EPTWhat ever happend to BlackMan???
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TunK904
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SnowFantasy
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lungo
Denmark276 Posts
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TunK904
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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SnowFantasy
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Looks like no one in that thread knows where he went either. Last I remember he was picked up by MYM. and then no one heard anything of him after that. Except for some random tournament invite (can't remember the name of the tournament though but like everyone from MYM. was invited). I'm genuinely curious now though. Where did he go? T.T | ||
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CarlMikael
Sweden1043 Posts
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7896 Posts
On April 11 2011 19:27 MyWindows wrote: Maybe a DT killed him ? lmao I just remember his game against Boxer. He was known for expanding everywhere and raping with superior macro afair. That's hardcore old school. Why not ask MYM staff? | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 11 2011 17:41 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I heard he made an ai program which plays like mc, mvp, and nestea. He's secretly practicing against them and will suddenly appear from nowhere and take over every sc2 tournament. ROFL. I had totally forgot Blackman was training against AIs he made when he didn't have internet. | ||
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shinjin
United States398 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
Wasn't he the guy that supposedly programmed ai that simulated progamer's play back in the day? If he was, I wouldn't be surprised if he continued studies or got a job related to that field or something programming related. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7896 Posts
On April 11 2011 19:44 endy wrote: ROFL. I had totally forgot Blackman was training against AIs he made when he didn't have internet. That's actually hillarious. | ||
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B.I.G.
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On April 11 2011 19:37 pinkranger15 wrote: blackman? who? can someone tell me more about his "greatness"? if i recall correctly, he was a polish zerg player who ended up as 3d in WCG 2002, right behind boxer and yellow. apart from that i dont really know just that he didnt make that big of an impact. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7896 Posts
Here he is. He was still playing in 2007; that's not so long ago. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On April 11 2011 20:09 Biff The Understudy wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/players/1370_Blackman/games Here he is. He was still playing in 2007; that's not so long ago. Yes that was the tournament I mentioned. Before that he was kind of gone already though (the earlier game was from 2 years before it). What happened after 2007 is what we want to know. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7896 Posts
That's weird, I would have thought anybody would have started to stack muta immediately when July introduced this mechanics. | ||
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
On April 11 2011 19:44 endy wrote: ROFL. I had totally forgot Blackman was training against AIs he made when he didn't have internet. hahahahahaha that is just amazing programming mc and mvp exams and destroying them as his warm up matches | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
His style was still oldschool Sauron btw, mass expo with hydraling. In that replay Dreiven spend like 30 minutes running around the map and killing expos lol. edit: not too sure but maybe it was gosugamers Koth. He played a bit on Iccup at some point too. Have a replay of him losing to goon reaver push on longinus. Haven't heard of him since. | ||
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Belegurth
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and his story was kinda sad. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
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dobrzeee
Poland71 Posts
Blackman was known for his godlike macro and excellent preparation. When there was no replays he was designing his build with stopwatch to see exact timings. There were also rumors that he had special AI to practice because he didnt have internet connection. He was forced to ride 1h by a car to the nearest city with PC bang to play starcraft. When blizzard finally introduced replays Blackman always tried to hide his practice replays and every player on polish scene was searching for replays from official tournaments and showmatches. In early years of starcraft high APM wasnt so popular and many players considered it useles. But Blackman was one of the first players with 300APM because that suited his style. At WCG 2002 he beaten many players including korean progammer Essay aka Oddysay in bo1 on highly imbalanced map Hall of Valhalla playing macro style tvz on island map! Many experts think that he was able to beat Boxer in that final game but it was bo1 on imbalanced map LT and with close spots so it was hard for Blackman to show his full potential. In Losers Final against Yellow he had no chance because his ZvZ was always lacking. Players like HOT-Forever, Chrh, NaDa and their managers proposed him to stay in Seul after WCG and play in a proleague because he really impressed them. Blackman rejected this offer because he decided to study. In WCG Poland 2003 Blackman was even stronger than year earlier but he failed to qualify because of bo1, bad zvz and that one particular cheesy game: Many players blamed Macia for that rush because everyone knew that he had no chance in normal game, but he just played to win and its not his fault that Blackman didnt manage to defend. In that WCG finals Blackman would have great chance because only good korean was ogogo. Other notable players were Elky and Grrr who all were in korean pro teams and Assem, Nazgul or ret. But the dark horse of tournament was Fisheye[pg] who won with elky and Grrr and lost in the final. After that polish eliminations we didnt hear about blackman for a while. He began to study and had new duties. But he showed up once again in WCG Poland 2005. He was hiding on fn. I didnt remember full nick but it contained word "panzer". I was even in group with him in first round of online ellimination and my good friend was the first one who recognised he is real Blackman. Starcraft evolved a lot for these two years and Blackman wasnt that good anymore. His zvz was still lacking and terrans learned to counter his super heavy macro style with good micro and timing pushes. But still his legend let the entire polish scene hope that he could repeat his succes from 2002. Unfortunetly he couldn't. He was still the one that pwned later WCG Grand Final champion - Foru in a group stage on Azalea because in macro style zvp he was perfect as always and even korean pro couldnt compete with him. But in first game of playoffs he faced Androide - another foreign legend who also was able to compete with korean pros. Androide won that match 2-0 and lost to Foru in a final to achieve second place in that event - the best from all foreigners ex equo with Fisheye. After that tournament Blackman focused on studies in Warsaw University of Technology. There was live showmatch Blackman vs Raven in one of Warsaw PC bangs won by Raven. Maybe there are still replays from that event on netwars.pl. Blackman and Raven were also crushing 2v2 ladder pgt on fast nicks. From that point Blackman never recover his great skills from past years of dominance. He was struggling to adapt to new playstyle and didnt have that much time to practice. After mentioned above contest someone made large interview with blackman covering many interesting facts from his carrier. You can read from that interview which myths about Blackman was true. But it is in polish, i can find it and translate if you like. Now Blackman is still studying in Warsaw and he will probably never be a hardcore gamer esspecially in a new game which is sc2. And thats all i know, i hope you enjoyed my wall of text  | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
Blackman was indeed known for his "godlike macro" Okay you say that to many good players, that they are a macro player or that they have a great macro. But Blackman .... was really outstanding! His macro was so great, that if you didn't pressure him he could see the whole map within a few minutes... and i really mean the WHOLE map, he spreaded his overlords like noone else and got map control super fast... I think his macro is still uncontested nowadays. If I had to compare his macro to ret's macro in sc2, I would definitely go for Blackman | ||
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Quint
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4012 Posts
On April 11 2011 21:43 dobrzeee wrote: ... And thats all i know, i hope you enjoyed my wall of text Dude great write-up and since i was following the scene for all this time and know many of the facts you mentioned it was still worth remembering ... And his style was very swarmy very solid | ||
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Asx32
Poland24 Posts
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iG.Zeep
Mexico253 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=30601 ^_^ interviews | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On April 11 2011 21:43 dobrzeee wrote: Other notable players were Elky and Grrr who all were in korean pro teams and Assem, Nazgul or ret. But the dark horse of tournament was Fisheye[pg] who won with elky and Grrr and lost in the final. Thanks man! Although I have to disagree that Fisheye was a dark horse at WCG2002, afair he beat Maynard and... someone else prior to the WCG. I cant remember, but I had 3 replays of him beating 3 top foreigners at the time (I guess that was around 1.08 with the SOA craft patch). He was still playing Terran though xD And thats all i know, i hope you enjoyed my wall of text Definitely. Thanks man €: oh, interviews, nice. Thank you, too | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
I do encourage you to watch the matches from wcg tho, if only for the awesome korn[pg] commentary... I think it's hard to say if he would still be good now, as the lvl of play was so low back then... Altho since most gosus from back then are still good now, I guess he should be as well.... Also as said before the AI thing is something that's prolly just bs (specially the way its mentioned in the wcg games hehe)  | ||
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nV[MB]
Poland58 Posts
On May 06 2011 01:32 Kaolla wrote:I think it's hard to say if he would still be good now, as the lvl of play was so low back then... Altho since most gosus from back then are still good now, I guess he should be as well.... Also as said before the AI thing is something that's prolly just bs (specially the way its mentioned in the wcg games hehe) He would still be pretty good considering he wasnt that dumb back then, and presented a strong, mechanical playstyle long before anyone actually cared about apm. Also, AI thing is true to some degree. As far as I know he did not program any kind of advanced AI algorithms, he just used map editor and various triggers to mimic the behavior of a real player, and then practiced the hell out of it. Far as im concerned he never released the maps. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
edit: nvm. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On April 11 2011 21:43 dobrzeee wrote: . Enjoyed it a lot. I remember blackman but I suspect the peak of his career was at a time when I wasn't playing/following foreign bw. | ||
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...sOrry
Canada39 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
true creator of sauran zerg styles | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
Tried Google video and couldn't find any. I love watching older games like Grrr.... | ||
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Chef
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
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dobrzeee
Poland71 Posts
Some months ago in a interview Blackman said that he played online games with top pros like Nada or Boxer and he was able to beat them many times. But on wcg when Boxer was at home with a lot of fans and familiar with televised games playing against foreigner who didnt even know what referees are talking to him and who was first time in a final of such a big event. Blackman said he didnt have any chance and that Boxer was simply better. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
http://www.facebook.com/people/Artur-Michalak/100000934464747 | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Might be one of these people. To be honest, people who refuse to evolve with the times don't have the same excuse other older pros like Boxer and Nada do :/ reminds me of this one guy on East who has been playing for 10 years, still has 80 apm and doesn't know how to stack mutas, and refuses to learn anything and talks as if he is the authority on BW over B- players and such. Joining a tourney that is serious enough to be listed in TL when you can't muta micro is ridiculous. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 07 2011 22:26 dobrzeee wrote: I dont think you know what are you talking about. Blackman was the best foreign zerg at a time, first who mastered sauron style.In 2002 the best korean zergs from that era played like yellow with low eco and heavy harass. He had a chance to stay in korea after wcg and play for pro team. I think its enough for foreigner to be considered as one of the best. Some months ago in a interview Blackman said that he played online games with top pros like Nada or Boxer and he was able to beat them many times. But on wcg when Boxer was at home with a lot of fans and familiar with televised games playing against foreigner who didnt even know what referees are talking to him and who was first time in a final of such a big event. Blackman said he didnt have any chance and that Boxer was simply better. It's very obvious that you have nationalistic bias. Although the poster you are responding to did a terrible job of making an argument, your argument in this post is not much better. Why do you think he was so good at macro and so bad in ZvZ? Well, you said it yourself - most Zergs played low-eco, heavy-aggro. By going against the metagame of the time he was more or less a gimmick player like Shine or Action. Even if Shine has the best low-tier aggression and Action has the best hive-tech ZvT, their ability to excel in their own style does not make them even close to the best. I'm not denying that he is good, but he was definitely not THE best - his play-style was too dependent on high-econ play. Also your second paragraph makes close to no sense - either he bragged first then got his ass handed to him so he started backpedaling, or someone made up the fact that he was consistently beating Boxer/Nada online, otherwise why would he say that they are "simply better"? Something to think about. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
Mynock: I see ~~. On the pictures it seemed like a pretty crowded, dark place. Knowing you though, I don't think you mind the darkness, but crowdiness? Blackman: No matter how dark it was, it never was dark too much =]. But crowdiness sux. I am a kinda loner, you know. I like my dark room. To be here alone, only with my comp =]. Mynock: Looks like your nickname is somewhat describing your nature then? Any particular reasons to choosing it? Blackman: Something like that. Except my skin I am completely black =]. Mynock: Oh ok. The vampire Blackman. Blackman: Black in everything, yeah. I'm a vampire since 200 years ago. I haven't been human for 200 years now. Mynock: I see you have a pretty elaborated role play there for you ^^. Blackman: Hehehe. Mynock: You live alone, or with parents? Blackman: With parents. With my whole nearest family. Actually my walls are all black. I mean they aren't painted black, but they look like black when I cover up my window. I hate light, you know. Vampires hate light. As well as humans. That's why I play Zerg, and rather Protoss than Terran. | ||
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hauton
Hong Kong743 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On May 08 2011 00:12 Murderotica wrote: It's very obvious that you have nationalistic bias. Although the poster you are responding to did a terrible job of making an argument, your argument in this post is not much better. Why do you think he was so good at macro and so bad in ZvZ? Well, you said it yourself - most Zergs played low-eco, heavy-aggro. By going against the metagame of the time he was more or less a gimmick player like Shine or Action. Even if Shine has the best low-tier aggression and Action has the best hive-tech ZvT, their ability to excel in their own style does not make them even close to the best. I'm not denying that he is good, but he was definitely not THE best - his play-style was too dependent on high-econ play. Also your second paragraph makes close to no sense - either he bragged first then got his ass handed to him so he started backpedaling, or someone made up the fact that he was consistently beating Boxer/Nada online, otherwise why would he say that they are "simply better"? Something to think about. The game was much less developed, there were no complete players, people excelled at different parts of the game. Otherwise Boxer couldn't have dominated the scene. Blackman was an amazing player for his time. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 08 2011 02:24 Maenander wrote: The game was much less developed, there were no complete players, people excelled at different parts of the game. Otherwise Boxer couldn't have dominated the scene. Blackman was an amazing player for his time. This is true but his career is being painted in stripes of unrivaled glory by this poster and then he backpedals his argument at the end. I'm saying that he wasn't the best by any means. | ||
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dobrzeee
Poland71 Posts
And that comparison to shine and action is wrong. Blackman wasnt zvz specialist but it dont mean he cant play it. Its pretty much the same like with Bisu's pvt, Zero's zvz, or Fanta's tvz. They all still are great players but every one of them is know for something else. | ||
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iG.Zeep
Mexico253 Posts
2nd only to Slayer lol | ||
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prolly
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On April 11 2011 21:43 dobrzeee wrote: After mentioned above contest someone made large interview with blackman covering many interesting facts from his carrier. You can read from that interview which myths about Blackman was true. But it is in polish, i can find it and translate if you like. Can you do it? PLEASE  | ||
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