EPTOn December 22 2010 12:16 ShadeR wrote:
And Stork finally edges out Bisu, 188 to 187. tis a good day.
And Stork finally edges out Bisu, 188 to 187. tis a good day.
It's been constantly changing throughout the day. Stork didn't just start to lead.
Best Protoss Player of the Year? - Page 7
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
It's been constantly changing throughout the day. Stork didn't just start to lead. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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weiliem
2071 Posts
 Kal has the most impressive run this year though, although i'm more of a Stork fan, i have to follow my brain instead of my heart..... | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:17 Lightwip wrote: It's been constantly changing throughout the day. Stork didn't just start to lead. Doh. On another note if Stork beat shine tonight.....will that swing anyones votes? LOL. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Not only Stork's fans vote for him, but also Bisu's anti-fans, Zerg fans, Terran fans who want to counter the Bisu's fanboys. But it is interesting to see how far the Bisu fan base can ruin the poll lol. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 22 2010 11:54 kamikami wrote: Anywhere in my post mentioning that Bisu is the best ? I said Stork is the best and explained why. I said Kal/Free is no way the best and explained why Protoss fans don't like them (look at the poll and see for yourself if they are loved by the fans lol). My post was not to argue that Bisu is the best this year (I said that he is not the best), but to counter the Zerg and Terran fans who want to claim their punching bag as the best Protoss, simply unacceptable. You seem to interpret it differently and argue about something unrelated to my post. Basically ALL of them are punching bags for Jaedong/Flash. Stork hasn't done much of worth besides beating Jaedong a few times. He got demolished by Flash just as badly as Free or Kal did. Kal and Free are massive punching bags because they actually got to the point where they were able to be punching bags, what type of stupid argument are you trying to force (pride of protoss fans in question because they can't beat Jaedong or Flash what the hell?)? Free might have been utterly demolished by Flash but he got to two Bo5s with him, something Stork never ever got to do in the whole year because he kept struggling against weaker players. The most successful protoss is without a doubt Kal, tree.hugger explained it very well why. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
On December 22 2010 06:47 danl9rm wrote: Why is everyone saying Bisu will only win because he has 'da fanboys? He has the highest win percentage out of all the contenders for the entire year. and no individual league performances compared to the top 4/multiple top 8 showings by all of his competitors also that win/loss stat is only for proleague. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:33 gen.Sun wrote: @Womwomwom ya even follow starcraft? Stork is 4-3 vs the dong this year. Basically ALL of them are punching bags for Jaedong/Flash. Stork hasn't done much of worth besides beating Jaedong a few times. He got demolished by Flash just as badly as Free or Kal did. That's the single really positive thing Stork has achieved for the whole year. If a barely positive record against Jaedong, and not much else, is enough to net you "Best Protoss of the Year", I fear for the protoss race's survival because we're aiming pretty low...we're not even talking about beating Jaedong at series matches, we're just talking about winning lone games against him. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
needs a protoss to RISE FROM THE ASHES and lead the warriors of aiur. and this stupid thread wouldnt exist and we wouldnt know how annoying toss fans can be lol | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:37 Womwomwom wrote: That's the single really positive thing Stork has achieved for the whole year. If a barely positive record against Jaedong, and not much else, is enough to net you "Best Protoss of the Year", I fear for the protoss race's survival because we're aiming pretty low...we're not even talking about beating Jaedong at series matches, we're just talking about winning lone games against him. If a protoss that gets tossed around(excuse the pun) by top players is #1, that's also bad for the protoss. That's pretty much just saying that all protoss suck so much that they can't even beat the two Lees. But honestly, except in the dragon age, protoss have always done kinda bad. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
2. Kal/Stork 4. Bisu That's just me | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:37 Womwomwom wrote: That's the single really positive thing Stork has achieved for the whole year. If a barely positive record against Jaedong, and not much else, is enough to net you "Best Protoss of the Year", I fear for the protoss race's survival because we're aiming pretty low. We're not even talking about beating Jaedong at series matches, we're just talking about winning lone games against him. If you are talking about the Kespa's award, then yes Kal will probably have it, it's based on accomplishment. But we were talking about who is actually the best , and by the best I mean who has the ability to go toe to toe against Jaedong or Flash. That's why I eliminated the punching bags, because they are incapable of having a positive record against them. There's a reason why Protoss fans put hope in Stork/Bisu and not Kal/Free lol. And you are a Zerg why the hell do you "fear for the protoss race's survival", doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 22 2010 12:50 kamikami wrote: And you are a Zerg why the hell do you "fear for the protoss race's survival", doesn't make any sense at all. Because I'm not a massive fanboy and/or Starcraft racist? Its not that hard seriously to look objectively at the results and the reasons behind the results. Stork has only been able to go toe to toe with Jaedong, which barely makes any sense in the first place. Toe to toe with Flash? Nope, he hasn't faced him as often as Free/Kal but his results are just as bad...he won a single game on Heartbreak Ridge and that was before Flash figured out how to break TvP for most of the year. Free/Stork/Kal depends on what you prioritize. If you care so much about a 4-3 record against Jaedong and absolutely nothing else, Stork is your man because its the single thing he has over the rest of them (and even then only his Match Point game was a truly phenomenal performance). | ||
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Xtal
Haiti385 Posts
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Zaxro
United States261 Posts
On December 22 2010 11:54 kamikami wrote: Anywhere in my post mentioning that Bisu is the best ? I said Stork is the best and explained why. I said Kal/Free is no way the best and explained why Protoss fans don't like them (look at the poll and see for yourself if they are loved by the fans lol). My post was not to argue that Bisu is the best this year (I said that he is not the best), but to counter the Zerg and Terran fans who want to claim their punching bag as the best Protoss, simply unacceptable. You seem to interpret it differently and argue about something unrelated to my post. You mentioned that it either Stork or Bisu was the best in an earlier post. On December 22 2010 09:50 kamikami wrote: Yeah, the favorite punching bag of Jaedong being the best Protoss of the year, how stupid of an idea. It's either Stork or Bisu, and if you are not a Protoss fan, why bother voting at all. Saying that BIsu should be higher than Kal/Free because they got beat up by Jaedong/Flash (technically you didn't mention losing to Flash but you did talk about being punching bags for Zerg/Terran which would imply Flash) when Bisu played too shit to even get a chance to get stomped is just plain dumb. That is what I was talking about in my post. Did you notice how my post talked about why Kal/Free were better this year than Bisu? Protoss fans who want to claim the guy who couldn't even get past the Ro16 as the best Protoss, simply unacceptable (this is just changing around a statement kamikami made). You seem to have completely ignored one of your earlier posts. | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Next would have to be Kal since his play style is just so solid and he has made more individual league appearences than the others when you include WCG grand final/Korea. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
I place it at: Kal/Stork Bisu Free Because I feel they all achieved so little, their achievements this yar are basically not worth mentioning in this comparison. So it comes down to quality of play. As I see it Bisu and Stork have had the most games that make you think: 'Wow! if only he could do this more often, there is clearly the potential to beat S-class players there'. But Bisu does it so rarely that Kal is beating him by sheer weight of consistency. I don't even know why free is in contention. He has been consistently meh the whole season. Good but unimpressive, people just seem to have a knack for playing like trash against him for some reason. I guess it make sense if you only look at results and not how well they are actually playing to achieve those wins but I really think free shouldn't be there. I can understand the argument for Bisu, although I think the massive inconsistency is too much for a few good games to overcome. I can't really understand free being on this list at all. | ||
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