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TH-GP
Profile Joined July 2004
Australia226 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 11:35:34
October 17 2004 11:00 GMT
#1
i lost a game on PGT because of the goon bug, it was 12 goons vs land of mines wif 2 tanks, i click 6 goons to move close to the tank but they got stuck and went idle, wouldn't move when i furiously clicked next to the tank and i lost all goons to 2 tanks and some vults/mines. sigh then he was able 2 push on and GG

btw topic name is "do u ever get fucked by the goon bug", 2 pissed to type properly
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 11:05:06
October 17 2004 11:04 GMT
#2
as a terran no
as a random player on 2v2 yesh
chill GP =O
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
October 17 2004 11:05 GMT
#3
yes, i've lost goons on ramps when attacking the terran block.. i dont think that's led to losing any games, just being at disadvantage

i have lost games PvP against zeal rush when i go straight goon against 2gate zeal, and one of my first few goons freeze.. very annoying when you're about to triumph with awesome micro and a bug kills you
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
October 17 2004 11:08 GMT
#4
just hit stop command and they unfreeze, but yes its very annoying
cava!
ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
October 17 2004 11:09 GMT
#5
i once had 4 goon freezes while trying to kill a gundam ;p

lets say it didnt go over well ._.
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
October 17 2004 11:10 GMT
#6
dude. hit hold position then move em again.

it sucks, but keep your cool and you can manage.
A firebat to your Zergling.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
October 17 2004 11:15 GMT
#7
once i was tyring to fend muta with goons
1 stopped moving
JAM THE FUCKER!
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
October 17 2004 11:20 GMT
#8
On October 17 2004 20:09 ApollyoN wrote:
i once had 4 goon freezes while trying to kill a gundam ;p

lets say it didnt go over well ._.


Hahhahahahah.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
October 17 2004 11:22 GMT
#9
whats really gay is that once i was chasing a SCV with my goon, scv went through my peon line and my goon tried to follow, proceeded to get stuck and like totally fuck with my probes i lost mining time + goon just kept shaking in between two lines of probes wtf... so gay
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
October 17 2004 11:24 GMT
#10
Why would it mess up with your probe mining time? Probes just go right through units when issued the mineral command
too easy
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 17 2004 11:31 GMT
#11
me vs zerius pvp

first action of the game

i attack he sucks at micro

i have 7 goon he has zero

goons wont walk up ramp?

I try like twelve times, they go to the bottom of the ramp, turn around, and start marching home

I ask zerius "Do you have dt?", thinking "He must have a dt blocking his ramp.. why else would goons not run up it" but no, goons just gay
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
October 17 2004 11:36 GMT
#12
Actually I lost a game yesterday because my dragoons just stood idle while a couple of vultures freely obliterated a significant amount of probes in my main. Very annoying.
We are vigilant.
azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
October 17 2004 11:40 GMT
#13
goons are by far the dumbest units in bw. i can't tell you how many times those damn goons idle and die to weak shit.. once.. my goon stayed idle till a single scv killed it. wtf is that?
kaz
Profile Joined October 2002
United States523 Posts
October 17 2004 12:08 GMT
#14
On October 17 2004 20:09 ApollyoN wrote:
i once had 4 goon freezes while trying to kill a gundam ;p

lets say it didnt go over well ._.


same thing happened to me. lamest unit ai ever, lamer than goliaths.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
October 17 2004 12:22 GMT
#15
More times than I want it to.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
October 17 2004 12:29 GMT
#16
plenty of times. seriously, why is the 'goon AI' so shitty? :[
Translator태양은 묘지위에 붉게 떠오르고 / 한낮에 찌는 더위는 나의 시련 일찌라!
Gandalf the Wizard
Profile Joined October 2004
United States163 Posts
October 17 2004 13:25 GMT
#17
I've noticed if you click too much for them to move it actually clogs them up even more. Also if they're clumped too much to start with. Spread them out a bit and dont overclick.
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 14:17:09
October 17 2004 14:16 GMT
#18
ive had goons freeze on me
they didnt move
or attack
until i pressed stop then i could control them plz fix blizzard
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
dalton3
Profile Joined October 2004
Spain12 Posts
October 17 2004 14:19 GMT
#19
I've experienced this BUG playing all races. It seems it suddenly occurs when huge micro involved... never when calm...
StarCraft Still Has Huge To Say...
hidiliho
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada685 Posts
October 17 2004 14:35 GMT
#20
I play terran, so no.
I have a dream, that some day I wouldn't see any imba comments in GSL threads.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 17 2004 14:39 GMT
#21
i play terran and this is such a wonderful thing lol.seing goons try to get close then stop then POP! u gotta love it
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
October 17 2004 14:56 GMT
#22
This bug absolutely sucks and I'm shocked Blizzard hasn't done anything about it. SpuniasauR having to hit stop on your goons in the middle of combat isn't a small problem, it can easily mean another round of siege tank fire on whichever ones get stuck. It's lost me a lot of games.
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
Allko
Profile Joined February 2004
China297 Posts
October 17 2004 15:39 GMT
#23
yes i got fucked by terran with Goon attack features``
Stop Playing God
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
October 17 2004 15:43 GMT
#24
nope, but once i had like 10 hydras and they ran across the map at like 5X faster than their regular speed (faster than a vulture with speed upgrade) and they exploded after a few seconds...

thats the weirdest shit i've ever seen.
Im back, in pog form!
maritini
Profile Joined October 2004
Greece121 Posts
October 17 2004 16:38 GMT
#25
lol dalton3 . I have never experienced it either but i can tell you for sure that this dragoon movement is more than annoying!
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
October 17 2004 16:40 GMT
#26
made me lose a goon to a comp once.. today in fact. then my emo glasses fell off
dnaxmen
Profile Joined July 2004
Australia124 Posts
October 17 2004 16:42 GMT
#27
it's quit common of taking place such things in broodwar, esp. goon, they look stupid and move lamely. i ve been found out there are thousands of times, goons were stuck at the entrance slope(LT map) while they were trying to attack the Terran's scv who's fixing the blocking buildings, but scv escaped.
DNA
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
October 17 2004 16:44 GMT
#28
yes i got fucked by terran with Goon attack features``


lolololololololololoo
too easy
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
October 17 2004 16:48 GMT
#29
On October 18 2004 01:40 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
made me lose a goon to a comp once.. today in fact. then my emo glasses fell off


i didnt get the joke
Im back, in pog form!
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
October 17 2004 17:12 GMT
#30
wasnt really a joke.. its the truth
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
October 17 2004 17:38 GMT
#31
Yep. You wonder if it just was the body that got destroyed in the former zealots, more like their brains...

Reasons for the almost unparalled stupidity of this unit seem to be the fire-delay (when the animation starts to play before the shot actually goes off, unlike all the other units with fairly low or no fire delay) combined with the fact that they're big-sized and take a lot of space and possibly also a glitch involving how their animation is supposed to play when moving about...

Not sure if much can be done about this unit. The AI for this unit ought to be similar for other units and that's why I think perhaps the reasons I mentioned might be the key. So to improve Goon AI you probable had to tweak fire-delay/animation or how it's motion animation plays. The unit seem to require more space than an ultralisk when on the move...
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 17 2004 17:42 GMT
#32
On October 17 2004 20:09 ApollyoN wrote:
i once had 4 goon freezes while trying to kill a gundam ;p

lets say it didnt go over well ._.

What's extra funny is how they didn't freeze all at once, just he was marching home, 1 freezes.
Then another.

Then 2 more xD
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
yuiop
Profile Joined September 2004
Lithuania10 Posts
October 17 2004 18:10 GMT
#33
^^~ I play terran too, so its even good for me
hihi
Fedaykin
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands2003 Posts
October 17 2004 18:13 GMT
#34
well, I play zerg, but I never won a game because the toss experienced the goon bug. I myself had problems with lurkers getting stuck, offcourse, but never lost a game to it.
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
October 17 2004 18:20 GMT
#35
I lost a PvT on korhal because of this, 5 goons in his main and then they go and freeze on me while im microing against vults back at home, they just stood there and got owned by 1 tank 3 vults/mines
NoCleanFeed.com
LouX
Profile Joined October 2004
China68 Posts
October 17 2004 18:25 GMT
#36
I played P sometimes but never seen such a bug..
oh, I am quite cool
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
October 17 2004 20:38 GMT
#37
yea I have been a victim of this bug too! And also, even tho they don't really freeze, I hate it when I put my goons on hold position at the terrans block and everytime they get hit by something that is out of range (siege tank) for them they stop shooting... that is so annoying sometimes. Goons have never cost me a game tho.
Hello=)
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
October 17 2004 21:07 GMT
#38
it often happens when you repeatedly tell them to attack or move. Happens a lot in TMA (: But yeah, just hit stop and they'll recover.

It happens with any unit, as far as I can tell, but most often with goons and medics for whatever reason.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
WhiZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden853 Posts
October 17 2004 21:13 GMT
#39
the most "fucked" ive got is sometimes the goon chasing the scouting scv freezes, but never in any attacks or so, just dont overcontrol the goons.. its not that hard to avoid this bug
why
S(O)ME(O)NE
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada473 Posts
October 17 2004 21:28 GMT
#40
i noticed that it happens when the unit the goons attacking moves out of range when the attack animation just starts. The fucker freezes and just stands there untill you press stop. I never knew how to get them back before so i ended up just letting them sit there and get blasted by w.e it was really annoying.
TH-GP
Profile Joined July 2004
Australia226 Posts
October 17 2004 21:44 GMT
#41
On October 18 2004 06:13 WhiZ wrote:
the most "fucked" ive got is sometimes the goon chasing the scouting scv freezes, but never in any attacks or so, just dont overcontrol the goons.. its not that hard to avoid this bug


its occured to me many times but never had it gone this bad, my opponent literally went "im so sorry" right after observing what had happened & throughout the game he apologized alot for my extreme bad luck, my 6 goons moved towards his tanks then suddenly they stopped and went into idle mode, up until this point i did not overmicro, only after this happened i clicked rapidly to get them moving again but didnt work as they were demolished by seige fire during the 4/5 seconds of idlelization.

to whomever mentioned h key, it has nothing to do with h key(the goon@ wall against scv thing), the S key would help but the time which it takes 2 react to the situation allows 1/2 shots from tanks plus xtra time allowing vults 2 lay mines close 2 goon which is what exactly happened 2 me.
TH-GP
Profile Joined July 2004
Australia226 Posts
October 17 2004 21:45 GMT
#42
On October 18 2004 06:28 S(O)ME(O)NE wrote:
i noticed that it happens when the unit the goons attacking moves out of range when the attack animation just starts. The fucker freezes and just stands there untill you press stop. I never knew how to get them back before so i ended up just letting them sit there and get blasted by w.e it was really annoying.


dat bug most ppl can get used to since u can easily switch back 2 attack mode wif h key but the bug im speaking of is a more serious 1.
yeehaw
Profile Joined October 2004
San Marino888 Posts
October 17 2004 22:01 GMT
#43
Yup, but I guess we all have to deal with it. Blizzard wouldn't release a new patch, and even if they did, just for fixing this is not worth it. As said, spamming causes this to happen more frequently, as try not to do it.
G_G
chicken`
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany3478 Posts
October 17 2004 22:11 GMT
#44
i hate the stuck-goon bug, but well, if its not against MANY tanks you can push stop hold position and move them away fast enough to avoid big damage
jeremy clarkson = god
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
October 17 2004 23:26 GMT
#45
I lost a game because of it on nGi once... I don't play protoss much but it's still fucking frustrating, cause the opponent wasn't good.

I came out with goons and saw vultures, moved them to ramp... but nothing happened. THen I got raped
HurtnTime
Profile Joined September 2002
United States296 Posts
October 17 2004 23:52 GMT
#46
i have marines and especially medics sometimes refuse to move. it is extremely annoying.
Redcloak
Profile Joined December 2002
United States530 Posts
October 18 2004 00:02 GMT
#47
That's what you get for using bm medics.
Just Some Old Man
ssregitoss
Profile Joined September 2004
Turkey241 Posts
October 18 2004 01:14 GMT
#48
always use stop command.it will fix the problem.and dont use your goons around ramp cause of the bug.if a tank hits your goons they will freeze too.
Santeria)
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada1 Post
October 18 2004 01:57 GMT
#49
People say not to overmicro the goons, but it's hard not to when you know they require constant attention or they'll go off and do something dumb. It's like when you send 3 or 4 goons to attack and you look back and two of them are doing some kind of pleasure-cruise inside of your base - singing merry songs and holding hands.

Just give them a firm spanking.
Cygnus
Profile Joined February 2004
United States851 Posts
October 18 2004 02:52 GMT
#50
god I love my flawless tanks
SonRK
Profile Joined July 2004
United States126 Posts
October 18 2004 03:04 GMT
#51
I have had Goons freeze on me before when I random on 3:3s... It's really bad =(

Being a Terran player, sometimes I find that my Marines also stop firing/moving whenever there is an important battle =(
ic-REPTILE
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden9 Posts
October 18 2004 04:48 GMT
#52
not really, no..
SChasu
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1505 Posts
October 18 2004 05:09 GMT
#53
this is a subset of my topic lol :D --v
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=19090
totalbiscuit is awful at casting.
thelucas
Profile Joined October 2004
Slovakia285 Posts
October 18 2004 05:16 GMT
#54
that makes too marines and hydras, but i dont know, if more often. It happens frequently on UMS. Do u know that bug, when u play with 12 goons and reavers. U start to attack and drop 2 reavers. And they will dance one on another and they dont shut. That is gg.
this is possibility to show what is perfection
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17058 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-18 06:51:37
October 18 2004 06:51 GMT
#55
I don't know anyone that makes lots of Dragoons vs. a Zerg? ^_^

Haha, I almost never play Protoss (unless I'm picking on hapless newbies and cannon rush the nat ledge on Bifrost T.T It's fun to win a game where you're at 18/41 supply with only a Nexus, Pylons, Cannons, and a Forge >), as I'm a Zerg player. Because of that, I've never lost more than three~ Dragoons to this bug.
Moderator
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4613 Posts
October 18 2004 07:05 GMT
#56
Christ someone has to change the name of this topic, I constantly misread it and have a heart attack. My heart stop before I can read "bug"...
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 18 2004 07:26 GMT
#57
On October 18 2004 16:05 0x64 wrote:
Christ someone has to change the name of this topic, I constantly misread it and have a heart attack. My heart stop before I can read "bug"...


LoL.

Anyway, yes, I have experienced this before. Four goons were destroyed by one single tank in a similar fashion.
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