team (SKT CJ spoiler) - Page 3
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Dakkas
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On July 05 2011 11:14 ~ava wrote: I had no idea Fantasy was doing this badly, came as a shock to hear he'd been on the B-team for a bit. Maybe some family/life stuff is bothering him. I say r/s problem :p Stargirl any1? xD | ||
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gustavohmp
Brazil139 Posts
If SKT doesnt win Im gonna be really disappointed, even though I want them to lose. No team right now has that player that can just win every match and carry its team on the playoffs. Not Flash, not Bisu, not Jaedong if Oz had made it. That being said, SKT has the best lineup right now. Best and the zergs have all been performing good, not awesome, but good. With Bisu on the back, taking on what is left, there is now way SKT will fall. What do the other teams have in comparison? You can name a lot of good players (Bogus, Hydra, Grape, maybe Roro and Mind, from the top of my head), but none of them can actually carry their teams. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3483 Posts
You forgot Leta and Horang2 for CJ. They have a little less starpower than SKT, but arguably more depth. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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a7choi
United States1664 Posts
On July 05 2011 12:03 gustavohmp wrote: Didnt s2 nearly all-killed KT in the last finals, like, only dropping against Flash? If SKT doesnt win Im gonna be really disappointed, even though I want them to lose. No team right now has that player that can just win every match and carry its team on the playoffs. Not Flash, not Bisu, not Jaedong if Oz had made it. That being said, SKT has the best lineup right now. Best and the zergs have all been performing good, not awesome, but good. With Bisu on the back, taking on what is left, there is now way SKT will fall. What do the other teams have in comparison? You can name a lot of good players (Bogus, Hydra, Grape, maybe Roro and Mind, from the top of my head), but none of them can actually carry their teams. lol @ s2 carrying SKT. i agree that skt has the strongest lineup right now but saying that s2 is the only player that can win every match isn't right.. iirc flash 3-killed skt this year in WL. and stats all killed a few times as well. though skt's lineup is strong, s2 isn't the only player that can carry his team to victory. he did almost all kill kt but several other players have all killed this season | ||
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Sd13
Vietnam186 Posts
On July 05 2011 15:16 LuckyMacro wrote: Maybe he has a secret girlfriend...or secretly playing cellphone games with stork.. lol, the second possibility sounds so convincing, both previous OSL finalist slumping at the same time. | ||
GTR
51497 Posts
On July 05 2011 15:16 LuckyMacro wrote: Maybe he has a secret girlfriend...or secretly playing cellphone games with stork.. or doing the new firelands raids in wow. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Simplistik
2093 Posts
Fanta fighting! | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On July 05 2011 01:18 kuroshiroi wrote: Light? Reality? Bogus? Oz's new terran weapon? Motherfucking FireBatHero? Terrans are going to be fine. Edit: There are 10 terrans in the top20 elo at the moment, 6 zergs and 4 toss. I don't think terrans should be complaining. They might lose their leader for a while but they're doing much better as a whole. I was curious so I looked up the players that have gotten to the Ro4 in all of the individual leagues since 2009. Out of 48 spots, 26 were zerg, 12 were terran, 10 were protoss. There have been only two terrans who have gotten to the ro4 of any starleague in the last year who aren't either flash or fantasy. How is that doing "better as a whole"? ABC MSL:  ZerO, Jaedong, Hydra,  FlashPDPop MSL: great, ZerO, Jaedong, HydraBacchus 2010 OSL: Fantasy, Calm, Modesty,  StorkBigfile MSL: Fantasy, Light, Flash, JaedongKorean Air OSL Season 2: Jaedong, Stork, free, FlashHana Daetoo MSL: Flash, free, Jaedong, CalmKorean Air OSL Season 1: Flash, Pure, EffOrt, KalNATE MSL: Kal, Jaedong, Kwanro, FlashEVER OSL: Flash, Calm, Shine, MovieAvalon MSL: Jaedong, Calm, Iris, KwanroBacchus 2009 OSL: Fantasy, Jaedong, YellOw[ArnC], type-bLost Saga MSL: Luxury, ZerO, JangBi, Stork8 Jaedong4 Calm3 ZerO2 Hydra2 Kwanro1 EffOrt1 great1 Luxury1 Modesty1 Shine1 type-b1 YellOw[ArnC]7 Flash3 Fantasy1 Iris1 Light3 Stork2 free2 Kal1 JangBi1 Movie1 pure | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
it wouldnt surprise me if we saw a resurgence in good pvx maps, but well see. good p maps tend to be bad terran maps, where zerg is somewhere in the middle. and back on to fantasy, ive never been impressed by his play. it always showed a real lack of mechanics. i think back to the semi final with flash where he routinely was giving up big mid game leads due to failing mechanics. it is kind of the same problem leta has, though fantasy has been a lot more successful than leta. we will see if he can get it together before the finals come. even with skt pulling #1 this season i think the playoffs are still anyone's game. normally the 5/6 teams dont really have a shot, but i could see some upsets coming. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I do enjoy the Fantasy bashing here. Always did find him way too lacking for a top player. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On July 05 2011 01:14 mustaju wrote: Hmph. You, sirrah, spew bogus with thy doomsaying. bogus is decent, but i probably don't think he has what it takes to become league material. he's not really solid A class either. he's the best player on stx though. not sure if that means much atm. it just feels like flash is the only consistent terran. there are a lot of good zergs (zero, soulkey, hydra, jaedong) and protoss out there, but with terran it really feels like flash is the only decent player. there's lots of "good in proleague bad in starleague" players though like sea, leta, baby and light. there needs to be more league material terrans! i don't like any terrans right now. and what's up with everyone mentioning reality? the guy executed ONE good play against jaedong, and that was a heavily prepared build that you would expect a sniper to use in proleague. reality's fundamentals are terrible and the guy is on a 40% winrate. i will however give him credit for having a pretty badass name that creates lols when it's fantasy vs reality. On July 05 2011 17:04 baubo wrote: Edit: Pointless stuff. I do enjoy the Fantasy bashing here. Always did find him way too lacking for a top player. erm... do people realise fantasy used to be a very solid player? look at the guy's ELO peak. up until recently he was one of the best players not to have won a league. i feel the "fantasy gg timing" thread just spurred a lot of hate. fantasy may be slumping hard right now but up until recently he was THE clear number 3 after jaedong and flash. it's only bisu's revival and stork's brief period of dominance that pushed fantasy down the ranks. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On July 05 2011 16:36 esla_sol wrote: well ever since the disaster that was the 4 protoss semi msl and their subsequent sponser issues, the maps have been shifted around and tend to be anti protoss in general. some seasons better for terran, others for zerg. I am not sure about this. From what I can read. Bisu has the biggest fan base in West, China and Korea. That means EVERYWHERE. A final with Bisu is going to create THE biggest viewership ever in BW history. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On July 05 2011 17:04 baubo wrote: I do enjoy the Fantasy bashing here. Always did find him way too lacking for a top player. you have to had a really hard time during last OSL, have you? XD True Fantasy fans will never bash him, no metter he's in form or not. True SKT fans will remember his games in SPL against JD, his MSL games against Flash, his games against Stork and Bisu. That he carried his team through the darkest time, when both Bisu and Best were in deep slump. And i know he will be back. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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